Teddy greensteines piece presents a pretty brutal outlook for NIU and non power 5 schools...basically the power 5 can "pay" their players while the other schools will toil away? I dot understand why the NCAA would allow self governance to those schools but not the entire NCAA, isn't there some king of legality issue here with the bias against the non 5? How f*ckin annoying, right in the golden era of our program


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(08-08-2014 07:23 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Teddy greensteines piece presents a pretty brutal outlook for NIU and non power 5 schools...basically the power 5 can "pay" their players while the other schools will toil away? I dot understand why the NCAA would allow self governance to those schools but not the entire NCAA, isn't there some king of legality issue here with the bias against the non 5? How f*ckin annoying, right in the golden era of our program


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P5 schools have had "first pick" most of the time anyway for years, and we've still built great teams. The Illini can pay $500k/yer per player if they want, they can still only recruit so many and the rest are up for grabs.

I think the biggest concern is the borderline players that NIU has successfully recruited. It will be a tougher to win those recruiting battles if they can go to a P5 bottomfeeder and get paid.

I bet they Wish they could get rid of Title IX. Damn that government of ours.

F you power 5, F you...

(08-08-2014 07:23 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Teddy greensteines piece presents a pretty brutal outlook for NIU and non power 5 schools...basically the power 5 can "pay" their players while the other schools will toil away? I dot understand why the NCAA would allow self governance to those schools but not the entire NCAA, isn't there some king of legality issue here with the bias against the non 5? How f*ckin annoying, right in the golden era of our program


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Coming from the guy that thought NW had a good shot of winning the Big Ten last year. He's another big conference/big ten homer.

It certainly could be bad...however, let's try and look at a bright side...if we could follow suit and afford the changes the Power 5 are making at NIU/MAC, we may start to distance ourselves from other mid-majors.

(08-08-2014 12:48 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 07:23 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Teddy greensteines piece presents a pretty brutal outlook for NIU and non power 5 schools...basically the power 5 can "pay" their players while the other schools will toil away? I dot understand why the NCAA would allow self governance to those schools but not the entire NCAA, isn't there some king of legality issue here with the bias against the non 5? How f*ckin annoying, right in the golden era of our program


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Coming from the guy that thought NW had a good shot of winning the Big Ten last year. He's another big conference/big ten homer.

For Greenstein, there is no college football outside of the B10 and the P5.

Boers and Bernstein discussing this now...saying that Basketball will prevent this from happening as the whole interest in the tournament centers around Cinderellas and america needs that story...

(08-07-2014 08:12 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Some of the quotes by the people from the big 5 schools are hilarious. They are worried about SOS, getting "the best teams" in the playoff. Plain and simple

- B10 will do whatever to get a team in every year. SEC is naïve and things they will get 2 in every years. Wait til the complain who is getting in. Then it goes to 8, with 5 autos. Then they will complain more. Success at the top will cause dissention.

-The teams in the lower 2/3, moreover lower 1/3 who never have a chance are laughing their rears off at the 10's of millions they will get per year. There is only so much money you can spend on resources, improvements. Within a few years, they will have schools at the bottom move up. Field becomes more even. Now everyone will lose a game+. This is where the scheduling comes in. They will say whoa, maybe we do need "cupcake" games, do need the FBS. That's when the FBS Starts to get a bigger share.

-Obviously the inevitable comes next: paying players. They will be making so much money, nothing to do with it. Again, only so many seats, weights, facilities. They will make it so big boys will have ability to pay more. Heck they have more money. If you are going to pay kids legally, you know they will be giving them more illegally. Can only imagine outcry when kids don't produce. You will see exponentially more kids losing scholarships, more kids transfer with the guarantee of staring. Good luck with that NCAA. Let the schools make their own rules. Hmm, sound familiar? Let those with all the money and power make the rules.

They will destroy the game within 2-3 decades and none will be around so they won't care. It will basically become minor leagues.

They will destroy themselves, their product like NASCAR did.

Worried about SOS???? Do they not realize that if everyone has to play P5 teams that the entire SOS equation would be completely recalibrated??? The whole basis of SOS is taking your opponents records into place as well as their SOS which takes their opponents SOS, etc etc.. Regardless of the system their is going to be a top and a bottom, its not like if they only play P5 teams everyone is going to all of a sudden have an increased SOS... Some teams are simply now going to go 0-11 instead of 3-8...

This is all about $$$.. Powerhouse teams are saying we want to play only big time OOC matchups but we arent going to because nobody else is doing it - unless they are required to do it so it obviously leaves us at a disadvantage for championship/playoff run if we choose to schedule like that. BUT if everyone was required to do it we would not be at a disadvantage and could bring in millions and millions of extra dollars per year with these matchups. Simple as that.

The reason the ncaa allowed this is because if they didn't then the power 5 would leave the ncaa, and the ncaa would lose a ton of money

(08-08-2014 01:59 PM)huskies12345 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 08:12 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Some of the quotes by the people from the big 5 schools are hilarious. They are worried about SOS, getting "the best teams" in the playoff. Plain and simple

- B10 will do whatever to get a team in every year. SEC is naïve and things they will get 2 in every years. Wait til the complain who is getting in. Then it goes to 8, with 5 autos. Then they will complain more. Success at the top will cause dissention.

-The teams in the lower 2/3, moreover lower 1/3 who never have a chance are laughing their rears off at the 10's of millions they will get per year. There is only so much money you can spend on resources, improvements. Within a few years, they will have schools at the bottom move up. Field becomes more even. Now everyone will lose a game+. This is where the scheduling comes in. They will say whoa, maybe we do need "cupcake" games, do need the FBS. That's when the FBS Starts to get a bigger share.

-Obviously the inevitable comes next: paying players. They will be making so much money, nothing to do with it. Again, only so many seats, weights, facilities. They will make it so big boys will have ability to pay more. Heck they have more money. If you are going to pay kids legally, you know they will be giving them more illegally. Can only imagine outcry when kids don't produce. You will see exponentially more kids losing scholarships, more kids transfer with the guarantee of staring. Good luck with that NCAA. Let the schools make their own rules. Hmm, sound familiar? Let those with all the money and power make the rules.

They will destroy the game within 2-3 decades and none will be around so they won't care. It will basically become minor leagues.

They will destroy themselves, their product like NASCAR did.

Worried about SOS???? Do they not realize that if everyone has to play P5 teams that the entire SOS equation would be completely recalibrated??? The whole basis of SOS is taking your opponents records into place as well as their SOS which takes their opponents SOS, etc etc.. Regardless of the system their is going to be a top and a bottom, its not like if they only play P5 teams everyone is going to all of a sudden have an increased SOS... Some teams are simply now going to go 0-11 instead of 3-8...

This is all about $$$.. Powerhouse teams are saying we want to play only big time OOC matchups but we arent going to because nobody else is doing it - unless they are required to do it so it obviously leaves us at a disadvantage for championship/playoff run if we choose to schedule like that. BUT if everyone was required to do it we would not be at a disadvantage and could bring in millions and millions of extra dollars per year with these matchups. Simple as that.

+1

So, the powerhouse teams want more money, but what happens when those not quite powerhouse teams that go 8-4, suddenly have to play more challenging games and go 5-7 and don't make a bowl, because losing records can't make bowl games. Do they reduce the number of bowl games? Or, do they let teams with losing records in bowls? Is it that every one of the P5 teams get into a bowl, and the G5 is shut out? Who want's to see a 3-9 Indiana play a 2-10 Vandy in some bowl game? That doesn't seem to reward anyone except the city hosting the bowl getting some people to town in the dead of winter.

I don't know how this is going to shake out, but it could be make or break for the Huskies. I.E. we put a ton of money into Huskie Stadium and then we don't get out of the MAC, we now have a 30 thousand seat stadium that we can't fill 80% of the time, because no one wants to see us beat EMU 48-3

(08-08-2014 02:24 PM)UnknownScout Wrote:  So, the powerhouse teams want more money, but what happens when those not quite powerhouse teams that go 8-4, suddenly have to play more challenging games and go 5-7 and don't make a bowl, because losing records can't make bowl games. Do they reduce the number of bowl games? Or, do they let teams with losing records in bowls? Is it that every one of the P5 teams get into a bowl, and the G5 is shut out? Who want's to see a 3-9 Indiana play a 2-10 Vandy in some bowl game? That doesn't seem to reward anyone except the city hosting the bowl getting some people to town in the dead of winter.

I don't know how this is going to shake out, but it could be make or break for the Huskies. I.E. we put a ton of money into Huskie Stadium and then we don't get out of the MAC, we now have a 30 thousand seat stadium that we can't fill 80% of the time, because no one wants to see us beat EMU 48-3

they actually already came out and said that under their preferred scheduling of only P5 teams the 6 win requirement for a bowl game would go away. stupid IMO as you should just get rid of bowl games instead of having 3 win teams in a bowl.. but again, about $$$

(08-08-2014 02:11 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  The reason the ncaa allowed this is because if they didn't then the power 5 would leave the ncaa, and the ncaa would lose a ton of money

The NCAA is still going to lose a ton of money because those P5 schools will agree to a new distribution formula that will allow them to keep more of their money to theoretically apply it to the students. I say theoretically because it's just like the stipends......considering the money they're making from tickets, concessions, parking and especially TV contracts, those stipends are a drop in the bucket for them.

(08-08-2014 02:24 PM)UnknownScout Wrote:  So, the powerhouse teams want more money, but what happens when those not quite powerhouse teams that go 8-4, suddenly have to play more challenging games and go 5-7 and don't make a bowl, because losing records can't make bowl games. Do they reduce the number of bowl games? Or, do they let teams with losing records in bowls? Is it that every one of the P5 teams get into a bowl, and the G5 is shut out? Who want's to see a 3-9 Indiana play a 2-10 Vandy in some bowl game? That doesn't seem to reward anyone except the city hosting the bowl getting some people to town in the dead of winter.

You won't have a 3-9 Indiana play a 2-10 Vandy because the biggest bowls with the biggest payouts will cut new deals with the P5 programs to match up their top teams. What won't happen is seeing a Boise State-Oklahoma, NIU-Florida State type match-up because the next level (non-P5) will only get to have their best play the best of others from their level.
Guys, the whole thing is predicated on the P5s setting up a new structure which means the old rules (minimum six wins, etc.) will no longer apply. They and only they will be drawing up the standards for them to abide by.....or creating the loopholes they can exploit to keep distancing themselves from everyone else.
Someone in the mainstream media needs to detail who exactly votes in the NCAA, because it's not one institution, one vote. NIU, for example has 1/12th of a vote, because the MAC gets one vote same as Sun Belt, Big West, etc. The P5s do not want any schools, especially those without football -- Marquette, Georgetown, DePaul, etc. -- being allowed to tell them what they can or cannot do.

Armour, basketball is the chosen sport of most universities in ILLINOIS. NIU already has a power conference basketball stadium. When NIU starts to win people will come and what maddog is saying wont seem so silly. NIU has the budget to be very competitive as a basketball school, but its heart is in ftball. The problem is to be one of the big boys in ftball it cost a lot more than bball!

(08-08-2014 12:44 PM)NIU8484 Wrote:  F you power 5, F you...

This animation made my day lmao!! Where is this from

Hmm, the sky may be falling.

NCAA Power 5 Autonomy: Disaster in the Making

(08-08-2014 06:18 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Armour, basketball is the chosen sport of most universities in ILLINOIS. NIU already has a power conference basketball stadium. When NIU starts to win people will come and what maddog is saying wont seem so silly. NIU has the budget to be very competitive as a basketball school, but its heart is in ftball. The problem is to be one of the big boys in ftball it cost a lot more than bball!

I'm not talking about most universities in Illinois. NIU isn't going to take funding away from football and put it into basketball.

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