(08-05-2014 02:55 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Sorry, but their conference schedule isn't that bad (meaning not that tough :) ). No more so than ULL or any SBC schedule. I still don't see the TurdHerd going undefeated. My prediction is that they finish 11-2 (1OOC loss, 1CUSA loss) then win the champ game or maybe the are lose one regular season game and then lose the champ game (would give the anti champ game folks more proof that it hurts more than helps).

Really pulling for Cajuns to finish undefeated. Kill 2 birds, get a ranked SBC team and most likely a spot in the contract bowl.

me too but a team from aac would probably have inside track..houston/ecu/ucf/cincy..if one of them has good year they might attract more poll votes due to name recognition..

(08-05-2014 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 09:47 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Marshall does have an easy conference slate, ODU, FIU, S. Miss, UAB on the road. I'm not sure you could pick four easier CUSA road games.

I never said Marshall didn't have an easy conference schedule. A Louisiana fan suggested that Marshall had a cakewalk through conference, where the Cajuns didn't have it quite so easy, which to be frank, is 100% crap.

To illustrate

(Orlando Sentinal/USA Today/NFL.com)

@ODU 83/106/121
MT 68/70/77
@FIU 127/127/125
FAU 87/97/108
@USM 112/113/103
Rice 45/62/60
@UAB 117/120/122
WKU 71/90/80


GSU 128/125/126
@Texas State 78/91/111
stAte 67/68/63
USA 86/72/94
@NMSU 111/115/127
@ULM 76/87/106
App 126/119/120
@Troy 69/77/100

Marshall averages 89/98/100

Louisiana averages 93/94/106


As I said before, the reason Marshall has an easier road to 12-0 is their dramatically weaker OOC schedule, not because of some supposed cakewalk of a conference schedule.

Both have a cakewalk conference schedule with their two toughest opponents both at home. Troy, ULM (rival), and Texas St. on the road is tougher, but ULL does have an easier home schedule. I personally tend to place more emphasis on teams you play in conference on the road when determining its difficulty so I could see why some ULL fans believe their schedule is tougher, although only slightly.

(08-05-2014 09:40 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 02:33 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Marshall has the easiest road.....by FAR!

I think an 11-1 Houston would get in over a 13-0 Marshall...SOS matters to the committee.

Houston has a pretty easy schedule...but they still have BYU, UCF, and Cincy.

They also have msu on the schedule. Weak sauce

z

I don't know, Mississippi State isn't that bad...but I don't see them on Houston's schedule.

(08-06-2014 09:29 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 09:47 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Marshall does have an easy conference slate, ODU, FIU, S. Miss, UAB on the road. I'm not sure you could pick four easier CUSA road games.

I never said Marshall didn't have an easy conference schedule. A Louisiana fan suggested that Marshall had a cakewalk through conference, where the Cajuns didn't have it quite so easy, which to be frank, is 100% crap.

To illustrate

(Orlando Sentinal/USA Today/NFL.com)

@ODU 83/106/121
MT 68/70/77
@FIU 127/127/125
FAU 87/97/108
@USM 112/113/103
Rice 45/62/60
@UAB 117/120/122
WKU 71/90/80


GSU 128/125/126
@Texas State 78/91/111
stAte 67/68/63
USA 86/72/94
@NMSU 111/115/127
@ULM 76/87/106
App 126/119/120
@Troy 69/77/100

Marshall averages 89/98/100

Louisiana averages 93/94/106


As I said before, the reason Marshall has an easier road to 12-0 is their dramatically weaker OOC schedule, not because of some supposed cakewalk of a conference schedule.

Both have a cakewalk conference schedule with their two toughest opponents both at home. Troy, ULM (rival), and Texas St. on the road is tougher, but ULL does have an easier home schedule. I personally tend to place more emphasis on teams you play in conference on the road when determining its difficulty so I could see why some ULL fans believe their schedule is tougher, although only slightly.

I'm not saying either have a tough schedule, all I was ever contesting was the following post.

(08-05-2014 02:30 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  I think we have two major impediments to the access bowl independent of Marshall and what it does.

1. We play Ole Miss and Boise St. in back to back road games.
2. Conference isn't the cakewalk that Marshall has and we'll be getting everyone's best shot.

(08-05-2014 10:22 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 09:52 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:42 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:26 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I hope A-State wins the conference. This answers any scenario.

Ole Miss will beat ULL 3 TDs+

Other than that keeping Broadway healthy will be paramount to win the Sun Belt.

stAte/Troy do not have a better 22 but may very well a better 2 deep imo.USA is a wild card as nobody played more erratically week to week last year.

Hears to a healthy season to us all

Dude I'll take the Cajuns and 3+ TD's what you want to put on that game.

Go Big or Go Home............

Their gonna view you as LSU lite plus the tough baseball series and the gas pedal will get stuck a little longer than most of Freeze's guarantee games.

The DL will be enough mismatch that ULL will be disrupted on offense most of the day....Good Luck

Once again if you are that confident what you want to put on the game I'll be at the Troy game I can collect or pay up then.

(08-06-2014 06:18 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  I don't know if I'd call them a "sleeper" for the access bowl. It isn't like the Cajuns will be able to sneak up on anybody this year. UL-L's schedule could definitely make them a player for the access bowl game. Ole Miss and Boise are both winnable games, and UL-L should be favored in every conference game. One conference loss and they're out of contention though, and running the table in any conference is tough to do.

Indeed. And LTU-R won't roll over and play dead either.

ULL would have to run the table, have Marshall lose 1 all in MWC to lose 1 and probably the best AAC lose 2. Likely?? No. Possible?? Yes.

(08-06-2014 01:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 09:29 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 09:47 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Marshall does have an easy conference slate, ODU, FIU, S. Miss, UAB on the road. I'm not sure you could pick four easier CUSA road games.

I never said Marshall didn't have an easy conference schedule. A Louisiana fan suggested that Marshall had a cakewalk through conference, where the Cajuns didn't have it quite so easy, which to be frank, is 100% crap.

To illustrate

(Orlando Sentinal/USA Today/NFL.com)

@ODU 83/106/121
MT 68/70/77
@FIU 127/127/125
FAU 87/97/108
@USM 112/113/103
Rice 45/62/60
@UAB 117/120/122
WKU 71/90/80


GSU 128/125/126
@Texas State 78/91/111
stAte 67/68/63
USA 86/72/94
@NMSU 111/115/127
@ULM 76/87/106
App 126/119/120
@Troy 69/77/100

Marshall averages 89/98/100

Louisiana averages 93/94/106


As I said before, the reason Marshall has an easier road to 12-0 is their dramatically weaker OOC schedule, not because of some supposed cakewalk of a conference schedule.

Both have a cakewalk conference schedule with their two toughest opponents both at home. Troy, ULM (rival), and Texas St. on the road is tougher, but ULL does have an easier home schedule. I personally tend to place more emphasis on teams you play in conference on the road when determining its difficulty so I could see why some ULL fans believe their schedule is tougher, although only slightly.

I'm not saying either have a tough schedule, all I was ever contesting was the following post.

(08-05-2014 02:30 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  I think we have two major impediments to the access bowl independent of Marshall and what it does.

1. We play Ole Miss and Boise St. in back to back road games.
2. Conference isn't the cakewalk that Marshall has and we'll be getting everyone's best shot.

I don't see anyone in Marshall's schedule that will give them fits regardless of records like ULM stAte and Troy will. Sorry.

That's not to say that they won't get beat. But let's not pretend that Marshall has anyone on their schedule like ULM who would just love to ruin our season if we let them.

(08-07-2014 09:06 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 01:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 09:29 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 09:47 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Marshall does have an easy conference slate, ODU, FIU, S. Miss, UAB on the road. I'm not sure you could pick four easier CUSA road games.

I never said Marshall didn't have an easy conference schedule. A Louisiana fan suggested that Marshall had a cakewalk through conference, where the Cajuns didn't have it quite so easy, which to be frank, is 100% crap.

To illustrate

(Orlando Sentinal/USA Today/NFL.com)

@ODU 83/106/121
MT 68/70/77
@FIU 127/127/125
FAU 87/97/108
@USM 112/113/103
Rice 45/62/60
@UAB 117/120/122
WKU 71/90/80


GSU 128/125/126
@Texas State 78/91/111
stAte 67/68/63
USA 86/72/94
@NMSU 111/115/127
@ULM 76/87/106
App 126/119/120
@Troy 69/77/100

Marshall averages 89/98/100

Louisiana averages 93/94/106


As I said before, the reason Marshall has an easier road to 12-0 is their dramatically weaker OOC schedule, not because of some supposed cakewalk of a conference schedule.

Both have a cakewalk conference schedule with their two toughest opponents both at home. Troy, ULM (rival), and Texas St. on the road is tougher, but ULL does have an easier home schedule. I personally tend to place more emphasis on teams you play in conference on the road when determining its difficulty so I could see why some ULL fans believe their schedule is tougher, although only slightly.

I'm not saying either have a tough schedule, all I was ever contesting was the following post.

(08-05-2014 02:30 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  I think we have two major impediments to the access bowl independent of Marshall and what it does.

1. We play Ole Miss and Boise St. in back to back road games.
2. Conference isn't the cakewalk that Marshall has and we'll be getting everyone's best shot.

I don't see anyone in Marshall's schedule that will give them fits regardless of records like ULM stAte and Troy will. Sorry.

That's not to say that they won't get beat. But let's not pretend that Marshall has anyone on their schedule like ULM who would just love to ruin our season if we let them.

You don't think the C-USA teams want to beat Marshall just as badly? All we've heard the entire offseason is about a 12-0 season, Cato for Heisman, etc. I have to agree with PiKapp on this one - the numbers do a pretty good job of showing that both teams have similar challenges in conference with UL having the tougher OOC slate. Calling Marshall's conference schedule a cakewalk has pretty much been discredited.

(08-07-2014 09:46 AM)RowdyAlumni Wrote:  Calling Marshall's conference schedule a cakewalk has pretty much been discredited.

I disagree. It would be difficult to make ULL and Marshall's conference schedule easier. The teams they play on the road are the lesser teams and they get their two toughest conference games at home. Both teams will be favored in every conference game they play, Marshall probably by 7+ each game.

That said an undefeated ULL team gets the better bowl over an undefeated Marshall team due to OOC strength, (conference SOS will be a wash).

(08-07-2014 09:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 09:46 AM)RowdyAlumni Wrote:  Calling Marshall's conference schedule a cakewalk has pretty much been discredited.

I disagree. It would be difficult to make ULL and Marshall's conference schedule easier. The teams they play on the road are the lesser teams and they get their two toughest conference games at home. Both teams will be favored in every conference game they play, Marshall probably by 7+ each game.

That said an undefeated ULL team gets the better bowl over an undefeated Marshall team due to OOC strength, (conference SOS will be a wash).

Um... what?

(08-07-2014 09:06 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  I don't see anyone in Marshall's schedule that will give them fits regardless of records like ULM stAte and Troy will. Sorry.

That's not to say that they won't get beat. But let's not pretend that Marshall has anyone on their schedule like ULM who would just love to ruin our season if we let them.

Seriously?

I don't disagree that beating Louisiana this year would give ULM more satisfaction than anyone in CUSA beating Marshall, but both schools will get everyone's best shot week in and week out and none of this discussion so far has even touched on the fact that Marshall would still have the CCG. Louisiana may find themselves in a defacto championship at the end of the season, or they might not, Marshall is guaranteed to see the best team out of the west in a one game setting for the conference championship, you don't think that team would be hell bent on ruining ULM's season?

(08-07-2014 11:38 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 09:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 09:46 AM)RowdyAlumni Wrote:  Calling Marshall's conference schedule a cakewalk has pretty much been discredited.

I disagree. It would be difficult to make ULL and Marshall's conference schedule easier. The teams they play on the road are the lesser teams and they get their two toughest conference games at home. Both teams will be favored in every conference game they play, Marshall probably by 7+ each game.

That said an undefeated ULL team gets the better bowl over an undefeated Marshall team due to OOC strength, (conference SOS will be a wash).

Um... what?

Marshall and ULL have a cakewalk conference schedule based upon who they play at home vs. road, this really isn't that complicated.

Could see more schools back on the bandwagon for a Sun Belt Conference Championship
game if Louisiana were left out of the Access Bowl due to not having one.

(08-07-2014 11:50 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 11:38 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 09:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 09:46 AM)RowdyAlumni Wrote:  Calling Marshall's conference schedule a cakewalk has pretty much been discredited.

I disagree. It would be difficult to make ULL and Marshall's conference schedule easier. The teams they play on the road are the lesser teams and they get their two toughest conference games at home. Both teams will be favored in every conference game they play, Marshall probably by 7+ each game.

That said an undefeated ULL team gets the better bowl over an undefeated Marshall team due to OOC strength, (conference SOS will be a wash).

Um... what?

Marshall and ULL have a cakewalk conference schedule based upon who they play at home vs. road, this really isn't that complicated.

Again my contention has never been that Marshall's schedule isn't easy.

(08-05-2014 03:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I didn't say Marshall had a tough conference schedule

(08-05-2014 03:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  On paper both schools should be favored in all conference games

(08-05-2014 11:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I never said Marshall didn't have an easy conference schedule. A Louisiana fan suggested that Marshall had a cakewalk through conference, where the Cajuns didn't have it quite so easy, which to be frank, is 100% crap.

(08-06-2014 01:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm not saying either have a tough schedule

You're the one making things complicated, what Rowdy(and myself) are contending is that Marshall's schedule is a cakewalk when conpared to Louisiana's(as was suggested by AstroCajun).

We seem to be in agreement entirely, you just don't seem to know it. Rowdy wasn't saying Marshall having a cakewalk schedule has been discredited, he was saying the comparative cakewalk has been discredited. At least that's what I've been saying since the first page and he said he was agreeing with me.

Nope the quote in his last post is missing the word comparative. Which is a fairly critical omission.

(08-07-2014 12:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Nope the quote in his last post is missing the word comparative. Which is a fairly critical omission.

You're right, another omission was made by editing his quote down to what you did, when there is plenty of context in the preceding lines.

(08-07-2014 09:46 AM)RowdyAlumni Wrote:  I have to agree with PiKapp on this one - the numbers do a pretty good job of showing that both teams have similar challenges in conference with UL having the tougher OOC slate. Calling Marshall's conference schedule a cakewalk has pretty much been discredited.

All I've said is that it's ridiculous to call Marshall's schedule a cakewalk and not Louisiana's, Rowdy says he agrees with me, if he's saying Marshall has a tough schedule, he's not agreeing with me.

(08-07-2014 12:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 12:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Nope the quote in his last post is missing the word comparative. Which is a fairly critical omission.

You're right, another omission was made by editing his quote down to what you did, when there is plenty of context in the preceding lines.

(08-07-2014 09:46 AM)RowdyAlumni Wrote:  I have to agree with PiKapp on this one - the numbers do a pretty good job of showing that both teams have similar challenges in conference with UL having the tougher OOC slate. Calling Marshall's conference schedule a cakewalk has pretty much been discredited.

All I've said is that it's ridiculous to call Marshall's schedule a cakewalk and not Louisiana's, Rowdy says he agrees with me, if he's saying Marshall has a tough schedule, he's not agreeing with me.

Yep I was not trying to imply that Marshall's schedule is difficult, just saying that Marshall's conference schedule is no more of a cakewalk than UL.

Calling someone out on semantics with semantics, I love message boards...

and you both missed S3333 point. That even IF both the Terd and Cajuns go undefeated, the Cajuns get the better shot at an access bowl due to OOC games.
He is not saying one conference schedule is harder than the other. The only reason that Marshall would get into a more prestigious bowl is due to bowl contracts with CUSA over SBC. That's something we can't change in a year, but the NOB is a very nice bowl too.