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Why are Fleck's motives always being questioned? Coaches want the best player on the field to give the team the best chance to win. Its basic self interest, winning is more important than some BS about "his players". Now if you have a senior or junior QB who is marginally better than a freshman who you think has vastly more potential it might be better to get him in earlier. But in this situation you are talking about a Freshman v Sophomore. Either of these guys should conceivably be starting for multiple seasons.

The only time I remember an argument for QB being shoehorned into a starting spot was Ryan Cubit being handed the job over Blayne Baggett and then forcing a RS onto Hiller so he could start again as a SR.

(08-05-2014 10:44 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Two guys whose judgment I trust saw Stewart play and said he was very good in HS.

So I hope he has great career at WMU.

Still...his HS team never won a championship or playoff game (and SMAC-East not exactly the OK-Red), he completed only 52% of his passes as a Senior. In fact his best season was as a Sophomore.

And yes I know supporting cast has a lot to do with it.

Just a little question in back of my mind.

Maybe he had better receivers as a sophomore. Perhaps he had a better line protecting him then, as they did have an Olineman who got a D1 scholly. There was also a controversial coaching change at Sturgis. The team he played on as a senior might have been Gawd awful and he might have been the one thing that brought them to the playoffs.

When throwing to D1 caliber receivers in camps a number of D1 coaches thought he BCS level skills.

I don't think we can simply look at their record and conclude he's not ready. If that were the case we'd only need to recruit the QBs at Portage Central and Farmington Hills and call it good.

I have a friend who coaches hoops in the SMAC. He's seen Seth Dugan play a few times and wasn't impressed. This guy started on a D1 team. I trust the 15 D1 coaches who offered more than I trust his judgement.

Lowell has had some awesome teams and their success was attributed to great QBs, both ended at other positions in college.

Bottom line I more faith in coaches evaluating him at camps than I do in looking at his teams record, or taking the word of a few coaches who watched him and his team play.

If you ever watched Sturgis' 7-on-7 team, you'd understand why Stewart's completion percentage was 52%. That's also why he started playing on other 7-on-7 teams last summer, so as not to limit himself and get some better experience. Pretty sure he played with Core 6 (based out of Chicago) down in FL on at least a couple occasions.

Like I said, I understand supporting cast.

Hopefully he proves Fleck's judgment correct, and he has a great career for us.

Andrew Maxwell got offered by MSU mostly on basis of one stellar performance at a combine.

I coached against him for four years, thought he was a MAC QB at best. The Ithaca QB who committed to Toledo and switched to Wake Forest this February was better.

That's the danger of falling in love with kids on how they perform when the bullets aren't flying.

FWIW another friend of mine who coached both HS and college (WMU, U-M) for 20 years who has seen both believes Wassink has much better college potential. Hopefully we can keep-sign him.

Also most people believe Lowell's success has been attributable to their program, not that they're a QB factory.

If anything the one constant with them is dominating line play.

(08-05-2014 01:55 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Like I said, I understand supporting cast.

Hopefully he proves Fleck's judgment correct, and he has a great career for us.

Andrew Maxwell got offered by MSU mostly on basis of one stellar performance at a combine.

I coached against him for four years, thought he was a MAC QB at best. The Ithaca QB who committed to Toledo and switched to Wake Forest this February was better.

That's the danger of falling in love with kids on how they perform when the bullets aren't flying.

Also most people believe Lowell's success has been attributable to their program, not that they're a QB factory.

If anything the one constant with them is dominating line play.

And maybe Lowell's dominating line play made their QB look like a 4 star can't miss QB that even had Oklahoma drooling.

This stuff is all subjective, but you can't teach 6'5", a strong arm, and athletic.

Lets not start downgrading Stewart. He's a very solid QB. Tons of tools, and according to those that know him, solid football acumen.

Recruiting is a crap shoot to a degree, its about FIT and DRIVE most of the time. Having Wassink come in right after Stewart is very interesting. While Stewart is Flecks "guy" with a RS on Wassink he might be the "next coaches guy". Might be a great scenario to walk into.

(08-05-2014 01:59 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  This stuff is all subjective, but you can't teach 6'5", a strong arm, and athletic.

True.

One thing I have heard about Stewart though is that on the football field is he's not that athletic.

But that could've been related to scheme and protection.

We'll have to wait and see.

Again - hope he proves to be the "real deal."

(08-05-2014 02:33 PM)Doo Wrote:  Lets not start downgrading Stewart.

,,,or Terrell?

He does have advantage of year's game experience and coaching in our system.

(08-05-2014 02:33 PM)Doo Wrote:  Lets not start downgrading Stewart. He's a very solid QB. Tons of tools, and according to those that know him, solid football acumen.

Recruiting is a crap shoot to a degree, its about FIT and DRIVE most of the time. Having Wassink come in right after Stewart is very interesting. While Stewart is Flecks "guy" with a RS on Wassink he might be the "next coaches guy". Might be a great scenario to walk into.

Coaches add at least one QB in every recruiting class. SOP.

(08-05-2014 01:59 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  ...you can't teach 6'5", a strong arm, and athletic.

A Trifecta of Platitudes!

(08-05-2014 02:54 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 02:33 PM)Doo Wrote:  Lets not start downgrading Stewart. He's a very solid QB. Tons of tools, and according to those that know him, solid football acumen.

Recruiting is a crap shoot to a degree, its about FIT and DRIVE most of the time. Having Wassink come in right after Stewart is very interesting. While Stewart is Flecks "guy" with a RS on Wassink he might be the "next coaches guy". Might be a great scenario to walk into.

Coaches add at least one QB in every recruiting class. SOP.

Not always, but your point is taken. I wasnt stating that it was odd they took another QB but that was neat for us to have 2 HT QBs back to back.

(08-05-2014 03:56 PM)Doo Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 02:54 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 02:33 PM)Doo Wrote:  Lets not start downgrading Stewart. He's a very solid QB. Tons of tools, and according to those that know him, solid football acumen.

Recruiting is a crap shoot to a degree, its about FIT and DRIVE most of the time. Having Wassink come in right after Stewart is very interesting. While Stewart is Flecks "guy" with a RS on Wassink he might be the "next coaches guy". Might be a great scenario to walk into.

Coaches add at least one QB in every recruiting class. SOP.

Not always, but your point is taken. I wasnt stating that it was odd they took another QB but that was neat for us to have 2 HT QBs back to back.

There is something to be said for Wassink. Nothing like having a QB who when things start to breakdown can scramble out of the pocket looking for receivers or tucking it and running. Not sure you gonna get that with Stewart. You could also run the option with Wassink, Stewart not so much. Like the possibilities of being able to use both though.