Is Texas -26.5 too high? With a brand new coach and several Texas dismissals I think that game is a lot closer.

I know North Texas has to replace quite a bit on O, but maybe they pull the upset. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

I'd take the points.

Edit: it's come down to -24.5

I would've guessed the line at 17 or 18. So, yeah I'd take UNT and the points at 24.5

the players that Texas has lost were not starters for the most part and Turner the one that was at a position of most need was let back on to the team recently

Texas under Mack Brown was soft and had no instinct to come out of the gate playing hard from the first play on.....they let the other team dictate the flow of the game and reacted to it that will not be the case now

Texas last year was a much better team talent wise on defense than they showed and the dramatic improvement with the change for Diaz to Robinson and the change in schemes mid season and the elevated performance shows that and those schemes were not even that complex and Texas players were still out of position sometimes and lined up wrong, but the tackling and fundamentals and aggression were much improved

Texas will be coming out with something to prove and there will be no holding back on plays or the playbook either so that future teams don't have things to see on film

the Texas crowd is usually pretty timid and distracted as well and they have never been "into" the game especially with the expanded stajium because it was always under Mack Brown that gave them nothing to get really excited about......it should be vastly different this time around and this game in particular with fans wanting and ready for a change and that will be a factor as well

add in that north Texas state lost a ton of their play makers and they had some coaching changes as well and this is a bad time to roll into Texas expecting to have an upset or to catch Texas unprepared or uninspired

(08-02-2014 06:52 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Is Texas -26.5 too high? With a brand new coach and several Texas dismissals I think that game is a lot closer.

I know North Texas has to replace quite a bit on O, but maybe they pull the upset. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

strong has no problem RUTS...i wouldnt touch this game.

If I could have gotten it at 26.5 I might have considered it, but every point it drops would give me pause.

I think UNT will beat them.

Texas is vastly overrated every year just because of the size of their program. Texas Tech is the best program in the state now that Manziel is gone.

(08-02-2014 04:14 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  I think UNT will beat them.

Texas is vastly overrated every year just because of the size of their program. Texas Tech is the best program in the state now that Manziel is gone.

Um...what?

Also...what?

Calling a three and half TD dog to win outright is crazy, but it could happen.

You are high off your ass if you think that Texas Tech is the 1st or even 2nd best program in Texas(they're arguably no better than 4th) right now.

Texas Tech in the last five years:

0-5 against Texas
2-3 against aTm
2-3 against Baylor

(08-02-2014 04:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 04:14 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  I think UNT will beat them.

Texas is vastly overrated every year just because of the size of their program. Texas Tech is the best program in the state now that Manziel is gone.

Um...what?

Also...what?

Calling a three and half TD dog to win outright is crazy, but it could happen.

You are high off your ass if you think that Texas Tech is the 1st or even 2nd best program in Texas(they're arguably no better than 4th) right now.

Texas Tech in the last five years:

0-5 against Texas
2-3 against aTm
2-3 against Baylor

I didn't say they've been the best in the last five years. I said they are the best NOW, meaning this year. Underrated, definitely. Texas and aTm are overrated as usual.

disclaimer: not an expert and like to make controversial picks and statements.

(08-02-2014 11:42 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the players that Texas has lost were not starters for the most part and Turner the one that was at a position of most need was let back on to the team recently

Texas under Mack Brown was soft and had no instinct to come out of the gate playing hard from the first play on.....they let the other team dictate the flow of the game and reacted to it that will not be the case now

Texas last year was a much better team talent wise on defense than they showed and the dramatic improvement with the change for Diaz to Robinson and the change in schemes mid season and the elevated performance shows that and those schemes were not even that complex and Texas players were still out of position sometimes and lined up wrong, but the tackling and fundamentals and aggression were much improved

Texas will be coming out with something to prove and there will be no holding back on plays or the playbook either so that future teams don't have things to see on film

the Texas crowd is usually pretty timid and distracted as well and they have never been "into" the game especially with the expanded stajium because it was always under Mack Brown that gave them nothing to get really excited about......it should be vastly different this time around and this game in particular with fans wanting and ready for a change and that will be a factor as well

add in that north Texas state lost a ton of their play makers and they had some coaching changes as well and this is a bad time to roll into Texas expecting to have an upset or to catch Texas unprepared or uninspired

Texas was mediocre at best last year. I saw a one legged BYU QB (he had a brace on) run through the Long Horns’ D like steaks at a buffet. Last year was no aberration when you consider a bad Iowa St team should have beaten Texas. However, I agree that Texas should play Strong-er on D this year. Nevertheless, Baylor, OU, OSU, UCLA, and maybe BYU should still beat the Long Horns. I see Texas going 8-4 at best….

(08-02-2014 04:51 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 04:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 04:14 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  I think UNT will beat them.

Texas is vastly overrated every year just because of the size of their program. Texas Tech is the best program in the state now that Manziel is gone.

Um...what?

Also...what?

Calling a three and half TD dog to win outright is crazy, but it could happen.

You are high off your ass if you think that Texas Tech is the 1st or even 2nd best program in Texas(they're arguably no better than 4th) right now.

Texas Tech in the last five years:

0-5 against Texas
2-3 against aTm
2-3 against Baylor

I didn't say they've been the best in the last five years. I said they are the best NOW, meaning this year. Underrated, definitely. Texas and aTm are overrated as usual.

disclaimer: not an expert and like to make controversial picks and statements.

To me, best program implies more than just one year, lest you think a program is constantly redefined from one year to the next. Furthermore, we've yet to see aTm as an SEC program(or Kevin Sumlin coached team for that matter) without JFF. I'm not sure how the departure of one great player makes them automatically overrated.

(08-02-2014 05:27 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 11:42 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the players that Texas has lost were not starters for the most part and Turner the one that was at a position of most need was let back on to the team recently

Texas under Mack Brown was soft and had no instinct to come out of the gate playing hard from the first play on.....they let the other team dictate the flow of the game and reacted to it that will not be the case now

Texas last year was a much better team talent wise on defense than they showed and the dramatic improvement with the change for Diaz to Robinson and the change in schemes mid season and the elevated performance shows that and those schemes were not even that complex and Texas players were still out of position sometimes and lined up wrong, but the tackling and fundamentals and aggression were much improved

Texas will be coming out with something to prove and there will be no holding back on plays or the playbook either so that future teams don't have things to see on film

the Texas crowd is usually pretty timid and distracted as well and they have never been "into" the game especially with the expanded stajium because it was always under Mack Brown that gave them nothing to get really excited about......it should be vastly different this time around and this game in particular with fans wanting and ready for a change and that will be a factor as well

add in that north Texas state lost a ton of their play makers and they had some coaching changes as well and this is a bad time to roll into Texas expecting to have an upset or to catch Texas unprepared or uninspired

Texas was mediocre at best last year. I saw a one legged BYU QB (he had a brace on) run through the Long Horns’ D like steaks at a buffet. Last year was no aberration when you consider a bad Iowa St team should have beaten Texas. However, I agree that Texas should play Strong-er on D this year. Nevertheless, Baylor, OU, OSU, UCLA, and maybe BYU should still beat the Long Horns. I see Texas going 8-4 at best….

and as pointed out the BYU game was with Diaz as DC and I clearly stated after GR took over

what about the OU game how did Texas and the Texas D play in that game?

and 8-4 would be a great season for many teams, but not Texas of course even with a new coach and a ton of attrition......and if Texas goes to a bowl game as 8-4 and wins say against a powerhouse like Duke and ends up 9-4 they would be one of the greatest teams in earth in the history of evAR and that is not even having Johnny Money Fone Manzel Football Del Futbol as QB

so again while 8-4 would not be amazing for Texas or a school with standards like Texas if there is a bowl win there as well it would be an earth shattering amazing type season for some schools especially with a new coach and a ton of turnover in players

the change over on D took place in the middle of the season and it was still under the head coaching of Mack Brown and the results were immediate and clear to see even with all of that factored in

getting rid of the trash, having a full off season to coach them properly and having a coach that holds players accountable instead of holding their hand will make a major difference especially in D

if they can keep a decent QB and have decent QB play they could do better than 8-4 that is the big question mark though

(08-02-2014 05:36 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 05:27 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 11:42 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the players that Texas has lost were not starters for the most part and Turner the one that was at a position of most need was let back on to the team recently

Texas under Mack Brown was soft and had no instinct to come out of the gate playing hard from the first play on.....they let the other team dictate the flow of the game and reacted to it that will not be the case now

Texas last year was a much better team talent wise on defense than they showed and the dramatic improvement with the change for Diaz to Robinson and the change in schemes mid season and the elevated performance shows that and those schemes were not even that complex and Texas players were still out of position sometimes and lined up wrong, but the tackling and fundamentals and aggression were much improved

Texas will be coming out with something to prove and there will be no holding back on plays or the playbook either so that future teams don't have things to see on film

the Texas crowd is usually pretty timid and distracted as well and they have never been "into" the game especially with the expanded stajium because it was always under Mack Brown that gave them nothing to get really excited about......it should be vastly different this time around and this game in particular with fans wanting and ready for a change and that will be a factor as well

add in that north Texas state lost a ton of their play makers and they had some coaching changes as well and this is a bad time to roll into Texas expecting to have an upset or to catch Texas unprepared or uninspired

Texas was mediocre at best last year. I saw a one legged BYU QB (he had a brace on) run through the Long Horns’ D like steaks at a buffet. Last year was no aberration when you consider a bad Iowa St team should have beaten Texas. However, I agree that Texas should play Strong-er on D this year. Nevertheless, Baylor, OU, OSU, UCLA, and maybe BYU should still beat the Long Horns. I see Texas going 8-4 at best….

and as pointed out the BYU game was with Diaz as DC and I clearly stated after GR took over

what about the OU game how did Texas and the Texas D play in that game?

and 8-4 would be a great season for many teams, but not Texas of course even with a new coach and a ton of attrition......and if Texas goes to a bowl game as 8-4 and wins say against a powerhouse like Duke and ends up 9-4 they would be one of the greatest teams in earth in the history of evAR and that is not even having Johnny Money Fone Manzel Football Del Futbol as QB

so again while 8-4 would not be amazing for Texas or a school with standards like Texas if there is a bowl win there as well it would be an earth shattering amazing type season for some schools especially with a new coach and a ton of turnover in players

the change over on D took place in the middle of the season and it was still under the head coaching of Mack Brown and the results were immediate and clear to see even with all of that factored in

getting rid of the trash, having a full off season to coach them properly and having a coach that holds players accountable instead of holding their hand will make a major difference especially in D

if they can keep a decent QB and have decent QB play they could do better than 8-4 that is the big question mark though

I totally agree….which is why Strong will be gone in two or three years. Opening 2015 at ND with a loss will all but assure Strong will not get a contract extension.

(08-02-2014 04:14 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  I think UNT will beat them.

Texas is vastly overrated every year just because of the size of their program. Texas Tech is the best program in the state now that Manziel is gone.

That line moving this early probably means the general public jumped on unt. Everything about this spread screams pick unt, so my guess is Texas covers. Vegas didn't make money bc it can't set lines.

And no to Texas tech. Simply no. Baylor, Texas, and A&M are probably all better. Maybe tech jumps one or two of them this one year, but not all 3. Not playing defense isn't a recipe for winning.

(08-02-2014 04:51 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 04:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 04:14 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  I think UNT will beat them.

Texas is vastly overrated every year just because of the size of their program. Texas Tech is the best program in the state now that Manziel is gone.

Um...what?

Also...what?

Calling a three and half TD dog to win outright is crazy, but it could happen.

You are high off your ass if you think that Texas Tech is the 1st or even 2nd best program in Texas(they're arguably no better than 4th) right now.

Texas Tech in the last five years:

0-5 against Texas
2-3 against aTm
2-3 against Baylor

I didn't say they've been the best in the last five years. I said they are the best NOW, meaning this year. Underrated, definitely. Texas and aTm are overrated as usual.

disclaimer: not an expert and like to make controversial picks and statements.

I'm with MTPiKapp in saying you're off your rocker. Texas' weakness the last several years has been their coach. He's gone and they have a new coach now. And even despite their coaching shortcomings, they've still consistently beaten Tech anyway. So why would it change now? And how is Texas Tech suddenly better now that a coach who has held UT back is gone?

Recruiting perhaps? Does Tech have better talent? Let's look at their last 5 recruiting classes, as ranked by Rivals...

2010... Texas #3 nationally, Texas Tech #41
2011... Texas #3 nationally, Texas Tech #20
2012... Texas #2 nationally, Texas Tech #26
2013... Texas #24 nationally, Texas Tech #51
2014... Texas #20 nationally, Texas Tech #43

Texas obviously has more talent. So how did you arrive at your conclusion that Texas Tech is better? Do you think Strong is a worse coach than Mac? If so, on what basis did you come to that conclusion? And if that's not it either, you really have some explaining to do.

So disclaimers aside, by all means, please do tell us just how UNT will beat Texas in front of 100,000 fans in Austin, and tell us why Tech also has a better team than UT.

North Texas vs Texas Tech

North Texas 4 Texas Tech 4
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/...eamid=3211

Ive bet college football for a long time, and this is a game that I will stay away from. There is just too much unknown and any odds maker at this point is throwing darts at a board.

Lets really think about this. UNT's top unit is their OL, which unfortunately goes against UT top unit (and what is probably one of the top DL's in the country). Any advantage UNT might get from their OL is negated by the UT DL. UNT's biggest concern on O is the QB spot, which once again plays into UT's fairly athletic secondary. Then we move to the UT O. UNT does not have the experience in the front 7 they had last year and will more than likely will be unable to get to the QB or stifle the run game as expected. On the flip side, the largest unknown on the UT O will be their OL. So we are looking at essentially many units playing to a stalemate.

This sounds great for UNT until you realize that that leads this to an who can out athlete who matchup. That is a scary proposition for UNT. I would love to see UNT win or even cover the spread, but this game does not have the hallmarks of what you look for in a potential major upset. I just dont see it and will keep my money in my pocket for this one.

Texas has much more depth at all positions. Case closed.

Interesting observation about this thread:

No UNT fan has picked or suggested UNT over UT.