This is a B1G coach taking the shot, but all conferences have been guilty of utilizing coaches and AD's as mouthpieces. Little risk in using IU to take the first shot here as they will not be a B1G contendor this year, right? I think this will get very interesting this year as the FBS conferences position and lobby for the 4 playoff spots!

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MT @McMurphyESPN: Kevin Wilson compares B12, ND not having 13th game to golfer playing 17: “They post score but didn’t have to play No. 18"
9:38 AM - 31 Jul 2014

Wilson, a former offensive coordinator at Oklahoma, suggested the Big 12 is avoiding a challenge that is embraced by the Big Ten, ACC, Pac-12 and SEC with a conference championship game. Not playing the game gives the Big 12 a competitive advantage. To drive his point home, Wilson made a golf reference that suggests Big 12 schools and Notre Dame are playing the equivalent of 17 holes while the ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC are playing the entire back nine.

Wait a minute. I thought not having a CCG put the Big 12 at a competitive disadvantage! Make up your minds, people!

Interesting, you could call this foreshadowing of events to come.

Is Wilson arguing that any school that doesn't play in a CCG should be left out of a playoff? Would that include, for example, Alabama last year? Not saying I disagree with that, but how is it different than an 11-1 Oklahoma or Baylor not playing one?

Politicking has begun early.

I don't think for a second you have a coach being used as a mouthpiece. You hear a ton of things from coaches and usually they don't have a clue of the larger opinions (or disagree) of the schools/conferences.

Examples: 1. Saban wants all power 5 opponents. The AD will never give him that.
2. Coaches talked a lot about realignment. Never once did I hear anything new revealed by them and somethings mentioned were clearly way outside of what was realistically going to happen.

While I'm a Big Ten fan, I'm going to side with the Big 12 here anyway. No one forced the other conferences to expand and add a CCG. In fact, I'd say the Big 12 format is the best one out there by far for determining an actual champ.

I don't think the IU coach is on an island here. You also have the Iowa head coach throwing out the salvo of a 10 game conference schedule. The fact that these comments were made right on the heels of the B1G media days is at best coincidence, but it is reasonable to assume they are coordinated.

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To the point about Bama, I think the analogy is fair. In a 4 team playoff, winning the conference should account for something if the goal is to retain the importance of the regular season. The argument that the IU coach is presenting is that the eventual conference champion for the BIG12 will have played 1 less game, regardless of who it is.

The football coach at Indiana is talking about conference title games and national playoffs.

Alrighty then.

(08-01-2014 11:10 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  This is a B1G coach taking the shot, but all conferences have been guilty of utilizing coaches and AD's as mouthpieces. Little risk in using IU to take the first shot here as they will not be a B1G contendor this year, right? I think this will get very interesting this year as the FBS conferences position and lobby for the 4 playoff spots!

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...otre-dame/

MT @McMurphyESPN: Kevin Wilson compares B12, ND not having 13th game to golfer playing 17: “They post score but didn’t have to play No. 18"
9:38 AM - 31 Jul 2014

Wilson, a former offensive coordinator at Oklahoma, suggested the Big 12 is avoiding a challenge that is embraced by the Big Ten, ACC, Pac-12 and SEC with a conference championship game. Not playing the game gives the Big 12 a competitive advantage. To drive his point home, Wilson made a golf reference that suggests Big 12 schools and Notre Dame are playing the equivalent of 17 holes while the ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC are playing the entire back nine.

B12 coaches unanimously respond: "Kevin, let us know when you get off the first tee box!.....and not the from the red tees!"

(08-01-2014 11:45 AM)Wedge Wrote:The football coach at Indiana is talking about conference title games and national playoffs.

Alrighty then.

Ironic, isn't it?

(08-01-2014 11:44 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  I don't think the IU coach is on an island here. You also have the Iowa head coach throwing out the salvo of a 10 game conference schedule. The fact that these comments were made right on the heels of the B1G media days is at best coincidence, but it is reasonable to assume they are coordinated.

I have to disagree. I think the most likely reason they are together is that it is media day and everyone is being asked more questions which are reported back. I really can't see the conference deciding to bad mouth another conference.

(08-01-2014 11:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 11:45 AM)Wedge pi :4503 Wrote:The football coach at Indiana is talking about conference title games and national playoffs.

Alrighty then.

Ironic, isn't it?

Coming up next at Big Ten media days: Northwestern's basketball coach tells us what he doesn't like about the Final Four.

This is what I DETEST about college football - the overtly political aspect of things. This is the result a sport using popular opinion polling to help determine its national champion. Just expand the playoff already with each of the Power 5 leagues' champs earning automatic bids and a lot of stuff like this will quickly go away.

It will bite both ways. But at the very least, the ATTENTION to the issue will help public perception not have the knee jerk "but they only lost 1!!!" reaction when they compare the Big 12 champ to any of the other conference champs.

They may skate by in a year when no one else is undefeated (and the Big 12 champ is) or if no one else has just 1 loss (and the Big 12 champ does). And they may benefit by playing only 12 (whereas Ohio State went from #2 and in the BCS title game to clearly out of even the playoff hunt, had last year been a playoff year, because of a CCG).

They may get screwed in years (like last year, hypothetically) when the 4th playoff participant is boosted by a CCG while they only had 12 games (MSU skyrocketed from 10th to 4th when beating #2 OSU).

(08-01-2014 11:45 AM)Wedge Wrote:  The football coach at Indiana is talking about conference title games and national playoffs.

Alrighty then.

True but I would bet Wilson is only publically commenting on what the majority of his fellow conference coaches have discussed in the meetings, conference calls and whatnot. I highly doubt he is a man on an island here. A lot of times when stuff like this is said (in sports and even in the business world) it is the guy on the bottom who throws this stuff out to see how it sticks. If someone of the stature of Urban Meyer had made this statement it would be much more controversial and could potential blow up in in the lobbying party's face.

(08-01-2014 12:18 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  It will bite both ways. But at the very least, the ATTENTION to the issue will help public perception not have the knee jerk "but they only lost 1!!!" reaction when they compare the Big 12 champ to any of the other conference champs.

They may skate by in a year when no one else is undefeated (and the Big 12 champ is) or if no one else has just 1 loss (and the Big 12 champ does). And they may benefit by playing only 12 (whereas Ohio State went from #2 and in the BCS title game to clearly out of even the playoff hunt, had last year been a playoff year, because of a CCG).

They may get screwed in years (like last year, hypothetically) when the 4th playoff participant is boosted by a CCG while they only had 12 games (MSU skyrocketed from 10th to 4th when beating #2 OSU).

Don't get this argument. Wouldn't one B1G team (MSU) just have replaced another B1G team (OSU)? Without a CCG the B1G would still have had a seat at the table. Now, nobody can say for sure how voting (or selection committee deliberations) would have gone if there had been a playoff last year. Maybe a selection committee decides the MSU win over OSU is only worth a boost to #6. In that case, having a CCG hurts.

(08-01-2014 12:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 11:45 AM)Wedge Wrote:  The football coach at Indiana is talking about conference title games and national playoffs.

Alrighty then.

True but I would bet Wilson is only publically commenting on what the majority of his fellow conference coaches have discussed in the meetings, conference calls and whatnot. I highly doubt he is a man on an island here. A lot of times when stuff like this is said (in sports and even in the business world) it is the guy on the bottom who throws this stuff out to see how it sticks. If someone of the stature of Urban Meyer had made this statement it would be much more controversial and could potential blow up in in the lobbying party's face.

I suspect Wilson was just happy somebody was talking to him at all. I doubt there was any coordinated thought put into this. Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.

Playing devil's advocate here, but it's not like he's entirely off the mark. Put a non-major without a CCG under their belt (like BYU), and they needn't apply for a playoff spot. Any non-major virtually needs 13 wins to even enter the conversation (even if short and unfavorable). In seasons where the Big XII champion or Notre Dame go 12-0, I doubt anyone gets boxed out of the playoff. But hang a loss onto the team, and, unless it's Texas or Oklahoma, I doubt the outcome is favorable. Going 13-0 or 12-1, or heck, 11-2, imo, is better than 11-1. I suspect the committee will think this way, too.

(And yes, I wasn't a fan of Alabama getting a nod at a BCS game over Missouri.)

But, coming from Hoosier football? LMFAO, especially in that division.

(08-01-2014 12:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Playing devil's advocate here, but it's not like he's entirely off the mark. Put a non-major without a CCG under their belt (like BYU), and they needn't apply for a playoff spot. Any non-major virtually needs 13 wins to even enter the conversation (even if short and unfavorable). In seasons where the Big XII champion or Notre Dame go 12-0, I doubt anyone gets boxed out of the playoff. But hang a loss onto the team, and, unless it's Texas or Oklahoma, I doubt the outcome is favorable. Going 13-0 or 12-1, or heck, 11-2, imo, is better than 11-1. I suspect the committee will think this way, too.

(And yes, I wasn't a fan of Alabama getting a nod at a BCS game over Missouri.)

But, coming from Hoosier football? LMFAO, especially in that division.

I bet Indiana lobbied hard for the B1G to add two teams they had a chance to beat in their division.

your right Ken, they talk in circles & nobody notices