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Spin Room Presidential Poll - Special Okie Edition Part 2
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Spin Room Presidential Poll - Special Okie Edition Part 2
Now to find out who the swing voters are. For this scenario, we walk it back to 2012.
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This is the GTS addition. I already made my point.
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I think I left the ballot blank in 2012.
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(08-06-2014 12:47 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This is the GTS addition. I already made my point.

Reagan skimmed about half the Paul votes. Now I want to see how people shift from that poll to this poll. I want to see where the Clinton votes go and how much the GOP loses with Mittens.

Also:

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My vote actually changed..

In the first I voted Ron Paul. I liked the guy. I think he had some good ideas.

This one, I voted for Romney. Again, I like the guy. I think he has some good ideas.

I'd voted for Reagan in the first one, but I was a youngen when he was president and can only verify what he done via history books.
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(08-06-2014 12:51 PM)gdunn Wrote:  My vote actually changed..

In the first I voted Ron Paul. I liked the guy. I think he had some good ideas.

This one, I voted for Romney. Again, I like the guy. I think he has some good ideas.

I'd voted for Reagan in the first one, but I was a youngen when he was president and can only verify what he done via history books.

Yea, I remember you being one of two people on this board who were for Ron Paul but oddly not Gary Johnson.
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(08-06-2014 12:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 12:47 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This is the GTS addition. I already made my point.

Reagan skimmed about half the Paul votes. Now I want to see how people shift from that poll to this poll. I want to see where the Clinton votes go and how much the GOP loses with Mittens.

Also:

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That's fine, but it's not "my addition."
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(08-06-2014 12:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 12:51 PM)gdunn Wrote:  My vote actually changed..

In the first I voted Ron Paul. I liked the guy. I think he had some good ideas.

This one, I voted for Romney. Again, I like the guy. I think he has some good ideas.

I'd voted for Reagan in the first one, but I was a youngen when he was president and can only verify what he done via history books.

Yea, I remember you being one of two people on this board who were for Ron Paul but oddly not Gary Johnson.

And good reason for that. Up until maybe 2 weeks before the election I never heard of Gary Johnson. No ads or anything were up around where we lived at the time. In hindsight, if I could go back, I'd probably look at who all was running, and do research on the ones I never heard of which was Johnson.. Before the election I did a good bit of research on Romney.. Living in MS at the time and it being a red state, if I agreed with much of Johnson's platform, I might would've voted for him. The fact I didn't know much of Johnson is my own fault.
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I went Reagan/Johnson.

I was a child of the evil empire 80s.
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(08-06-2014 12:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 12:51 PM)gdunn Wrote:  My vote actually changed..

In the first I voted Ron Paul. I liked the guy. I think he had some good ideas.

This one, I voted for Romney. Again, I like the guy. I think he has some good ideas.

I'd voted for Reagan in the first one, but I was a youngen when he was president and can only verify what he done via history books.

Yea, I remember you being one of two people on this board who were for Ron Paul but oddly not Gary Johnson.

Gary Johnson extends his libertarianism to children and permissive drugs to all drugs. Most people, even libertarians, draw the line at age of consent and pot. Johnson is a total whack job.
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(08-06-2014 01:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 12:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 12:51 PM)gdunn Wrote:  My vote actually changed..

In the first I voted Ron Paul. I liked the guy. I think he had some good ideas.

This one, I voted for Romney. Again, I like the guy. I think he has some good ideas.

I'd voted for Reagan in the first one, but I was a youngen when he was president and can only verify what he done via history books.

Yea, I remember you being one of two people on this board who were for Ron Paul but oddly not Gary Johnson.

Gary Johnson extends his libertarianism to children and permissive drugs to all drugs. Most people, even libertarians, draw the line at age of consent and pot. Johnson is a total whack job.

I guess I was the second.
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(08-06-2014 01:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Gary Johnson extends his libertarianism to children and permissive drugs to all drugs. Most people, even libertarians, draw the line at age of consent and pot. Johnson is a total whack job.

Got a source? I have heard nothing of that. You'd think something that drastic would be on wikipedia if it were true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_p...inking_age (drugs right below)
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Some folks want the government out of your face, except for when they want it in your face.
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(08-06-2014 01:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 01:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Gary Johnson extends his libertarianism to children and permissive drugs to all drugs. Most people, even libertarians, draw the line at age of consent and pot. Johnson is a total whack job.

Got a source? I have heard nothing of that. You'd think something that drastic would be on wikipedia if it were true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_p...inking_age (drugs right below)

I lived in New Mexico for a stint. Some of my best friends are still in the Santa Fe area. Believe it or not, Hispanics in that state are heavily into family values. Everyone, outside the white liberal weirdo culture around Sangre De Christo basin couldn't get that clown out of New Mexico quick enough.
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(08-06-2014 01:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I lived in New Mexico for a stint. Some of my best friends are still in the Santa Fe area. Believe it or not, Hispanics in that state are heavily into family values. Everyone, outside the white liberal weirdo culture around Sangre De Christo basin couldn't get that clown out of New Mexico quick enough.

I can tell by the way he won re-election as Governor by an even bigger margin despite being a Republican in a state that is 2 to 1 Democrat.
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(08-06-2014 01:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 01:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Gary Johnson extends his libertarianism to children and permissive drugs to all drugs. Most people, even libertarians, draw the line at age of consent and pot. Johnson is a total whack job.

Got a source? I have heard nothing of that. You'd think something that drastic would be on wikipedia if it were true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_p...inking_age (drugs right below)

Not going to waste my time, but:

1. When he was running as a republican in the debates he argued legalizing all drugs. In fact, that was about all he talked about in the debate I watched. Foreign policy, economics, taxation... all went full circle to legalizing drugs.

2. Someone (I think SMN) mentioned that they were unable to release their child's medical records in NM to the school because NM law gives this right to children 13 and over. Turns out that was a Gary Johnson initiative.
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(08-06-2014 01:11 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-06-2014 01:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I lived in New Mexico for a stint. Some of my best friends are still in the Santa Fe area. Believe it or not, Hispanics in that state are heavily into family values. Everyone, outside the white liberal weirdo culture around Sangre De Christo basin couldn't get that clown out of New Mexico quick enough.

I can tell by the way he won re-election as Governor by an even bigger margin despite being a Republican in a state that is 2 to 1 Democrat.

He was elected by the Anglo electorate in Albuquerque. The core of Santa was disgusted with him and for good reason.

He's just a weird creepy dude. He is also no Republican. He is a libertarian. Whatever that means.
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What an evil choice. Just as it was in 2012 when I voted for Virgil Goode.

Democrat is a non-starter. A moderate Republican is just a Democrat-lite. Green is just an honest albeit crazy Democrat. I fancy myself libertarian but the Libertarians have that drug stuff and a crazy foreign policy.
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Yikes, didn't realize Ron Paul himself was for eliminating the age of consent.

This is exactly why, while they have good ideas, you do not want strict libertarians in power.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/t...l_you.html
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Quote:Likewise, some libertarians argue that children should be “free” to have sex with adults. Although the LP platform says, “Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships,” Mary Ruwart, an author featured prominently by Advocates for Self-Government and a leading contender for the 2008 LP presidential ticket, claims that restriction is too narrow. Regarding the question of child pornography, she writes in her book on libertarianism: “Children who willingly participate in sexual acts have the right to make that decision.” Such a view obliterates the very meaning of rights and sanctions the ugliest of crimes. Granted, many libertarians rightly recoil at such positions, but that does not change the fact that Johnson has placed himself in the same philosophic cesspool as the likes of Ruwart.
Quote:Other than abortion, there is no particular on which Ron Paul differs with either libertarianism or the Libertarian Party. Like them, he would legalize hard drugs and abolish age of consent laws, which violate the rights of 24-year-olds to have sex with 14-year-olds.
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(08-06-2014 01:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Yikes, didn't realize Ron Paul himself was for eliminating the age of consent.

This is exactly why, while they have good ideas, you do not want strict libertarians in power.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/t...l_you.html
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2012...s-liberty/

Quote:Likewise, some libertarians argue that children should be “free” to have sex with adults. Although the LP platform says, “Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships,” Mary Ruwart, an author featured prominently by Advocates for Self-Government and a leading contender for the 2008 LP presidential ticket, claims that restriction is too narrow. Regarding the question of child pornography, she writes in her book on libertarianism: “Children who willingly participate in sexual acts have the right to make that decision.” Such a view obliterates the very meaning of rights and sanctions the ugliest of crimes. Granted, many libertarians rightly recoil at such positions, but that does not change the fact that Johnson has placed himself in the same philosophic cesspool as the likes of Ruwart.
Quote:Other than abortion, there is no particular on which Ron Paul differs with either libertarianism or the Libertarian Party. Like them, he would legalize hard drugs and abolish age of consent laws, which violate the rights of 24-year-olds to have sex with 14-year-olds.

Your 24/14 example is legal right now in Hawaii.

I disagree with Ruwart on child porn. I disagree with an age of consent below... say ... 14. I agree with the age of consent construct ... but not with how it is used in most of the country. If age of consent is too high (17) I think it is total BS for sex between 16/17 to be statutory. I'm still voting Paul even though I'd disagree with his specifics on consent because I know:
1) That is clearly the domain of the states and the President's view is irrelevant here
2) I'm still overwhelmingly with his positions and overwhelmingly against those of Mittens and Obama.
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