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ESPN and ACC Network Talks "encouraging"

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-expansion

"Deepening the conference network intrigue is the ACC, which is eyeing its own 24-hour network starting in 2017.

ESPN has to reciprocate that eagerness, but a source with direct knowledge of the process said talks between the sides have been encouraging.

No doubt the SEC's early distribution returns would help the ACC immensely."

Odd to me, that are still people out there that think the ACC won't have a network. It will happen and it will be 2016 or 2017.
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ESPN and ACC Network Talks "encouraging"
It's mostly the inbred, tin foil hat wearing types that hang out on the WVU board that swear by all things holy that the acc will never have a network and implode after 10 or 12 member schools challenge the GOR (that they willingly signed) in court.

Clay Travis, while not a WVU guy, can be included in that merry band of morons.


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RE: ESPN and ACC Network Talks "encouraging"
With Sinclair stepping into and wanting sports distribution, it will be interesting how all this evolves for CUSA, which has its tv contract coming up in two years.

It is obvious the way these conference dedicated networks are coming on board, and this might open up new platforms for the NonBCS conferences. The best example being, of course, Sinclair which is taking Raycom's place if you will...but on an expanded scale as witnessed by the recent Sinclair/CUSA agreement.
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RE: ESPN and ACC Network Talks "encouraging"
Maybe someone from Florida State who was in one of those meetings with Swofford where he was saying he was going to get his schools big money, SEC-like money, will come out and confirm that there was always a timeline in place, down the line and not immediate, concerning the terms of the media contract that broiled them to begin with.

I don't think the ACC is doomed regardless of how long this network takes, but I do think you had an academically-minded and ACC apologist of a now former president doing all in his power to keep his Seminoles out of the Big XII and SEC, and succeed in convincing a bunch of people it was worthwhile for the school to decline more money and stay the course.

It's fine and it is what it is...but the gap between revenue coming into Gainesville and Tallahassee will only widen, and it's not one I think FSU can truly close in its present course.

All I know is...it's not Barron's problem anymore. He's back at a school that will never have to worry about this for years to come, and where his stakeholders won't need to be wooed by a commissioner and fancy PowerPoint presentations, graphs, and charts.
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The $ between the ACC & the Big 12 aren't that great. Plus everyone has to take a back seat to Texas. IMO Florida St is better off in the ACC than the Big 12.

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(08-03-2014 09:16 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The $ between the ACC & the Big 12 aren't that great. Plus everyone has to take a back seat to Texas. IMO Florida St is better off in the ACC than the Big 12.

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FSU is better off in the ACC because they really do care more about playing for the national title than maximizing dollars, and the ACC of today is like the ACC of the 90s - it offers any good FSU team smooth sailing to. Top-4 ranking.

I mean, does anyone think there's any chance at all FSU misses the playoffs this year? The ACC offers no obstacles, just like last year.

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(08-03-2014 10:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 09:16 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  The $ between the ACC & the Big 12 aren't that great. Plus everyone has to take a back seat to Texas. IMO Florida St is better off in the ACC than the Big 12.

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FSU is better off in the ACC because they really do care more about playing for the national title than maximizing dollars, and the ACC of today is like the ACC of the 90s - it offers any good FSU team smooth sailing to. Top-4 ranking.

I mean, does anyone think there's any chance at all FSU misses the playoffs this year? The ACC offers no obstacles, just like last year.

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First time I have ever seen a timeline for an Acc network to launch. 2017.
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ive always heard 2016 or 17 on the other cuse board
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makes sense too since you don't really want to get the pushback from cable companies if your espn after just launching sec network so a few years later while our digital is second to none
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(08-03-2014 08:53 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  With Sinclair stepping into and wanting sports distribution, it will be interesting how all this evolves for CUSA, which has its tv contract coming up in two years.

It is obvious the way these conference dedicated networks are coming on board, and this might open up new platforms for the NonBCS conferences. The best example being, of course, Sinclair which is taking Raycom's place if you will...but on an expanded scale as witnessed by the recent Sinclair/CUSA agreement.

I'd like to see Sinclair not just syndicate during game time, but to create an actual 24/7 dedicated channel on OTA. If ME-TV, Bounce, etc can get good enough ratings showing old movies and shows, then Sinclair creating a dedicated new sub-channel to be the free "ESPN" of antenna TV would be a home run I think. There would be plenty of content to fill up the time slots with G5, FCS College Conferences of all sports and then minor league baseball, minor league hockey, indoor football etc. create a studio show of highlights and there you go....


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RE: ESPN and ACC Network Talks "encouraging"
Stupid question time: What is Sinclair?
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(08-03-2014 08:10 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Stupid question time: What is Sinclair?

A poor man's national network of OTA channels (some major Networks (ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS) and other digital sub tier channels like WB/Bounce/etc...
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(08-03-2014 08:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:10 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Stupid question time: What is Sinclair?

A poor man's national network of OTA channels (some major Networks (ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS) and other digital sub tier channels like WB/Bounce/etc...

I would compare Sinclair to what Raycom was 30 years ago.
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(08-03-2014 08:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:10 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Stupid question time: What is Sinclair?

A poor man's national network of OTA channels (some major Networks (ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS) and other digital sub tier channels like WB/Bounce/etc...

I would compare Sinclair to what Raycom was 30 years ago.

Except that 30 years ago, Raycom was syndicating sports to OTA channels in an era before everyone had cable, and way before everyone had 100 channels on their set like they do now. Then, Raycom was placing sports on the 6th or 7th most-watched channel in the typical TV home, because there were often only 6 or 7 channels available. Today, those lesser OTA channels are lucky if they are the 66th or 77th most-watched channel in any given TV home that has cable or satellite.
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(08-03-2014 10:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:10 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Stupid question time: What is Sinclair?

A poor man's national network of OTA channels (some major Networks (ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS) and other digital sub tier channels like WB/Bounce/etc...

I would compare Sinclair to what Raycom was 30 years ago.

Except that 30 years ago, Raycom was syndicating sports to OTA channels in an era before everyone had cable, and way before everyone had 100 channels on their set like they do now. Then, Raycom was placing sports on the 6th or 7th most-watched channel in the typical TV home, because there were often only 6 or 7 channels available. Today, those lesser OTA channels are lucky if they are the 66th or 77th most-watched channel in any given TV home that has cable or satellite.

For the 65 million people who have no cable because they have recently cut it or never get it, those OTA channels are still in the Top 6 or 7.

The new generation of kids are graduating college and used to using NetFlix and the majority will never get cable. Thats what the research shows. The middle aged families are cutting cable. Only the 50-70 year old demographic is hunkered down with cable.
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(08-03-2014 10:39 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 10:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:10 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Stupid question time: What is Sinclair?

A poor man's national network of OTA channels (some major Networks (ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS) and other digital sub tier channels like WB/Bounce/etc...

I would compare Sinclair to what Raycom was 30 years ago.

Except that 30 years ago, Raycom was syndicating sports to OTA channels in an era before everyone had cable, and way before everyone had 100 channels on their set like they do now. Then, Raycom was placing sports on the 6th or 7th most-watched channel in the typical TV home, because there were often only 6 or 7 channels available. Today, those lesser OTA channels are lucky if they are the 66th or 77th most-watched channel in any given TV home that has cable or satellite.

For the 65 million people who have no cable because they have recently cut it or never get it, those OTA channels are still in the Top 6 or 7.

Not that many households with TV but no cable. Nielsen said in 2012 there were 114.7 million U.S. households with TV. Of those, about 10 percent have no cable/satellite subscription, meaning about 11.5 million households with TV but no cable/satellite.

And the cord-cutters and no-cable TV homes are nearly all non-sports watchers. If they watch much TV at all, the cord cutters are using Hulu and Netflix to watch "The Daily Show" or "Breaking Bad". They're not searching for televised sports on OTA channel 57. The sports watchers curse Comcast and DirecTV, but stay on for ESPN or NFL Sunday Ticket or whatever.
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Not to sound pessimistic on this, but wake me up when there is something more concrete regarding the potential network.
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(08-03-2014 11:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 10:39 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 10:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:55 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  A poor man's national network of OTA channels (some major Networks (ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS) and other digital sub tier channels like WB/Bounce/etc...

I would compare Sinclair to what Raycom was 30 years ago.

Except that 30 years ago, Raycom was syndicating sports to OTA channels in an era before everyone had cable, and way before everyone had 100 channels on their set like they do now. Then, Raycom was placing sports on the 6th or 7th most-watched channel in the typical TV home, because there were often only 6 or 7 channels available. Today, those lesser OTA channels are lucky if they are the 66th or 77th most-watched channel in any given TV home that has cable or satellite.

For the 65 million people who have no cable because they have recently cut it or never get it, those OTA channels are still in the Top 6 or 7.

Not that many households with TV but no cable. Nielsen said in 2012 there were 114.7 million U.S. households with TV. Of those, about 10 percent have no cable/satellite subscription, meaning about 11.5 million households with TV but no cable/satellite.

And the cord-cutters and no-cable TV homes are nearly all non-sports watchers. If they watch much TV at all, the cord cutters are using Hulu and Netflix to watch "The Daily Show" or "Breaking Bad". They're not searching for televised sports on OTA channel 57. The sports watchers curse Comcast and DirecTV, but stay on for ESPN or NFL Sunday Ticket or whatever.

Your information is off.

CBS/ABC/NBC all have distribution of around 128 million households.

http://rabbitears.info/search.php?request=network_list

ESPN has distribution of 95 million households. That means 33 million households (65 million people) use antenna only.

These numbers are easy to validate and the gap is increasing as ESPN subs have fallen 3 straight years while population growth and household formation has increased.

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(08-03-2014 08:07 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(08-03-2014 08:53 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  With Sinclair stepping into and wanting sports distribution, it will be interesting how all this evolves for CUSA, which has its tv contract coming up in two years.

It is obvious the way these conference dedicated networks are coming on board, and this might open up new platforms for the NonBCS conferences. The best example being, of course, Sinclair which is taking Raycom's place if you will...but on an expanded scale as witnessed by the recent Sinclair/CUSA agreement.

I'd like to see Sinclair not just syndicate during game time, but to create an actual 24/7 dedicated channel on OTA. If ME-TV, Bounce, etc can get good enough ratings showing old movies and shows, then Sinclair creating a dedicated new sub-channel to be the free "ESPN" of antenna TV would be a home run I think. There would be plenty of content to fill up the time slots with G5, FCS College Conferences of all sports and then minor league baseball, minor league hockey, indoor football etc. create a studio show of highlights and there you go....


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I've been thinking the same thing for the past year now.
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