(08-06-2014 02:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:46 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  So, please enlighten us then based on your expertise who are the top three teams in the league for this coming season? Since we can't base anything off last year and it's clearly only about who returns then you should have it pegged on who the conference champ is. I will wait patiently for these expert picks that I can take to Vegas.

Well that's a softball one...

of course La Tech would be a over whamming favorite

So I take it that you think muts should be right there with them based off of last year? Even with muts needing to replace 62% of your team

I don't think the league is trying to pick the top three teams. I think they are trying to make sure that the the top half of the league plays a preponderance of its H&H against the other teams that will finish in the top half. So, to answer your question no I don't think we'll be able to be in a co-championship type of season like we did last year, because we probably did lose too much to repeat that. However, I do expect us to be in the top half, and I think that's what the league is banking on that we will.

(08-06-2014 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:51 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:24 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Right. So we should just totally ignore RPI all together and not even try.

From my perspective, I think it would be foolish to have all three of MT, USM, and Tech playing Rice home and home next year, so to each his own.

If you are scheduling for the RPI and going totally off last years records then yes it should totally be ignored.

Not to pat myself on the back but I consider myself as a expert when it comes to the RPI and ran MANY models on how to best make it work for you with scheduling....the MVC figured it out and used the RPI while other conference didn't. It's not about playing the Duke's or uk's...but the middle or bottom of the BCS boys to get that "name" win. For a conference...OOC is all about the WINS, not who they came against

Trying to schedule ooc games with teams from the bottom conferences that won 15+ games the year before but returns most of their starters is a good way to get wins and benefit your RPI. As for conference scheduling it should ALWAYS be based off returning players compared to what that team did last year.

Same plan as ooc should be followed for conference scheduling a team that only won .500 in conference but returns Sr leadership and most of their starters...usually will up that win total to .700 or better.

But in the end no plan is foolproof but I'm studied the RPI for the last 14 years and even had my own..way before every site listed one. When Jerry Palm and one other were the only one's.

So I'm not just running off at the mouth

Looks like StillJonsing has a replacement as well.

I say if you don't like this year's schedule then you should revert to last year's. That said I like that WKU is here and I am sure that Halton Arena will give you a warm welcome.

Hey dumb*** no where did I say anything about liking or disliking the overall schedule. Try thinking before opening your mouth. We are talking what is best for the conference when it comes to the RPI...

fools like you jumping right into the middle of something and trying to give their own take is...

well foolish

You sure are a sensitive one. What is best is for teams in the conference to not schedule games against teams named "Alice Lloyd College", and schedule some teams that could actually help the RPI.

(08-06-2014 02:58 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:46 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  So, please enlighten us then based on your expertise who are the top three teams in the league for this coming season? Since we can't base anything off last year and it's clearly only about who returns then you should have it pegged on who the conference champ is. I will wait patiently for these expert picks that I can take to Vegas.

Well that's a softball one...

of course La Tech would be a over whamming favorite

So I take it that you think muts should be right there with them based off of last year? Even with muts needing to replace 62% of your team

I don't think the league is trying to pick the top three teams. I think they are trying to make sure that the the top half of the league plays a preponderance of its H&H against the other teams that will finish in the top half. So, to answer your question no I don't think we'll be able to be in a co-championship type of season like we did last year, because we probably did lose too much to repeat that. However, I do expect us to be in the top half, and I think that's what the league is banking on that we will.

History would say this is another time muts will end up with 16 or less wins. Based off your history and returning players I would not pick muts in the top of the conference. As far as top half...7th is considered top half and that would put you as maybe a .500 team or a game over .500

(08-06-2014 03:03 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:51 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:24 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Right. So we should just totally ignore RPI all together and not even try.

From my perspective, I think it would be foolish to have all three of MT, USM, and Tech playing Rice home and home next year, so to each his own.

If you are scheduling for the RPI and going totally off last years records then yes it should totally be ignored.

Not to pat myself on the back but I consider myself as a expert when it comes to the RPI and ran MANY models on how to best make it work for you with scheduling....the MVC figured it out and used the RPI while other conference didn't. It's not about playing the Duke's or uk's...but the middle or bottom of the BCS boys to get that "name" win. For a conference...OOC is all about the WINS, not who they came against

Trying to schedule ooc games with teams from the bottom conferences that won 15+ games the year before but returns most of their starters is a good way to get wins and benefit your RPI. As for conference scheduling it should ALWAYS be based off returning players compared to what that team did last year.

Same plan as ooc should be followed for conference scheduling a team that only won .500 in conference but returns Sr leadership and most of their starters...usually will up that win total to .700 or better.

But in the end no plan is foolproof but I'm studied the RPI for the last 14 years and even had my own..way before every site listed one. When Jerry Palm and one other were the only one's.

So I'm not just running off at the mouth

Looks like StillJonsing has a replacement as well.

I say if you don't like this year's schedule then you should revert to last year's. That said I like that WKU is here and I am sure that Halton Arena will give you a warm welcome.

Hey dumb*** no where did I say anything about liking or disliking the overall schedule. Try thinking before opening your mouth. We are talking what is best for the conference when it comes to the RPI...

fools like you jumping right into the middle of something and trying to give their own take is...

well foolish

You sure are a sensitive one. What is best is for teams in the conference to not schedule games against teams named "Alice Lloyd College", and schedule some teams that could actually help the RPI.

dumb*** you might want to look at Charlotte's schedule before...running off at the mouth. But then again dumb*** you seem to be good at that.

(08-06-2014 03:03 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:51 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:24 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Right. So we should just totally ignore RPI all together and not even try.

From my perspective, I think it would be foolish to have all three of MT, USM, and Tech playing Rice home and home next year, so to each his own.

If you are scheduling for the RPI and going totally off last years records then yes it should totally be ignored.

Not to pat myself on the back but I consider myself as a expert when it comes to the RPI and ran MANY models on how to best make it work for you with scheduling....the MVC figured it out and used the RPI while other conference didn't. It's not about playing the Duke's or uk's...but the middle or bottom of the BCS boys to get that "name" win. For a conference...OOC is all about the WINS, not who they came against

Trying to schedule ooc games with teams from the bottom conferences that won 15+ games the year before but returns most of their starters is a good way to get wins and benefit your RPI. As for conference scheduling it should ALWAYS be based off returning players compared to what that team did last year.

Same plan as ooc should be followed for conference scheduling a team that only won .500 in conference but returns Sr leadership and most of their starters...usually will up that win total to .700 or better.

But in the end no plan is foolproof but I'm studied the RPI for the last 14 years and even had my own..way before every site listed one. When Jerry Palm and one other were the only one's.

So I'm not just running off at the mouth

Looks like StillJonsing has a replacement as well.

I say if you don't like this year's schedule then you should revert to last year's. That said I like that WKU is here and I am sure that Halton Arena will give you a warm welcome.

Hey dumb*** no where did I say anything about liking or disliking the overall schedule. Try thinking before opening your mouth. We are talking what is best for the conference when it comes to the RPI...

fools like you jumping right into the middle of something and trying to give their own take is...

well foolish

You sure are a sensitive one. What is best is for teams in the conference to not schedule games against teams named "Alice Lloyd College", and schedule some teams that could actually help the RPI.

i don't believe d2 games count against rpi.

next.

(08-06-2014 03:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:58 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:46 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  So, please enlighten us then based on your expertise who are the top three teams in the league for this coming season? Since we can't base anything off last year and it's clearly only about who returns then you should have it pegged on who the conference champ is. I will wait patiently for these expert picks that I can take to Vegas.

Well that's a softball one...

of course La Tech would be a over whamming favorite

So I take it that you think muts should be right there with them based off of last year? Even with muts needing to replace 62% of your team

I don't think the league is trying to pick the top three teams. I think they are trying to make sure that the the top half of the league plays a preponderance of its H&H against the other teams that will finish in the top half. So, to answer your question no I don't think we'll be able to be in a co-championship type of season like we did last year, because we probably did lose too much to repeat that. However, I do expect us to be in the top half, and I think that's what the league is banking on that we will.

History would say this is another time muts will end up with 16 or less wins. Based off your history and returning players I would not pick muts in the top of the conference. As far as top half...7th is considered top half and that would put you as maybe a .500 team or a game over .500

History means nothing. The signees might be better than the returners.

Western fans said the same thing before last season when we turned over half the roster and we went on to share a regular season championship in C-USA. Basketball is a different animal nowadays, because freshmen come in and not only contribute but even lead college basketball teams now. We will find out soon enough.

(08-06-2014 03:15 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:58 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:49 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:46 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  So, please enlighten us then based on your expertise who are the top three teams in the league for this coming season? Since we can't base anything off last year and it's clearly only about who returns then you should have it pegged on who the conference champ is. I will wait patiently for these expert picks that I can take to Vegas.

Well that's a softball one...

of course La Tech would be a over whamming favorite

So I take it that you think muts should be right there with them based off of last year? Even with muts needing to replace 62% of your team

I don't think the league is trying to pick the top three teams. I think they are trying to make sure that the the top half of the league plays a preponderance of its H&H against the other teams that will finish in the top half. So, to answer your question no I don't think we'll be able to be in a co-championship type of season like we did last year, because we probably did lose too much to repeat that. However, I do expect us to be in the top half, and I think that's what the league is banking on that we will.

History would say this is another time muts will end up with 16 or less wins. Based off your history and returning players I would not pick muts in the top of the conference. As far as top half...7th is considered top half and that would put you as maybe a .500 team or a game over .500

History means nothing. The signees might be better than the returners.

Western fans said the same thing before last season when we turned over half the roster and we went on to share a regular season championship. Basketball is a different animal nowadays, because freshmen come in and not only contribute but even lead college basketball teams now. We will find out soon enough.

But that's not what we are talking about...

conference scheduling for what's best for the top of the conference. Everyone of us might have the next Larry Bird or Magic Johnson on our teams. That we don't know and scheduling off of that would be foolish.

So as I said earlier...if the conference is going to schedule for maximum RPI benefit it should be based off of known facts. Not last year results.

Because scheduling only off of last years record is useless without taken into account of what a team has returning. I don't know much about what the teams in CUSA did last year but...

if a team finished 8th or 9th with a losing record with a young team but came on strong at the end...most likely that team will improve a lot the next year. As I said a number of times the reverse is also likely to happen.

As for Western's schedule the only thing I really dislike...

we get all the TX schools at home and I wanted to plan a road trip to TX. Especially since we don't play there in football either.

(08-06-2014 03:09 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  i don't believe d2 games count against rpi.

next.

They don't count FOR it either.

The A10 for one season (2007-08) had a system that pitted the best teams against each other multiple times, splitting the conference up into tiers.

It had several unintended consequences, some mid-level "tiered" teams elevated themselves by being king of their hill, while other top tier teams could never gain any momentum and ended up slipping. Skewing the conference schedule to up the Conference SOS a slippery slope, it will help some teams, hurt some teams, and at the end of the day Conference USA will come out looking the same.

We should be more worried about raising the non-conference schedule, but that's been the MO of Charlotte fans since we got back here. So I won't prattle on too long about that.

(08-06-2014 03:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:03 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:51 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If you are scheduling for the RPI and going totally off last years records then yes it should totally be ignored.

Not to pat myself on the back but I consider myself as a expert when it comes to the RPI and ran MANY models on how to best make it work for you with scheduling....the MVC figured it out and used the RPI while other conference didn't. It's not about playing the Duke's or uk's...but the middle or bottom of the BCS boys to get that "name" win. For a conference...OOC is all about the WINS, not who they came against

Trying to schedule ooc games with teams from the bottom conferences that won 15+ games the year before but returns most of their starters is a good way to get wins and benefit your RPI. As for conference scheduling it should ALWAYS be based off returning players compared to what that team did last year.

Same plan as ooc should be followed for conference scheduling a team that only won .500 in conference but returns Sr leadership and most of their starters...usually will up that win total to .700 or better.

But in the end no plan is foolproof but I'm studied the RPI for the last 14 years and even had my own..way before every site listed one. When Jerry Palm and one other were the only one's.

So I'm not just running off at the mouth

Looks like StillJonsing has a replacement as well.

I say if you don't like this year's schedule then you should revert to last year's. That said I like that WKU is here and I am sure that Halton Arena will give you a warm welcome.

Hey dumb*** no where did I say anything about liking or disliking the overall schedule. Try thinking before opening your mouth. We are talking what is best for the conference when it comes to the RPI...

fools like you jumping right into the middle of something and trying to give their own take is...

well foolish

You sure are a sensitive one. What is best is for teams in the conference to not schedule games against teams named "Alice Lloyd College", and schedule some teams that could actually help the RPI.

dumb*** you might want to look at Charlotte's schedule before...running off at the mouth. But then again dumb*** you seem to be good at that.

Our schedule is fine. No DII's or NAIA schools will be on it.

We already have confirmed games against the B1G, ACC (2), and A10 (2).

We'll probably end up with a couple other games against power conference programs as well.

Somebody else may recall the specifics, but CUSA had pods or "the Calipari" rule for a while. I think Memphis played UTEP, UAB and I want to say SMU (recalling a Robodoh video lol!) H&H to help protect the RPI. When Calipari flew the coop in a snoconemobile, CUSA yanked the policy at the request of the coaches. I could off on the details, but I distinctly remember some sort of scheduling policy once upon a time.

(08-06-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:03 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:51 PM)Dowless Wrote:  Looks like StillJonsing has a replacement as well.

I say if you don't like this year's schedule then you should revert to last year's. That said I like that WKU is here and I am sure that Halton Arena will give you a warm welcome.

Hey dumb*** no where did I say anything about liking or disliking the overall schedule. Try thinking before opening your mouth. We are talking what is best for the conference when it comes to the RPI...

fools like you jumping right into the middle of something and trying to give their own take is...

well foolish

You sure are a sensitive one. What is best is for teams in the conference to not schedule games against teams named "Alice Lloyd College", and schedule some teams that could actually help the RPI.

dumb*** you might want to look at Charlotte's schedule before...running off at the mouth. But then again dumb*** you seem to be good at that.

Our schedule is fine. No DII's or NAIA schools will be on it.

We already have confirmed games against the B1G, ACC (2), and A10 (2).

We'll probably end up with a couple other games against power conference programs as well.

So what you're saying is you will enter conference play with a bunch of losses...

Let me try to explain something without sounding like a smartass ...ok I am a smart ass ( or at least I play one on messageboards)so let me just throw it out.

The RPI does not care what conference a team plays in all that matters is the winning % of the school you play. So for the other schools in the conference a win over 20-10 SBC school is better than a win over a 15-15 big10 school...

and the likelihood of the win over a SBC team is a lot greater than beating that Big10 team.

I don't like the non d1 games...as a paying fan but if you replaced that game with a Duke and you lose...

it hurts the conference more because it affects the winning %. Doesn't have to be Duke...a loss is a loss the RPI does not care what conference a school plays in...only the winning%

(08-06-2014 05:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:03 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 02:55 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Hey dumb*** no where did I say anything about liking or disliking the overall schedule. Try thinking before opening your mouth. We are talking what is best for the conference when it comes to the RPI...

fools like you jumping right into the middle of something and trying to give their own take is...

well foolish

You sure are a sensitive one. What is best is for teams in the conference to not schedule games against teams named "Alice Lloyd College", and schedule some teams that could actually help the RPI.

dumb*** you might want to look at Charlotte's schedule before...running off at the mouth. But then again dumb*** you seem to be good at that.

Our schedule is fine. No DII's or NAIA schools will be on it.

We already have confirmed games against the B1G, ACC (2), and A10 (2).

We'll probably end up with a couple other games against power conference programs as well.

So what you're saying is you will enter conference play with a bunch of losses...

Let me try to explain something without sounding like a smartass ...ok I am a smart ass ( or at least I play one on messageboards)so let me just throw it out.

The RPI does not care what conference a team plays in all that matters is the winning % of the school you play. So for the other schools in the conference a win over 20-10 SBC school is better than a win over a 15-15 big10 school...

and the likelihood of the win over a SBC team is a lot greater than beating that Big10 team.

I don't like the non d1 games...as a paying fan but if you replaced that game with a Duke and you lose...

it hurts the conference more because it affects the winning %. Doesn't have to be Duke...a loss is a loss the RPI does not care what conference a school plays in...only the winning%

SOS matters. If it didn't, USM would have gotten into the tournament last year. By playing non-d1 schools, you're doing everyone a disservice by making this conference look like a joke.

The problem is, when you're supposed to be a top team in CUSA and you're playing games that don't count for RPI, you're hurting our conference RPI. This conference is always going to have a lot of dead weight teams that hurt the conference's winning percentage. You need your top teams to schedule games that matter (and games that are winnable) to help balance that and keep the conference RPI at a respectable level. If you're not a top 10 conference, you have almost 0 chance at getting an at large bid.

And why do you assume we'll lose? Last year we beat Michigan and Kansas State, barely lost to Georgia Tech. We sank a 3 at the buzzer to tie the game and the shot was about a quarter second too late.

We beat power conference teams pretty much every year, even in all the mediocre years we've had lately. I'm sorry if you don't.

I see we've found our replacement for StillJonesing on this board.

(08-06-2014 06:09 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 05:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:03 PM)Dowless Wrote:  You sure are a sensitive one. What is best is for teams in the conference to not schedule games against teams named "Alice Lloyd College", and schedule some teams that could actually help the RPI.

dumb*** you might want to look at Charlotte's schedule before...running off at the mouth. But then again dumb*** you seem to be good at that.

Our schedule is fine. No DII's or NAIA schools will be on it.

We already have confirmed games against the B1G, ACC (2), and A10 (2).

We'll probably end up with a couple other games against power conference programs as well.

So what you're saying is you will enter conference play with a bunch of losses...

Let me try to explain something without sounding like a smartass ...ok I am a smart ass ( or at least I play one on messageboards)so let me just throw it out.

The RPI does not care what conference a team plays in all that matters is the winning % of the school you play. So for the other schools in the conference a win over 20-10 SBC school is better than a win over a 15-15 big10 school...

and the likelihood of the win over a SBC team is a lot greater than beating that Big10 team.

I don't like the non d1 games...as a paying fan but if you replaced that game with a Duke and you lose...

it hurts the conference more because it affects the winning %. Doesn't have to be Duke...a loss is a loss the RPI does not care what conference a school plays in...only the winning%

SOS matters. If it didn't, USM would have gotten into the tournament last year. By playing non-d1 schools, you're doing everyone a disservice by making this conference look like a joke.

The problem is, when you're supposed to be a top team in CUSA and you're playing games that don't count for RPI, you're hurting our conference RPI. This conference is always going to have a lot of dead weight teams that hurt the conference's winning percentage. You need your top teams to schedule games that matter (and games that are winnable) to help balance that and keep the conference RPI at a respectable level. If you're not a top 10 conference, you have almost 0 chance at getting an at large bid.

And why do you assume we'll lose? Last year we beat Michigan and Kansas State, barely lost to Georgia Tech. We sank a 3 at the buzzer to tie the game and the shot was about a quarter second too late.

We beat power conference teams pretty much every year, even in all the mediocre years we've had lately. I'm sorry if you don't.

I see we've found our replacement for StillJonesing on this board.

All the mediocre years determined by your in-conference losses to teams who didn't play the same schedule you did and lost to their power conference opponents.

Until you get back on the streak of beating power conference teams and transferring that success into conference play, you probably won't get as much respect. It doesn't matter in some people's minds if you beat a Vanderbilt or NC State if you go into conference play and lose to UTSA or FIU.

Replacement for StillJonesing? You'd be surprised at how many people could read this thread and think you were that one lol. I don't think we should be comparing posters here and now to people who are long gone.

(08-06-2014 06:09 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 05:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:03 PM)Dowless Wrote:  You sure are a sensitive one. What is best is for teams in the conference to not schedule games against teams named "Alice Lloyd College", and schedule some teams that could actually help the RPI.

dumb*** you might want to look at Charlotte's schedule before...running off at the mouth. But then again dumb*** you seem to be good at that.

Our schedule is fine. No DII's or NAIA schools will be on it.

We already have confirmed games against the B1G, ACC (2), and A10 (2).

We'll probably end up with a couple other games against power conference programs as well.

So what you're saying is you will enter conference play with a bunch of losses...

Let me try to explain something without sounding like a smartass ...ok I am a smart ass ( or at least I play one on messageboards)so let me just throw it out.

The RPI does not care what conference a team plays in all that matters is the winning % of the school you play. So for the other schools in the conference a win over 20-10 SBC school is better than a win over a 15-15 big10 school...

and the likelihood of the win over a SBC team is a lot greater than beating that Big10 team.

I don't like the non d1 games...as a paying fan but if you replaced that game with a Duke and you lose...

it hurts the conference more because it affects the winning %. Doesn't have to be Duke...a loss is a loss the RPI does not care what conference a school plays in...only the winning%

SOS matters. If it didn't, USM would have gotten into the tournament last year. By playing non-d1 schools, you're doing everyone a disservice by making this conference look like a joke.

The problem is, when you're supposed to be a top team in CUSA and you're playing games that don't count for RPI, you're hurting our conference RPI. This conference is always going to have a lot of dead weight teams that hurt the conference's winning percentage. You need your top teams to schedule games that matter (and games that are winnable) to help balance that and keep the conference RPI at a respectable level. If you're not a top 10 conference, you have almost 0 chance at getting an at large bid.

And why do you assume we'll lose? Last year we beat Michigan and Kansas State, barely lost to Georgia Tech. We sank a 3 at the buzzer to tie the game and the shot was about a quarter second too late.

We beat power conference teams pretty much every year, even in all the mediocre years we've had lately. I'm sorry if you don't.

I see we've found our replacement for StillJonesing on this board.

% wise you will lose more often to the Big10 school if you can't understand that you are hopeless just as you are about how the conference RPI works.

A team needs to schedule to their talent...

if you expect to compete for a at large bid you schedule that way if not you schedule as many easy wins OOC as you can.

As for Western we scheduled for a at large with a good mixture of schools

Top 2 in the OVC

Murray St
Belmont

Minnesota
St Johns
St. Joseph

Ole Miss
UofL

As for a embarrassment to the conference we will see which schools fill that role about Jan.

But as I said to the other Charlotte fan...

dumbasses should stay out of topics they know nothing about and it's plain to see you know nothing about the RPI

It hasn't been mentioned here that UTEP was a top 100 RPI team last year and only lost one player. UTEP did beat MTSU on the road and La. Tech at home. The fact UTEP played 2/3s of the season with seven scholarship players caught up to them come conference tournament time and they just couldn't finish the season strong. I do think this years UTEP team will be the best Coach Floyd has had. I fully expect the team to with 24 regular season games.

(08-06-2014 06:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 06:09 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 05:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  dumb*** you might want to look at Charlotte's schedule before...running off at the mouth. But then again dumb*** you seem to be good at that.

Our schedule is fine. No DII's or NAIA schools will be on it.

We already have confirmed games against the B1G, ACC (2), and A10 (2).

We'll probably end up with a couple other games against power conference programs as well.

So what you're saying is you will enter conference play with a bunch of losses...

Let me try to explain something without sounding like a smartass ...ok I am a smart ass ( or at least I play one on messageboards)so let me just throw it out.

The RPI does not care what conference a team plays in all that matters is the winning % of the school you play. So for the other schools in the conference a win over 20-10 SBC school is better than a win over a 15-15 big10 school...

and the likelihood of the win over a SBC team is a lot greater than beating that Big10 team.

I don't like the non d1 games...as a paying fan but if you replaced that game with a Duke and you lose...

it hurts the conference more because it affects the winning %. Doesn't have to be Duke...a loss is a loss the RPI does not care what conference a school plays in...only the winning%

SOS matters. If it didn't, USM would have gotten into the tournament last year. By playing non-d1 schools, you're doing everyone a disservice by making this conference look like a joke.

The problem is, when you're supposed to be a top team in CUSA and you're playing games that don't count for RPI, you're hurting our conference RPI. This conference is always going to have a lot of dead weight teams that hurt the conference's winning percentage. You need your top teams to schedule games that matter (and games that are winnable) to help balance that and keep the conference RPI at a respectable level. If you're not a top 10 conference, you have almost 0 chance at getting an at large bid.

And why do you assume we'll lose? Last year we beat Michigan and Kansas State, barely lost to Georgia Tech. We sank a 3 at the buzzer to tie the game and the shot was about a quarter second too late.

We beat power conference teams pretty much every year, even in all the mediocre years we've had lately. I'm sorry if you don't.

I see we've found our replacement for StillJonesing on this board.

% wise you will lose more often to the Big10 school if you can't understand that you are hopeless just as you are about how the conference RPI works.

A team needs to schedule to their talent...

if you expect to compete for a at large bid you schedule that way if not you schedule as many easy wins OOC as you can.

As for Western we scheduled for a at large with a good mixture of schools

Top 2 in the OVC

Murray St
Belmont

Minnesota
St Johns
St. Joseph

Ole Miss
UofL

As for a embarrassment to the conference we will see which schools fill that role about Jan.

But as I said to the other Charlotte fan...

dumbasses should stay out of topics they know nothing about and it's plain to see you know nothing about the RPI

So every poster that doesn't follow your agenda or ideals is a dumb***. I think we get that. I have seen teams lose to Duke and increase their RPI. You talk a lot of smack about our play in CUSA last season when you lost to your only CUSA opponent last season, which was Marshall. I guess time will tell all.

(08-06-2014 11:58 AM)Niner National Wrote:  The plan is to have a team fly into a city, play a game, get on a bus to the next game, then fly home. This is also why we play games Thursday/Saturday instead of Wednesday/Saturday. It allows our guys to travel less and spend less time away from home. The travel partner idea doesn't really work on Wednesday/Saturday because then your players would be out of the classroom for long periods of time.

Can someone explain why the women played last season on Wed/Sat? If it makes sense for travel/classroom for the men, why not the women?

(08-06-2014 08:00 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 06:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 06:09 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 05:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Our schedule is fine. No DII's or NAIA schools will be on it.

We already have confirmed games against the B1G, ACC (2), and A10 (2).

We'll probably end up with a couple other games against power conference programs as well.

So what you're saying is you will enter conference play with a bunch of losses...

Let me try to explain something without sounding like a smartass ...ok I am a smart ass ( or at least I play one on messageboards)so let me just throw it out.

The RPI does not care what conference a team plays in all that matters is the winning % of the school you play. So for the other schools in the conference a win over 20-10 SBC school is better than a win over a 15-15 big10 school...

and the likelihood of the win over a SBC team is a lot greater than beating that Big10 team.

I don't like the non d1 games...as a paying fan but if you replaced that game with a Duke and you lose...

it hurts the conference more because it affects the winning %. Doesn't have to be Duke...a loss is a loss the RPI does not care what conference a school plays in...only the winning%

SOS matters. If it didn't, USM would have gotten into the tournament last year. By playing non-d1 schools, you're doing everyone a disservice by making this conference look like a joke.

The problem is, when you're supposed to be a top team in CUSA and you're playing games that don't count for RPI, you're hurting our conference RPI. This conference is always going to have a lot of dead weight teams that hurt the conference's winning percentage. You need your top teams to schedule games that matter (and games that are winnable) to help balance that and keep the conference RPI at a respectable level. If you're not a top 10 conference, you have almost 0 chance at getting an at large bid.

And why do you assume we'll lose? Last year we beat Michigan and Kansas State, barely lost to Georgia Tech. We sank a 3 at the buzzer to tie the game and the shot was about a quarter second too late.

We beat power conference teams pretty much every year, even in all the mediocre years we've had lately. I'm sorry if you don't.

I see we've found our replacement for StillJonesing on this board.

% wise you will lose more often to the Big10 school if you can't understand that you are hopeless just as you are about how the conference RPI works.

A team needs to schedule to their talent...

if you expect to compete for a at large bid you schedule that way if not you schedule as many easy wins OOC as you can.

As for Western we scheduled for a at large with a good mixture of schools

Top 2 in the OVC

Murray St
Belmont

Minnesota
St Johns
St. Joseph

Ole Miss
UofL

As for a embarrassment to the conference we will see which schools fill that role about Jan.

But as I said to the other Charlotte fan...

dumbasses should stay out of topics they know nothing about and it's plain to see you know nothing about the RPI

So every poster that doesn't follow your agenda or ideals is a dumb***. I think we get that. I have seen teams lose to Duke and increase their RPI. You talk a lot of smack about our play in CUSA last season when you lost to your only CUSA opponent last season, which was Marshall. I guess time will tell all.

We beat Southern Mississippi last season....... WKU 68 Southern Mississippi 65

(08-06-2014 08:00 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 06:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 06:09 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 05:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 03:51 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Our schedule is fine. No DII's or NAIA schools will be on it.

We already have confirmed games against the B1G, ACC (2), and A10 (2).

We'll probably end up with a couple other games against power conference programs as well.

So what you're saying is you will enter conference play with a bunch of losses...

Let me try to explain something without sounding like a smartass ...ok I am a smart ass ( or at least I play one on messageboards)so let me just throw it out.

The RPI does not care what conference a team plays in all that matters is the winning % of the school you play. So for the other schools in the conference a win over 20-10 SBC school is better than a win over a 15-15 big10 school...

and the likelihood of the win over a SBC team is a lot greater than beating that Big10 team.

I don't like the non d1 games...as a paying fan but if you replaced that game with a Duke and you lose...

it hurts the conference more because it affects the winning %. Doesn't have to be Duke...a loss is a loss the RPI does not care what conference a school plays in...only the winning%

SOS matters. If it didn't, USM would have gotten into the tournament last year. By playing non-d1 schools, you're doing everyone a disservice by making this conference look like a joke.

The problem is, when you're supposed to be a top team in CUSA and you're playing games that don't count for RPI, you're hurting our conference RPI. This conference is always going to have a lot of dead weight teams that hurt the conference's winning percentage. You need your top teams to schedule games that matter (and games that are winnable) to help balance that and keep the conference RPI at a respectable level. If you're not a top 10 conference, you have almost 0 chance at getting an at large bid.

And why do you assume we'll lose? Last year we beat Michigan and Kansas State, barely lost to Georgia Tech. We sank a 3 at the buzzer to tie the game and the shot was about a quarter second too late.

We beat power conference teams pretty much every year, even in all the mediocre years we've had lately. I'm sorry if you don't.

I see we've found our replacement for StillJonesing on this board.

% wise you will lose more often to the Big10 school if you can't understand that you are hopeless just as you are about how the conference RPI works.

A team needs to schedule to their talent...

if you expect to compete for a at large bid you schedule that way if not you schedule as many easy wins OOC as you can.

As for Western we scheduled for a at large with a good mixture of schools

Top 2 in the OVC

Murray St
Belmont

Minnesota
St Johns
St. Joseph

Ole Miss
UofL

As for a embarrassment to the conference we will see which schools fill that role about Jan.

But as I said to the other Charlotte fan...

dumbasses should stay out of topics they know nothing about and it's plain to see you know nothing about the RPI

So every poster that doesn't follow your agenda or ideals is a dumb***. I think we get that. I have seen teams lose to Duke and increase their RPI. You talk a lot of smack about our play in CUSA last season when you lost to your only CUSA opponent last season, which was Marshall. I guess time will tell all.

Not everyone just your two. And the fact you brought up your RPI going up with a loss to Duke just proves you don't know what I'm talking about. Of course it could but we aren't talking about ONE TEAM.....

CONFERENCE

That's what we are talking about...scheduling to help the conference.

While you will most likely gain RPI points with the loss @Duke that loss hurts the other 18 conference teams (2 for some conf schools 1 for others..total of 18)

It compounds just like interest

Lets say you lose to Duke and you finish the season at 15-15 or .500 you gain RPI points because Duke had 25 wins. But if you played a OVC school what won 20 games and won you gain a lot more points from the win and don't take a hit to your SOS.

But now you are 16-14 or .5333 and the conference schools you play adds in the .5333 (some twice) into their average winning % instead of the .500

Do that 14 times (1 for each school) and each of us will move up a few spots in the RPI. It's a lot easier to move the opponents (30 games) portion of the SOS than the opponents opponents over 800 games

The RPI is all about winning % and the higher each of us have entering conference play will determent where we rank as a conference. Of course it would be great if we all could beat the big10, acc, sec schools but the average homecourt winning % is over 70% and most of the time you play the bluebloods (duke, unc, uk ) it's on the road unless it's a tourney.

Go check out the MVC from a few years ago when they ranked so high as a conference. What you will see is they hardly played any of the top schools from the P5. Mostly bottom feeders and a few middle of the pack. They also buy games vs OVC type schools so they can get as many home games as possible.

Another example...last year starting conference play the SBC was 5 or 6 spots ahead of CUSA in the RPI. They built this by playing a lot of the top P5 schools for a payday. They loss everyone and as a conference we entered play with a very low OOC winning % while CUSA had a ton more wins vs weaker schools.

With in 3 weeks the SBC dropped like a rock and CUSA rose a few spots then gained a little more as the season went on. At one [point entering conference play CUSA was I believe 20th.

So as a conference we need to schedule to what we have coming back...

if your school is young or experience and loss 20 games the year before schedule that way...the odds are you are not going to post season play. Get as many wins as you can OOC so when a top CUSA school plays you you are not sitting there 4-24 or .1428 and destroy their RPI. If you hadn't played a few more 300+ rpi schools OOC you might have 3 more wins or .2500 still awful but it's not as awful

That's how we are going to built the conference RPI...unless we get awful good as a conference and with 14 schools we will always have too many 4, 5, 6 win teams.

(08-06-2014 08:53 PM)WKUAlum92 Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 08:00 PM)Dowless Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 06:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 06:09 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 05:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So what you're saying is you will enter conference play with a bunch of losses...

Let me try to explain something without sounding like a smartass ...ok I am a smart ass ( or at least I play one on messageboards)so let me just throw it out.

The RPI does not care what conference a team plays in all that matters is the winning % of the school you play. So for the other schools in the conference a win over 20-10 SBC school is better than a win over a 15-15 big10 school...

and the likelihood of the win over a SBC team is a lot greater than beating that Big10 team.

I don't like the non d1 games...as a paying fan but if you replaced that game with a Duke and you lose...

it hurts the conference more because it affects the winning %. Doesn't have to be Duke...a loss is a loss the RPI does not care what conference a school plays in...only the winning%

SOS matters. If it didn't, USM would have gotten into the tournament last year. By playing non-d1 schools, you're doing everyone a disservice by making this conference look like a joke.

The problem is, when you're supposed to be a top team in CUSA and you're playing games that don't count for RPI, you're hurting our conference RPI. This conference is always going to have a lot of dead weight teams that hurt the conference's winning percentage. You need your top teams to schedule games that matter (and games that are winnable) to help balance that and keep the conference RPI at a respectable level. If you're not a top 10 conference, you have almost 0 chance at getting an at large bid.

And why do you assume we'll lose? Last year we beat Michigan and Kansas State, barely lost to Georgia Tech. We sank a 3 at the buzzer to tie the game and the shot was about a quarter second too late.

We beat power conference teams pretty much every year, even in all the mediocre years we've had lately. I'm sorry if you don't.

I see we've found our replacement for StillJonesing on this board.

% wise you will lose more often to the Big10 school if you can't understand that you are hopeless just as you are about how the conference RPI works.

A team needs to schedule to their talent...

if you expect to compete for a at large bid you schedule that way if not you schedule as many easy wins OOC as you can.

As for Western we scheduled for a at large with a good mixture of schools

Top 2 in the OVC

Murray St
Belmont

Minnesota
St Johns
St. Joseph

Ole Miss
UofL

As for a embarrassment to the conference we will see which schools fill that role about Jan.

But as I said to the other Charlotte fan...

dumbasses should stay out of topics they know nothing about and it's plain to see you know nothing about the RPI

So every poster that doesn't follow your agenda or ideals is a dumb***. I think we get that. I have seen teams lose to Duke and increase their RPI. You talk a lot of smack about our play in CUSA last season when you lost to your only CUSA opponent last season, which was Marshall. I guess time will tell all.

We beat Southern Mississippi last season....... WKU 68 Southern Mississippi 65

rut-roh. he must have missed that. i'm sure there's a reason that win didn't really count.