(08-07-2014 04:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 04:17 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) issued a statement Thursday saying the NCAA's new model may warrant Congressional review from the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which he is a member.

“The NCAA should be responsible for promoting fair competition among its participating institutions and their student athletes,” Hatch said. “I am concerned that today's actions could create an uneven playing field that may prevent some institutions from being able to compete fairly with other schools that have superior resources to pay for student athletes. I also worry about how this decision will affect a school's Title IX requirements and whether this consolidation of power will restrict competition and warrant antitrust scrutiny.”



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...5-autonomy

Wait, I thought 10th Mountain said this could never happen!!! The government would never get involved!! Sounds like a carefully aimed shot across the bow. I wouldn't look for that split anytime soon 10th.

Senators will always back the P5 interests in their state he said.

Exactly.

The state of Florida will never back U_F or F_U interests over UF/FSU/Miami

Same story in every state with a P5 school.

Orrin can grandstand all he likes but there is not a majority of congress critters that will go back to their constituents and say "sorry Tide and Tiger fans but I have to look out for UABs best interests here!"

Well you know, unless they want a short remaining career in politics

I'm pretty sure the NC congressmen would be split. Only a few went to a P5 for undergrad, several in districts where G5 alumni have as large of a presence and P5.

(08-07-2014 11:12 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  The real issue I have about this proposal is the 'you don't have to be a .500 team to be in a bowl' nonsense. Oh yea great, let's tune in to watch 4-8 Purdue play 5-7 Mississippi State. That would completely eliminate any remaining prestige with going to a bowl. The players would hardly even be interested in that at this point, let alone the fans.

This is the result of our pussified "everybody gets a trophy" society. They should be raising the number of wins required to be bowl eligible, not lowering the bar even further.

Petersen voting yes to this just exposes him even more as a disingenuous fraud. Way to spit on the program that got you your cushy new job, dude!

(08-07-2014 06:10 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 11:12 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  The real issue I have about this proposal is the 'you don't have to be a .500 team to be in a bowl' nonsense. Oh yea great, let's tune in to watch 4-8 Purdue play 5-7 Mississippi State. That would completely eliminate any remaining prestige with going to a bowl. The players would hardly even be interested in that at this point, let alone the fans.

This is the result of our pussified "everybody gets a trophy" society. They should be raising the number of wins required to be bowl eligible, not lowering the bar even further.

I agree, that's why scholie limits need to go. This whole level the playing field is bogus. Earn it on the recruiting trail.

You don't need a majority of Senators against you to cause severe problems on your issues.

Again I hate to sound like the bad guy. But right now programs like FIU or UAB have absolutely zero business playing in the same division as schools like Alabama. At the same time IMO schools like BYU or Cincinnati also have no business playing in the same division as schools like FIU.

A lot of G5 schools should be playing in FCS right now and there is not really a debate about that. That's why I think we need to have a purge that allows one 16 team G5 conference to remain in FBS.


(East 8)
USF, UCF, ECU, Navy, Cincinnati, Uconn, NIU, Tulane

(West 8)
Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Fresno, Hawaii, BYU, SDSU

Then require this conference to play a maximum of 7 conference games and 5 vs P5 teams.

(08-07-2014 12:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The bowls would want (and probably get) the option, but not the obligation, to take sub-.500 teams. They might be very happy to use any excuse to not take P5 teams with smaller fanbases, while still opening their doors to the biggest fanbases regardless of record.

The moment that happens... EVERY bowl comes under tax-investigation. It's the college bowls that MANY schools use for future recruits.

You think those colleges are going to be happy losing that?

Yeah, let's just make the divide even BIGGER...

(08-07-2014 06:19 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Again I hate to sound like the bad guy. But right now programs like FIU or UAB have absolutely zero business playing in the same division as schools like Alabama. At the same time IMO schools like BYU or Cincinnati also have no business playing in the same division as schools like FIU.

A lot of G5 schools should be playing in FCS right now and there is not really a debate about that. That's why I think we need to have a purge that allows one 16 team G5 conference to remain in FBS.


(East 8)
USF, UCF, ECU, Navy, Cincinnati, Uconn, NIU, Tulane

(West 8)
Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Fresno, Hawaii, BYU, SDSU

Then require this conference to play a maximum of 7 conference games and 5 vs P5 teams.

NIU? They get like 19k per game. No thanks.

(08-07-2014 06:19 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Again I hate to sound like the bad guy. But right now programs like FIU or UAB have absolutely zero business playing in the same division as schools like Alabama. At the same time IMO schools like BYU or Cincinnati also have no business playing in the same division as schools like FIU.

A lot of G5 schools should be playing in FCS right now and there is not really a debate about that. That's why I think we need to have a purge that allows one 16 team G5 conference to remain in FBS.


(East 8)
USF, UCF, ECU, Navy, Cincinnati, Uconn, NIU, Tulane

(West 8)
Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Fresno, Hawaii, BYU, SDSU

Then require this conference to play a maximum of 7 conference games and 5 vs P5 teams.

I am confused. Why would the g5 conference need to be required to play 5 p5 teams. It does not prove anything. By and large, the overwhelming majority of p5 teams are equal or inferior to the teams you mention. Look at the ACC. After Clemson and FSU, what do you got. ECU last year beat NC, NC state and nearly tech. I know Cincy has beaten Tech and NC state in recent years. Last year, the AAC champ beat the P5 Big 12 champ in the Fiesta.

At most, there are only about 6 dominant teams every year and 20 good teams. The good teams can sometimes beat the dominant teams. The group (new conference) you mention are all good teams.

I will tell ya right now this is pure propaganda meant to influence things happening behind the scenes. Autonomy as it is now is just the start, a first step. The Majors aren't done grabbing.

(08-07-2014 05:08 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 04:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 04:17 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) issued a statement Thursday saying the NCAA's new model may warrant Congressional review from the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which he is a member.

“The NCAA should be responsible for promoting fair competition among its participating institutions and their student athletes,” Hatch said. “I am concerned that today's actions could create an uneven playing field that may prevent some institutions from being able to compete fairly with other schools that have superior resources to pay for student athletes. I also worry about how this decision will affect a school's Title IX requirements and whether this consolidation of power will restrict competition and warrant antitrust scrutiny.”



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...5-autonomy

Wait, I thought 10th Mountain said this could never happen!!! The government would never get involved!! Sounds like a carefully aimed shot across the bow. I wouldn't look for that split anytime soon 10th.

Senators will always back the P5 interests in their state he said.

Just because a Senator or Representative makes a grand statement, that doesn't mean something will actually happen. Folks should know that about their government already.

When some of us state that Congress wont do anything about it, we are talking about ACTUAL ACTION not just words.

(08-07-2014 07:24 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 05:08 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 04:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 04:17 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) issued a statement Thursday saying the NCAA's new model may warrant Congressional review from the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which he is a member.

“The NCAA should be responsible for promoting fair competition among its participating institutions and their student athletes,” Hatch said. “I am concerned that today's actions could create an uneven playing field that may prevent some institutions from being able to compete fairly with other schools that have superior resources to pay for student athletes. I also worry about how this decision will affect a school's Title IX requirements and whether this consolidation of power will restrict competition and warrant antitrust scrutiny.”



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...5-autonomy

Wait, I thought 10th Mountain said this could never happen!!! The government would never get involved!! Sounds like a carefully aimed shot across the bow. I wouldn't look for that split anytime soon 10th.

Senators will always back the P5 interests in their state he said.

Just because a Senator or Representative makes a grand statement, that doesn't mean something will actually happen. Folks should know that about their government already.

When some of us state that Congress wont do anything about it, we are talking about ACTUAL ACTION not just words.

Some posters were very clear in their opinion that the politicians would stay far away from the issue. Very clear. I'm just enjoying that they are already wrong.

Nobody actually knows if it will go anywhere or not.

(08-07-2014 06:09 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  I'm pretty sure the NC congressmen would be split. Only a few went to a P5 for undergrad, several in districts where G5 alumni have as large of a presence and P5.

A split does you no good because even if it is a 50/50 split, and it's not going to be, you have eleven states where there are no G5 schools to split the vote.

Orrin Hatch's interest is ensuring that his alma mater of BYU ends up in the Big 12 if/when it expands, just as his interest in the college football postseason a few years ago was solely about the treatment of then-non-AQ Utah.

Only problem with P5 only schedules is there are only so many bad P5's to go around. Scheduling this way will show which conferences are strongest. I suspect the PAC 12 will show how weak it is if this happens.

(08-07-2014 08:12 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Orrin Hatch's interest is ensuring that his alma mater of BYU ends up in the Big 12 if/when it expands, just as his interest in the college football postseason a few years ago was solely about the treatment of then-non-AQ Utah.

Ahhh yes, I was thinking that perhaps his interest was for BYU but I didn't realize it was his alma mater. That says it all. If he was able to make much headway, he wouldn't be crying from the top of the hill to try and gain support.

(08-07-2014 08:15 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Only problem with P5 only schedules is there are only so many bad P5's to go around. Scheduling this way will show which conferences are strongest. I suspect the PAC 12 will show how weak it is if this happens.

It will never actually happen, it is just a propagandic threat. Now, when there becomes a conglomerate conference at the top of the mid majors then some P5's may be able to just play those schools and other P5's.

(08-07-2014 02:23 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 11:12 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  The real issue I have about this proposal is the 'you don't have to be a .500 team to be in a bowl' nonsense. Oh yea great, let's tune in to watch 4-8 Purdue play 5-7 Mississippi State. That would completely eliminate any remaining prestige with going to a bowl. The players would hardly even be interested in that at this point, let alone the fans.

This ^^^

Don't care who the teams are, but no way in the world will I ever watch a 4-8 vs 5-7 bowl game... That will be the most unwatchable horrible boring bowl game ever if ever took place... Yikes, just thinking about it

this shows the true cowardice of the P5.

The P5 thinks that if a team plays 12 games vs opponents that have similar to superior financial resources it is unfair to require that team to win 6 games to earn a bowl bid.

And yet every year the G5 must play 12 games vs opponents with similar to superior financial resources knowing that winning 6 games won't be enough to get a bowl bid, and sometimes winning 8 or 9 games isn't even enough.

The P5 are COWARDS.

(08-07-2014 03:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  There are 75 teams with hundreds of lawyers at their finger tips just itching to jump into lawsuit city and Congressional oversight if they ever REALLY tried to pull this.

Autonomy makes a split unlikely, because it's obvious the P5 prefer to get their way within the structure of the NCAA than outside of it, and it looks like that is just what has happened.

That said, there is little reason to think that if the P5 did leave the NCAA or decided to play only other P5 that G5 lawsuits would have any merit and advance very far or that Congress would mobilize against the biggest schools in the country.