Quote:This is the inescapable logic of euthanasia: It is much more expensive to care for ill and disabled patients than “compassionately” kill them. As I like to say, it may take $1000 for assisted suicide but $100,000 to provide the care that helps the patient not want end to their lives.

The new Lithuanian Health Minister–apparently not having yet received her talking points from the Hemlock Society Compassion and Dying–clearly followed this logic in describing why she might support legalizing euthanasia.

From the Delfi.It story:

New Health Minister Ilze Šalaševičiūte took an awkward and sensitive topic – it proposes to legalize euthanasia debate…

According to Šalaševičiūte, Lithuania is not the welfare state, which would be enough to focus on palliative care, euthanasia legalization would help so fatal in patients who do not want to agonize and torture your family members, relatives who care for them. He find an alternative way to get out of life. It would inject medication or another approach, which is equivalent to euthanasia “- television said the Minister.

So, rather than develop a palliative care sector, just open the door to euthanasia to help the poor. That’s the false compassion of euthanasia.

Relevantly, the health system in the euthanasia capital of the world, the Netherlands, has been criticized frequently over the years as having a stunted palliative care sector.

For example, Dr. Bert Keizer, a Netherlander nursing home doctor, wrote in Dancing with Mr. D of angrily warning his colleagues not to talk about trying “cortisone” as he was on his way to euthanize a patient he thought had cancer. Cortisone!? For cancer? He didn’t care enough, apparently, to learn what real pain control can do.

Dame Cecily Saunders, the developer of hospice, told me that she knew of many cases in which people wanted suicide until receiving proper hospice care. I suggest the Lithuanian Health Minister work to improve the quality of care in her country rather than open the door to medicalized killing.

http://www.lifenews.com/2014/07/28/europ...ical-care/

I’m sure Obama will love this idea.

If it’s not already in Obamacare ,remember Obama has a pen.

I suspect a lot of European countries are doing that already. Probably have been for a long time, only now it's coming out in the open.

And Palin proves right yet again.

Logan's run

(07-31-2014 09:36 AM)bevotex Wrote:  Logan's run

Heh. I see what you mean.

But Logan's Run was from a time (novel 1967, movie 1976) when all the Experts told us (constantly told us) that population-growth was out of control (same era as Soylent Green) and the herd would have to be culled somehow just so everyone could have enough food and water. That's not even close to what we're dealing with today. What we've got instead is a growing subset of the population that is "old" "sick" and/or economically incapable of carrying their own weight. And so there is a movement afoot to simply push those people off the stage whether they like it or not. That movement hasn't Quite reached the political mainstream, but it's headed that way.

Can we try this out in a Middle Eastern country first and see how effective it is?

I fully expect the left and libertarians to promote this some time down the line. I also see a future argument of legalizing murder with the excuse that it will save billions in execution and incarceration costs.

(07-31-2014 02:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I fully expect the left and libertarians to promote this some time down the line. I also see a future argument of legalizing murder with the excuse that it will save billions in execution and incarceration costs.

It's called Planned Parenthood.

(07-31-2014 02:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I fully expect the left and libertarians to promote this some time down the line. I also see a future argument of legalizing murder with the excuse that it will save billions in execution and incarceration costs.

Left-Yes.
Libertarians-No.
You really don't understand what libertarian means, do you? That would be the last thing a libertarian would agree to.

Live and let live, right? If someone want to die, let them.

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(08-01-2014 11:18 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Live and let live, right? If someone want to die, let them.

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The left doesn't complain when Muslims do it

Palin is right about something? Lol

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(08-01-2014 10:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 02:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I fully expect the left and libertarians to promote this some time down the line. I also see a future argument of legalizing murder with the excuse that it will save billions in execution and incarceration costs.

Left-Yes.
Libertarians-No.
You really don't understand what libertarian means, do you? That would be the last thing a libertarian would agree to.

Libertarians tend to mirror what the left wants. They just use a different argument to justify it.

(08-02-2014 11:12 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 10:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 02:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I fully expect the left and libertarians to promote this some time down the line. I also see a future argument of legalizing murder with the excuse that it will save billions in execution and incarceration costs.

Left-Yes.
Libertarians-No.
You really don't understand what libertarian means, do you? That would be the last thing a libertarian would agree to.

Libertarians tend to mirror what the left wants. They just use a different argument to justify it.

No, they don't. They tend not to mirror what YOU want, but they don't tend to mirror what the left wants.

The fundamental principle of libertarianism is the rejection of any effort to restrict liberty by force. This stupid idea is 180 degrees out from that. Maybe you should read up on libertarianism so you know what it means.