(08-07-2014 01:32 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 12:00 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  newsome had some scary stats, 4 thousand yards in 1 season is unreal, that is scary (#1 in the nation)

but im hoping he tripped when they were measuring his 40 ...
his 40 speed would have him slower than half the Dline in our league, he ran a 4.9
ill wait till i see him on the field and hold my reservation on him

Problem is that CT HS FB is awful.

Problem is that you don't think before you type. Newsome has put up some crazy numbers. In a state like PA, where there is more HS talent, his numbers may not have been as huge, but they still would have been scary good.

To say that an athlete is entirely overrated just because he comes from a state that isn't a "recruiting hotbed state" is fairly uninformed.

Easy for you to say. He put up crazy numbers because he's going against poor talent. He doesn't even play against the highest classification schools in CT. 683 enrollment? I didn't even go to a big high school, and my class alone had over 400.

You do realize that sometimes a guy was just born with good genes for sports, right? By your logic, if Archie Manning and his wife moved to Connecticut to give birth to Peyton Manning and send him to school, then Peyton would have absolutely no football ability merely because he was playing against CT HS football competition.

No it would just mean that whatever numbers he put up in CT wouldn't be as meaningful from a practical stand point. It would also mean that his development would be stymied by a lack of competition. That's not to say that great players can't come from less competitive environments but playing against other good players is the best way to improve and to measure your capabilities.

CT High School football is probably better than many of you think but it's not to be confused with the most competitive in the nation. Jeez. All these pages of back and forth over nothing. CT has produced some greats like Dwight Freeney, Andew Pinnock, and Latroy Oliver just to name a few Hartford area guys. Hopefully Arkeel will be among the best that CT HS football has produced.

(08-07-2014 01:47 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  No it would just mean that whatever numbers he put up in CT wouldn't be as meaningful from a practical stand point. It would also mean that his development would be stymied by a lack of competition. That's not to say that great players can't come from less competitive environments but playing against other good players is the best way to improve and to measure your capabilities.

I'm not sure why that's so difficult for him to understand.

To use another sport as an example, Temple's center is only the second player in the history of high school basketball to record 1,000 points, rebounds, and blocks. He was in Sports Illustrated. You would think someone who dominated (the lowest level of competition in PA) would put up really good numbers in college. His average last year: 2.5 points, 3.7 rebounds, 1.1 blocks per game.

(08-07-2014 01:47 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  No it would just mean that whatever numbers he put up in CT wouldn't be as meaningful from a practical stand point. It would also mean that his development would be stymied by a lack of competition. That's not to say that great players can't come from less competitive environments but playing against other good players is the best way to improve and to measure your capabilities.

The thing is, though, that it works both ways. A lot of time, you have southern guys that are touted as 3 star and 4 star guys merely because they played in the south against competition that was "supposedly" superior. However, the quality of competition is really dependent on the quality of particular HS football conference that you are in and less on the state. Sure, southern states (and some mid-Atlantic states) probably have "more" quality HS football conferences than northern states. However, a decent percentage of these conferences are no better than their northern counterparts.

UConn has a solid history of having home grown players (2 stars or less) who were totally able to SCHOOL their southern (and mid-Atlantic) bred 3 star and 4 star competition in individual matchups in games. All this means is that the southern players were overrated and the northern players were underrated. A lot of it boils down to hard work. Underrated guys work hard and try to earn a starting role. Overrated guys can get lazy and get exposed.

Either way, the AAC will find out how good Newsome is over the next few years. I have a feeling that you all may change your view of CT HS football talent when Newsome is ramming the ball down your team's throat.

(08-07-2014 02:03 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 01:47 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  No it would just mean that whatever numbers he put up in CT wouldn't be as meaningful from a practical stand point. It would also mean that his development would be stymied by a lack of competition. That's not to say that great players can't come from less competitive environments but playing against other good players is the best way to improve and to measure your capabilities.

I'm not sure why that's so difficult for him to understand.

To use another sport as an example, Temple's center is only the second player in the history of high school basketball to record 1,000 points, rebounds, and blocks. He was in Sports Illustrated. You would think someone who dominated (the lowest level of competition in PA) would put up really good numbers in college. His average last year: 2.5 points, 3.7 rebounds, 1.1 blocks per game.

That is an example based on something that has already occurred and is in an entirely different sport. Newsome hasn't played a single down yet, so you can't cast judgment on the guy! He could be great or he could be terrible. However, just because he is from CT doesn't make him destined to fail in football! His stats indicate that he "has the potential" to be "above average" at the college level.

I am questioning your IQ. Just because a player's numbers may be "way way WAY" above average due to playing in CT, it doesn't automatically dictate that they would be bad if he played down south. They could still be just "way way" above average or simply "way" above average. It doesn't mean that they would be average or below average.

Just as the academic quality of the institutions that UConn calls its conference mates has decreased, so has the level of logic in the posts here. Jesus people!

NOTE: This isn't aimed at ECBrad. His comment was logical. JHG722 is the person I am questioning here.

(08-07-2014 02:04 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 01:47 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  No it would just mean that whatever numbers he put up in CT wouldn't be as meaningful from a practical stand point. It would also mean that his development would be stymied by a lack of competition. That's not to say that great players can't come from less competitive environments but playing against other good players is the best way to improve and to measure your capabilities.

The thing is, though, that it works both ways. A lot of time, you have southern guys that are touted as 3 star and 4 star guys merely because they played in the south against competition that was "supposedly" superior. However, the quality of competition is really dependent on the quality of particular HS football conference that you are in and less on the state. Sure, southern states (and some mid-Atlantic states) probably have "more" quality HS football conferences than northern states. However, a decent percentage of these conferences are no better than their northern counterparts.

UConn has a solid history of having home grown players (2 stars or less) who were totally able to SCHOOL their southern (and mid-Atlantic) bred 3 star and 4 star competition in individual matchups in games. All this means is that the southern players were overrated and the northern players were underrated. A lot of it boils down to hard work. Underrated guys work hard and try to earn a starting role. Overrated guys can get lazy and get exposed.

Either way, the AAC will find out how good Newsome is over the next few years. I have a feeling that you all may change your view of CT HS football talent when Newsome is ramming the ball down your team's throat.

Based on the website you provided a similar population in the south provides 2x the NFL players not 2x the CFB players so it stands to reason that they actually are better and it has nothing to do with rivals.com or whatever you're trying to say here.

I'm also not trying to say that he's bad or that CT players are bad I'm just saying it is easy to get excited about something that taken in context might not mean all that much.

(08-07-2014 02:18 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  I'm also not trying to say that he's bad or that CT players are bad I'm just saying it is easy to get excited about something that taken in context might not mean all that much.

I think his point is that taken in any context, the kid has talent. CT puts a decent amount of guys in the NFL. We're like 1/5 the size of NY and half of MA and our numbers are close to NY and more than MA.

Let me rephrase the argument then. If somebody going to HS in MA put up those kind of numbers would you be impressed or would you say "well that's just because he's playing in MA." That's the perspective that others are expressing. It's not an illegitimate sentiment either because even the author of the article linked acknowledges it saying

"I don't care what you say about the level of competition in Connecticut, his career numbers are INSANE."

This implies that CT football isn't the best but the numbers are just so good that it doesn't factor into how good this player is. UConnHusky is saying that it isn't even an argument to make when clearly even his own sources (HS to NFL) don't bear out his logic.

(08-07-2014 01:32 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 12:00 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  newsome had some scary stats, 4 thousand yards in 1 season is unreal, that is scary (#1 in the nation)

but im hoping he tripped when they were measuring his 40 ...
his 40 speed would have him slower than half the Dline in our league, he ran a 4.9
ill wait till i see him on the field and hold my reservation on him

Problem is that CT HS FB is awful.

Problem is that you don't think before you type. Newsome has put up some crazy numbers. In a state like PA, where there is more HS talent, his numbers may not have been as huge, but they still would have been scary good.

To say that an athlete is entirely overrated just because he comes from a state that isn't a "recruiting hotbed state" is fairly uninformed.

Easy for you to say. He put up crazy numbers because he's going against poor talent. He doesn't even play against the highest classification schools in CT. 683 enrollment? I didn't even go to a big high school, and my class alone had over 400.

The kid who went to FSU and was drafted in the 1st round went to a school that had an enrollment of about 200.

(08-07-2014 02:39 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  Let me rephrase the argument then. If somebody going to HS in MA put up those kind of numbers would you be impressed or would you say "well that's just because he's playing in MA." That's the perspective that others are expressing. It's not an illegitimate sentiment either because even the author of the article linked acknowledges it saying

"I don't care what you say about the level of competition in Connecticut, his career numbers are INSANE."

This implies that CT football isn't the best but the numbers are just so good that it doesn't factor into how good this player is. UConnHusky is saying that it isn't even an argument to make when clearly even his own sources (HS to NFL) don't bear out his logic.

No, we're saying that assuming that a player isn't any good because you're judging him merely on where he played high school ball is myopic.

(08-07-2014 02:02 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  CT High School football is probably better than many of you think but it's not to be confused with the most competitive in the nation. Jeez. All these pages of back and forth over nothing. CT has produced some greats like Dwight Freeney, Andew Pinnock, and Latroy Oliver just to name a few Hartford area guys. Hopefully Arkeel will be among the best that CT HS football has produced.

I was friends with his mom when I lived in CT and Andrew was still in grade school. He was such a hard working kid!

(08-07-2014 02:47 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 02:02 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  CT High School football is probably better than many of you think but it's not to be confused with the most competitive in the nation. Jeez. All these pages of back and forth over nothing. CT has produced some greats like Dwight Freeney, Andew Pinnock, and Latroy Oliver just to name a few Hartford area guys. Hopefully Arkeel will be among the best that CT HS football has produced.

I was friends with his mom when I lived in CT and Andrew was still in grade school. He was such a hard working kid!

Cool, I was in high school at the same time as those guys and my wife went to school with both Dwight and Andrew. Andrew is back in CT now, I think he runs some camps and stuff.

(08-07-2014 02:43 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 01:32 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 12:00 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  newsome had some scary stats, 4 thousand yards in 1 season is unreal, that is scary (#1 in the nation)

but im hoping he tripped when they were measuring his 40 ...
his 40 speed would have him slower than half the Dline in our league, he ran a 4.9
ill wait till i see him on the field and hold my reservation on him

Problem is that CT HS FB is awful.

Problem is that you don't think before you type. Newsome has put up some crazy numbers. In a state like PA, where there is more HS talent, his numbers may not have been as huge, but they still would have been scary good.

To say that an athlete is entirely overrated just because he comes from a state that isn't a "recruiting hotbed state" is fairly uninformed.

Easy for you to say. He put up crazy numbers because he's going against poor talent. He doesn't even play against the highest classification schools in CT. 683 enrollment? I didn't even go to a big high school, and my class alone had over 400.

The kid who went to FSU and was drafted in the 1st round went to a school that had an enrollment of about 200.

I was at FSU last year. I know who Bjoern Werner is.

Steve Young played for Greenwich.