Of course we are a power conference in basketball.
Connecticut is the defending national champion in both men's and women's basketball. SMU nearly won the NIT. We had multiple postseason bids. We are competitive.
(08-06-2014 04:58 PM)TampaKnight Wrote: Of course we are a power conference in basketball.
Connecticut is the defending national champion in both men's and women's basketball. SMU nearly won the NIT. We had multiple postseason bids. We are competitive.
I concur. Anybody who follows college basketball knows that, historically speaking, UC, UCONN, Temple, Memphis tend to produce at least respectable basketball programs. Add in a Larry Brown coached SMU squad and you got a mighty fine basketball conference. Football on the other hand we have to wait and see.
(08-06-2014 12:57 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: In regards to Football, the American is a tweener conference, as in your teams are ranked right in between other G5 teams. For instance, here is Paul Meyerberg's pre-season rankings for USA Today comparing AAC teams to MAC teams. An unbiased, professional opinion shows that this giant separation y'all keep telling yourselves in your echo chamber doesn't really exist. Sorry.
Welcome to the G5, best of luck this fall.
?? AAC UCF
36 MAC BGSU 38 AAC Houston
39 MAC NIU 44 AAC Cincinnati
53 MAC Toledo 54 AAC E Carolina
57 MAC Ball State
71 MAC Ohio
79 MAC Buffalo 83 AAC Tulsa
85 MAC CMU 86 AAC Temple 92 AAC USF 93 AAC UConn
94 MAC Akron 96 AAC Memphis 100 AAC SMU
107 MAC Kent St 109 AAC Tulane
117 MAC WMU
122 MAC Miami
126 MAC EMU
128 MAC UMass
Nice try. This reflects "tweener" schools not a "tweener conference"
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Of course all the teams look much closer (between each other) when you cut out half of the teams between 50-128.
Let's say we use Myerberg and let's say Central Florida ends up no higher than #30 (but likely better) then the average ranking for the American is 75.2 Add in Navy and we'd be at 72.7.
The ACC average as of now is 75.9. Yes it will go up. Will probably be about a 58 average once the rest of the teams are ranked to include FSU at #1.
The MAC average is 85.7
The MW currently stands at 85 average.
CUSA is at 92 and the Sunbelt is at 94.
So from those numbers, Myerberg actually supports the notion that the American Athletic is a "tweener conference".
(This post was last modified: 08-06-2014 07:22 PM by ECUPirated.)
(08-06-2014 12:57 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: In regards to Football, the American is a tweener conference, as in your teams are ranked right in between other G5 teams. For instance, here is Paul Meyerberg's pre-season rankings for USA Today comparing AAC teams to MAC teams. An unbiased, professional opinion shows that this giant separation y'all keep telling yourselves in your echo chamber doesn't really exist. Sorry.
Welcome to the G5, best of luck this fall.
?? AAC UCF
36 MAC BGSU 38 AAC Houston
39 MAC NIU 44 AAC Cincinnati
53 MAC Toledo 54 AAC E Carolina
57 MAC Ball State
71 MAC Ohio
79 MAC Buffalo 83 AAC Tulsa
85 MAC CMU 86 AAC Temple 92 AAC USF 93 AAC UConn
94 MAC Akron 96 AAC Memphis 100 AAC SMU
107 MAC Kent St 109 AAC Tulane
117 MAC WMU
122 MAC Miami
126 MAC EMU
128 MAC UMass
Nice try. This reflects "tweener" schools not a "tweener conference"
and
Of course all the teams look much closer (between each other) when you cut out half of the teams between 50-128.
Let's say we use Myerberg and let's say Central Florida ends up no higher than #30 (but likely better) then the average ranking for the American is 75.2 Add in Navy and we'd be at 72.7.
The ACC average as of now is 75.9. Yes it will go up. Will probably be about a 58 average once the rest of the teams are ranked to include FSU at #1.
The MAC average is 85.7
The MW currently stands at 85 average.
CUSA is at 92 and the Sunbelt is at 94.
So from those numbers, Myerberg actually supports the notion that the American Athletic is a "tweener conference".
no rational person would look at those rankings and say one group is clearly separated from the other. not a coincidence that all of the attempts to refute it has been from ECU fans.
(08-06-2014 08:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: no rational person would look at those rankings and say one group is clearly separated from the other. not a coincidence that all of the attempts to refute it has been from ECU fans.
Ohio fan talking smack? I've seen it all. Why are you over here isn't there a D1AA board somewhere for the MAC schools?
(08-06-2014 08:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: no rational person would look at those rankings and say one group is clearly separated from the other. not a coincidence that all of the attempts to refute it has been from ECU fans.
C'mon man. Gotta bring the fanbase thing into this. You used Myerberg to try to prove your point, and Myerberg said you were wrong.
Had you used the Orlando Sentinel rankings, I might not have felt the need to respond to you at all.......it would have supported your premise.
(This post was last modified: 08-06-2014 10:36 PM by ECUPirated.)
(08-06-2014 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: No question that the American is a formidable basketball conference. Anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong.
In football, I'd call it a "tweener" - better than all other conferences but not quite on the P5 level.
My gut feeling is that this conference is the platform to springboard most of these football programs into that elusive "next level" the talking heads are always chattering about. Most of the athletic programs are investing heavily which is exactly what is needed. Here's to hoping Temple can get rolling on the investment side as well. The TV exposure is there. Continue winning and the rest will take care of itself. The situation is not static as some would lead us all to believe. There is money to be made by TV networks through advertising revenue if this league takes care of business. Winning benefits everyone. We may be a tweener but we have to tools to become more.
Concur!
Tweener is the most AAC can be. P5 will make sure of that. They don't want another at the $$$ trough.
No way can the MAC claim to be as good as (let alone better than) the AAC in football. The overall win% is night and day (see Commuter Bob's blog post)
2013 American OOC vs. FBS: 45.2%
2013 M.A.C. OOC vs. FBS: 24.4%
2013 American OOC vs. AQ: 26.7%
2013 M.A.C. OOC vs. AQ: 13.8%
MAC always say they are better than AAC. The reason why they seem like they don't feel pressure to improve is because they think they've already made it and people just aren't paying attention.
MAC has a bunch of issues. #1 schools like NIU could only pull like 18k announced attendance last 3 games while on a bcs run. #2. MAC regions in decline. #3 facilities #4. Happy being a have not
(08-06-2014 08:48 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: no rational person would look at those rankings and say one group is clearly separated from the other. not a coincidence that all of the attempts to refute it has been from ECU fans.
(1) I'm not an ECU fan
(2) The above refutation, based on AVERAGE rankings, was valid as far as competitiveness is concerned
(3) I hate to sound like "Quo", but there is much more to conference status than competiveness. The MAC is also behind the AAC in attendance, budgets and TV exposure among other factors.
(4) The MAC is a nice mid-major FOOTBALL conference with history, sensible geography and some pretty good teams, but to use your terminology, "no rational person" would say that it is anywhere near equal to the AAC.
(This post was last modified: 08-07-2014 08:05 AM by Gray Avenger.)
(08-06-2014 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: No question that the American is a formidable basketball conference. Anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong.
In football, I'd call it a "tweener" - better than all other conferences but not quite on the P5 level.
My gut feeling is that this conference is the platform to springboard most of these football programs into that elusive "next level" the talking heads are always chattering about. Most of the athletic programs are investing heavily which is exactly what is needed. Here's to hoping Temple can get rolling on the investment side as well. The TV exposure is there. Continue winning and the rest will take care of itself. The situation is not static as some would lead us all to believe. There is money to be made by TV networks through advertising revenue if this league takes care of business. Winning benefits everyone. We may be a tweener but we have to tools to become more.
I’m not quite sure where you get the impression that Temple “needs to get rolling” on the investment side but I believe you may be mistaking there. Temples athletic budget is just short of $45,000,000 per year which I believe would put them about in the middle of the pack of programs in the AAC.
Two years ago Temple finished its new state of the art basketball practice facility which cost just shy of $50,000,000. The NBA teams use it for practice and shoot around they are in town to play the Sixers.
Three years ago Temple put a $10,000,000 addition onto the current football practice facility, last year added an indoor practice facility, and this year upgraded the locker rooms.
Home football games are at Lincoln Financial Field at the cost of $1,000,000 per season and there is serious talks about building a new on campus football stadium.
Temple plays its home basketball games in the 10,200 seat Liacouras Center, an on campus area that was built in 1997 at a cost of $73,000,000 and also hosts events like big name concerts, Disney events and the Globetrotters. For games played off campus Temple has access to the Wells Fargo Center, which is less than 5 miles away and is the home of the 76ers, which they use for a game or two each season.
You may be referring to the articles about the cutting of the sports programs earlier this year. This was done not to reduce the athletic budget, it wasn’t reduce by a single dollar, the cuts were to reduce expenses so the money can be better spent on the revenue producing sports.
Should have been more specific, on campus football stadium. Playing at the Eagles stadium is as detrimental to Temple as it was for Tulane playing in the Dome, logistically too vast to overcome in many areas. I'm aware Temple has resources and happy to be in the conference with them. It wasn't a dig against Temple at all.
(08-06-2014 10:27 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: No question that the American is a formidable basketball conference. Anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong.
In football, I'd call it a "tweener" - better than all other conferences but not quite on the P5 level.
My gut feeling is that this conference is the platform to springboard most of these football programs into that elusive "next level" the talking heads are always chattering about. Most of the athletic programs are investing heavily which is exactly what is needed. Here's to hoping Temple can get rolling on the investment side as well. The TV exposure is there. Continue winning and the rest will take care of itself. The situation is not static as some would lead us all to believe. There is money to be made by TV networks through advertising revenue if this league takes care of business. Winning benefits everyone. We may be a tweener but we have to tools to become more.
Concur!
Tweener is the most AAC can be. P5 will make sure of that. They don't want another at the $$$ trough.
The p5 will make sure of it until the AAC is having sustained success and drags their asses into court on anti trust grounds, which is the right thing to do, hold them to their word that it's all about the student athlete. These p5 conferences have to have economists/ business people that realize that finance/ profit is not a zero sum game. Success attracts investment. It does no one any good in the long run to monopolize the market. Anyone that's taken introductory business courses can grasp this.
(This post was last modified: 08-07-2014 09:23 AM by PuddlePirate.)
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