Yes, Israelis are still the real war criminals. Hamas are the poor victims. Easy to understand why the Libs love Hamas so much. After all, murdering children is one of their big areas they fund raise off of.

Quote:IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on “Urban Warfare,” which belonged to the Shuja’iya Brigade of Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas “urban warfare” manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas’ callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.

This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.

In a portion entitled “Limiting the Use of Weapons,” the manual explains that:

The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

Clearly Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of weapons in order to avoid harming civilians, including refraining from using larger firepower to support for infantry.

The manual goes on to explain that the “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” that cause three major problems for advancing troops:

(1) Problems with opening fire
(2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward
(3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it

http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/08/04/c...n-shields/

This IDF propaganda campaign is just getting sad. Yeah, I'm sure Hamas makes "training manuals" praising the IDF for their regard for human life, then leaves copies lying around. Forget verification by journalists or other neutral third parties. It's just not a fact until the IDF makes a completely unverified claim and posts it on their blog.

There's a reason IDFBlog's stories usually don't get picked up by reputable news outlets. They don't pass the smell test.

How convenient.

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The IDF makes a case that is incontestable.

(08-04-2014 11:12 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  This IDF propaganda campaign is just getting sad. Yeah, I'm sure Hamas makes "training manuals" praising the IDF for their regard for human life, then leaves copies lying around. Forget verification by journalists or other neutral third parties. It's just not a fact until the IDF makes a completely unverified claim and posts it on their blog.

There's a reason IDFBlog's stories usually don't get picked up by reputable news outlets. They don't pass the smell test.

Just can't accept facts, can you.

(08-04-2014 11:12 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  There's a reason IDFBlog's stories usually don't get picked up by reputable news outlets. They don't pass the smell test.

The reason they don't get picked up , is because it paints HAMAS in a bad light, and NOBODY in the leftist media wants HAMAS to be painted as what they are.. a terrorist group.

(08-05-2014 12:46 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 11:12 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  There's a reason IDFBlog's stories usually don't get picked up by reputable news outlets. They don't pass the smell test.

The reason they don't get picked up , is because it paints HAMAS in a bad light, and NOBODY in the leftist media wants HAMAS to be painted as what they are.. a terrorist group.

Of course that is obvious. The MSM is not going to report anything that puts the terrorists Hamas in a bad light. The libs know that and his post was just another example of how outright stupid libs are.

(08-04-2014 09:36 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Yes, Israelis are still the real war criminals. Hamas are the poor victims. Easy to understand why the Libs love Hamas so much. After all, murdering children is one of their big areas they fund raise off of.

Quote:IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on “Urban Warfare,” which belonged to the Shuja’iya Brigade of Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas “urban warfare” manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas’ callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.

This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.

In a portion entitled “Limiting the Use of Weapons,” the manual explains that:

The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

Clearly Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of weapons in order to avoid harming civilians, including refraining from using larger firepower to support for infantry.

The manual goes on to explain that the “presence of civilians are pockets of resistance” that cause three major problems for advancing troops:

(1) Problems with opening fire
(2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward
(3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it

http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/08/04/c...n-shields/

Oh stop with that! you just made that up. The media and Obama say Israel is at fault. Hamas is a humanitarian organization.

(08-04-2014 11:12 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  There's a reason IDFBlog's stories usually don't get picked up by reputable news outlets. They don't pass the smell test.

It's painfully obvious that HAMAS tactics are to bait Israel into retaliation that kills Palestinians. Their gamble generally hopes to garner support from neighboring Arab nations in order to gain concessions from Israel. Whether or not the photos or existence of a document are authentic, there is no doubt that HAMAS follows the instructions in purported manual to the letter.

Why are so many civilians dying in Hamas-Israel war? - CNN.com

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/04/world/meas...an-deaths/ Wrote:The IDF said Monday it found a "Hamas combat manual" that IDF says proves the group uses its people as human shields. A CNN translation of the two pages posted by the IDF did not find specific statements that Hamas uses its own civilian population as human shields, but one section discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed. CNN could not confirm the authenticity of the manual, and neither the IDF nor Hamas could be reached for comment.

Hamas Combat Manual Endorses Use of Civilian Human Shields

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/...an-Shields Wrote:According to the contents of the manual, posted on the IDF blog, Hamas calls civilians "pockets of resistance" that force Israeli soldiers into several sets of problems:

So let me get this straight. Hamas can sneak 300 bombs into Gaza but they leave there manuals lying around? Damn some people are so gullible.

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(08-05-2014 05:48 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 12:46 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 11:12 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  There's a reason IDFBlog's stories usually don't get picked up by reputable news outlets. They don't pass the smell test.

The reason they don't get picked up , is because it paints HAMAS in a bad light, and NOBODY in the leftist media wants HAMAS to be painted as what they are.. a terrorist group.

Of course that is obvious. The MSM is not going to report anything that puts the terrorists Hamas in a bad light. The libs know that and his post was just another example of how outright stupid libs are.

Yes, it's a vast conspiracy by the rest of the global media who all want to resurrect Hitler and bring about a second Holocaust. Good thing we have you to call them out for it.

Moron.

Of course, there's been no definitive proof of Hamas using Palestinians as human shields. It's just a claim that has been repeated by the IDF until mindless idiots like you who believe every word they say accept it as the indisputable truth.

You know who has been caught using Palestinians as human shields numerous times? Israel.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/i...-2011.html

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/20...hields-un/

http://m.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-...inadequate

http://m.thenation.com/article/180783-fi...a-debunked

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shi...n_conflict

(08-05-2014 09:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  How convenient.

Dude, we captured Enigma machines from soldiers who were much more sophisticated than these cavemen. Was that propaganda, too?

The 'Smoking Gun': France24 Reporter Finds Hamas Rocket Launcher by UN Building
by Joel B. Pollak 5 Aug 2014, 1:49 PM PDT 64 post a comment
Remember that France24 reporter in Gaza who had to duck on live TV because he was so close to a Hamas rocket as it fired?

Well, he's found something else--and it's something the State Department should watch (but won't).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGOUXS7KPNI

Reprints of tweets of [b]JOURNALISTS{/b] seeing human shields in use

Picture of Rocket fired from population center

INDIAN news team reporting on rockets assembled and fired near hotel

I threw up a post about how HAMAS doctored one video already about no supposed "Warning" shots earlier, this is three more examples. Blazer, i honestly don't know .. at this rate, either you're intentionally trolling, you're intentionally being obtuse about what HAMAS does, or you are truly anti-Israel no matter what the truth puts in front of your eyes.

(08-05-2014 08:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Hamas can sneak 300 bombs into Gaza but they leave there manuals lying around? Damn some people are so gullible.

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lib idiot

(08-05-2014 09:24 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Of course that is obvious. The MSM is not going to report anything that puts the terrorists Hamas in a bad light. The libs know that and his post was just another example of how outright stupid libs are.

Yes, it's a vast conspiracy by the rest of the global media who all want to resurrect Hitler and bring about a second Holocaust. Good thing we have you to call them out for it.

Moron.

Of course, there's been no definitive proof of Hamas using Palestinians as human shields. It's just a claim that has been repeated by the IDF until mindless idiots like you who believe every word they say accept it as the indisputable truth.


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So you don't think Hamas actually admitting they use Human Shields is definitive proof?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/20...ds-w-video

Or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs

Or

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/16/hamas-...lds-video/

Hamas does use human shields. That doesn't justify killing them anyway.

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(08-05-2014 09:38 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Reprints of tweets of [b]JOURNALISTS{/b] seeing human shields in use

Picture of Rocket fired from population center

INDIAN news team reporting on rockets assembled and fired near hotel

I threw up a post about how HAMAS doctored one video already about no supposed "Warning" shots earlier, this is three more examples. Blazer, i honestly don't know .. at this rate, either you're intentionally trolling, you're intentionally being obtuse about what HAMAS does, or you are truly anti-Israel no matter what the truth puts in front of your eyes.

These links have to do with firing missiles from areas with civilians. That's not really what is at the heart of the human shield debate. Of course, there's nowhere in Gaza where Hamas could go even if they wanted to protect civilians (and I'm not arguing that they do).

Now, i just posted numerous links that are much more damning of Israel. Are you being intentionally obtuse about what Israel is guilty of? They have been caught using human shields literally thousands of times. How can people continue to excuse civilian casualties using the Hamas human shield argument, when Israel is absolutely guilty of that?

That's exactly what it's about Blazer.
They're firing rockets from areas in population centers (aka HUMAN SHIELDS!)

But it gets even more interesting now: Have the deaths on civilians been STAGED by the HAMAS? According to the Telegraph, that's what's been happening Hamas staging the impact of Israeli attacks

And no, I read the posts you wrote Blazer, but I guess you ignored the fact that IDF soldiers that was found to do those items were found guilty and punished by ISRAEL'S COURT, and the anti-Israel crowd says "See They're Bad! Bad Israel!".

(note not one person on here has said "Israel was in the right" in the proven cases!)

HAMAS does it and the anti-Israel crowd goes... BAD ISRAEL!!! IT's your fault!

Double standard much in your world?

(08-05-2014 08:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So let me get this straight. Hamas can sneak 300 bombs into Gaza but they leave there manuals lying around? Damn some people are so gullible.

Things like that happen all the time in combat.