Another one done by Money mag with different criteria and seems pretty practical/objective.

Money has their own

(07-30-2014 04:03 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  1) There are not 146 schools better than Tulane.

2) SMU is not one of them.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but SMU was better than Tulane for me.

"Better" is all about what you are trying to measure and how you measure it.

Who posted this dumb article to make money for Forbes on every conference site on this board. Forbes is one of the worst magazines around. No validity or back up.

(07-30-2014 03:05 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 02:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  25% of the ranking is based on ratemyprofessor? WTF is that Forbes?!

This is why, despite all of the complaints, parents and students still put a lot of weight on the US News rankings. Generally speaking, the US News rankings pass the "smell test" of both actual selectivity and how potential employers would rate the schools. We can complain all day about certain parts of the US News methodology (i.e. its emphasis on yield, which ought to be irrelevant), but the end outcome largely makes sense. When Forbes uses nonsensical data points like ratemyprofessor, their rankings will get ignored.

is usnews is just as bad and is purely based on opinion and surveys aswell..
i honestly wish their was a ranking based on an equation of grad rates, test scores, post graduate employment,funding, achievements ..with only a minor opinion aspect off it like for facilities and campus life

it really bothered me that Houston spent almost half a billion on completely changing the campus, anyone who hasnt been to UH in the last 4 years and goes their today would realize its not the same campus with the crazy amount of new facilities plus the reconstruction of the old ones , grad rates increase, acceptance rates decrease, test scores improved, added enough dorms to be the second largest dormed facility in the state (to lose the commuter name)..i was expecting a slight increase from, our old usnews ranking (before i knew how it worked) only to find out we had dropped almost 23 spots in the latest rankings, which felt crazy to me and looked it up, it is completely based on survey/opinion

If you mean the "academic reputation" score of the US News rankings, then yes, that's based on a survey of university presidents. However, to be fair, the US News rankings also heavily use the completely objective SAT/ACT scores and class rank figures. The point is that if you're high school student or the parent of a high school student that is aiming for a selective school, the US News rankings actually mean something. It's not the be-all end-all, but its list "makes sense" based on the objective selectivity and subjective perception of prestige in the real world.

It's just like another completely subjective ranking: the AP Poll for college football. It's based purely on opinion and those opinions don't even include people that have necessarily even played football at any level (much less FBS college football), yet it is given much more weight by the general public than objective data-based computer rankings such as Sagarin.

Whether that's right or wrong is irrelevant - those rankings are important because the general public deems them to be important. A top 25 team in the AP Poll is deemed to be a "Top 25 team" by the general public, whereas a top 25 team in the Sagarin means nothing. Likewise, a top 25 school in the US News rankings is deemed to be a "Top 25 School" by the general public, whereas other rankings are ignored. Once again, there are problems with the US News methodology, but the cold hard fact is they're important because the people that "matter" in this case (the students and parents that are worried about getting into selective universities) consider them to be extremely important and don't trust other rankings that get cute and try to argue that Vassar is more highly-ranked than Harvard and Yale.

I agree parents look at USNews, BUT...

They are fooling themselves. Look at Clemson's ranking. You have to be kidding me. You have great AAU schools well below it.

FSU's president once filled out that survey and put Ivies in the 3rd tier with crazy community college schools in the first tier. A lot of nonsense in USNews's top 75.

There are other rankings out there but not widely published. I wish they were but they're not. You have to love how Reed College falls 250 points in the rankings because they don't fill out a survey. Any self-respecting ranking system would include Reed regardless.

its all good

Never attended Memphis for grad or undergrad, but y'all's memes make me a believer.

(07-30-2014 11:58 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Never attended Memphis for grad or undergrad, but y'all's memes make me a believer.

It seems like they give alot of weight to really expensive liberal arts schools in the northeast. Go figure.

(07-31-2014 08:13 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  It seems like they give alot of weight to really expensive liberal arts schools in the northeast. Go figure.

There's a lot of jobs for liberal arts people... most of them aren't good jobs... but there's always a Mcdonalds hiring somewhere.

Liberal Arts colleges in the NE are all about networking. You go to school with rich kids with rich parents who run Wall St, the NYC editing scene, the national news media, Hollywood, and more, and you're likely going to land on your feet. Plus, universally, those small colleges are stunningly beautiful, even the women, who most appear to be Nordic field hockey players.

if you are going off student quality, SMU will pass Tulane in a matter of 2-3 yrs if we haven't already. U.S. News is the holy grail - its not just students and parents, it is most of the academic administration that uses it as a metric.

This one is comical.

(08-01-2014 10:47 PM)gostangs Wrote:  if you are going off student quality, SMU will pass Tulane in a matter of 2-3 yrs if we haven't already. U.S. News is the holy grail - its not just students and parents, it is most of the academic administration that uses it as a metric.

This one is comical.

He keeps June around but Turner has put us ahead in academics

(07-30-2014 01:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  25% of the ranking is based on ratemyprofessor? WTF is that Forbes?!

This is why, despite all of the complaints, parents and students still put a lot of weight on the US News rankings. Generally speaking, the US News rankings pass the "smell test" of both actual selectivity and how potential employers would rate the schools. We can complain all day about certain parts of the US News methodology (i.e. its emphasis on yield, which ought to be irrelevant), but the end outcome largely makes sense. When Forbes uses nonsensical data points like ratemyprofessor, their rankings will get ignored.

Until US News & World Report adjusts for regional differences in cost of living and puts less emphasis on 4-year graduation rates, they should also be ignored. A professor in Memphis can have a nicer house than one living in New England or California making 2.5 times as much. Furthermore, how is an education earned in 6 years by a part-time working student worth less than one earned in 4 years on Daddy's money?

(08-02-2014 10:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  25% of the ranking is based on ratemyprofessor? WTF is that Forbes?!

This is why, despite all of the complaints, parents and students still put a lot of weight on the US News rankings. Generally speaking, the US News rankings pass the "smell test" of both actual selectivity and how potential employers would rate the schools. We can complain all day about certain parts of the US News methodology (i.e. its emphasis on yield, which ought to be irrelevant), but the end outcome largely makes sense. When Forbes uses nonsensical data points like ratemyprofessor, their rankings will get ignored.

Until US News & World Report adjusts for regional differences in cost of living and puts less emphasis on 4-year graduation rates, they should also be ignored. A professor in Memphis can have a nicer house than one living in New England or California making 2.5 times as much. Furthermore, how is an education earned in 6 years by a part-time working student worth less than one earned in 4 years on Daddy's money?

Most 4 year students aren't earning their degree on Daddy's money. They're earning it with easy credit and crippling themselves with debt for decades.

(08-02-2014 11:16 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(08-02-2014 10:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  25% of the ranking is based on ratemyprofessor? WTF is that Forbes?!

This is why, despite all of the complaints, parents and students still put a lot of weight on the US News rankings. Generally speaking, the US News rankings pass the "smell test" of both actual selectivity and how potential employers would rate the schools. We can complain all day about certain parts of the US News methodology (i.e. its emphasis on yield, which ought to be irrelevant), but the end outcome largely makes sense. When Forbes uses nonsensical data points like ratemyprofessor, their rankings will get ignored.

Until US News & World Report adjusts for regional differences in cost of living and puts less emphasis on 4-year graduation rates, they should also be ignored. A professor in Memphis can have a nicer house than one living in New England or California making 2.5 times as much. Furthermore, how is an education earned in 6 years by a part-time working student worth less than one earned in 4 years on Daddy's money?

Most 4 year students aren't earning their degree on Daddy's money. They're earning it with easy credit and crippling themselves with debt for decades.

I've said this before, but Cincinnati is the founder of cooperative education, and has the largest program of it's kind in the country. It's a lure for students to go to UC.

So if student is working a semester, then studying a semester after their junior/senior year, they aren't going to graduate in four years. In some programs like engineering and architecture, coop is required.

it's a great way for graduates to get their foot in the door...or figure out early on they need to switch careers/majors.

This, of course, lowers the graduation rate and works against UC in the USNews rankings.

(07-30-2014 10:08 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 03:05 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 02:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:16 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  25% of the ranking is based on ratemyprofessor? WTF is that Forbes?!

This is why, despite all of the complaints, parents and students still put a lot of weight on the US News rankings. Generally speaking, the US News rankings pass the "smell test" of both actual selectivity and how potential employers would rate the schools. We can complain all day about certain parts of the US News methodology (i.e. its emphasis on yield, which ought to be irrelevant), but the end outcome largely makes sense. When Forbes uses nonsensical data points like ratemyprofessor, their rankings will get ignored.

is usnews is just as bad and is purely based on opinion and surveys aswell..
i honestly wish their was a ranking based on an equation of grad rates, test scores, post graduate employment,funding, achievements ..with only a minor opinion aspect off it like for facilities and campus life

it really bothered me that Houston spent almost half a billion on completely changing the campus, anyone who hasnt been to UH in the last 4 years and goes their today would realize its not the same campus with the crazy amount of new facilities plus the reconstruction of the old ones , grad rates increase, acceptance rates decrease, test scores improved, added enough dorms to be the second largest dormed facility in the state (to lose the commuter name)..i was expecting a slight increase from, our old usnews ranking (before i knew how it worked) only to find out we had dropped almost 23 spots in the latest rankings, which felt crazy to me and looked it up, it is completely based on survey/opinion

If you mean the "academic reputation" score of the US News rankings, then yes, that's based on a survey of university presidents. However, to be fair, the US News rankings also heavily use the completely objective SAT/ACT scores and class rank figures. The point is that if you're high school student or the parent of a high school student that is aiming for a selective school, the US News rankings actually mean something. It's not the be-all end-all, but its list "makes sense" based on the objective selectivity and subjective perception of prestige in the real world.

It's just like another completely subjective ranking: the AP Poll for college football. It's based purely on opinion and those opinions don't even include people that have necessarily even played football at any level (much less FBS college football), yet it is given much more weight by the general public than objective data-based computer rankings such as Sagarin.

Whether that's right or wrong is irrelevant - those rankings are important because the general public deems them to be important. A top 25 team in the AP Poll is deemed to be a "Top 25 team" by the general public, whereas a top 25 team in the Sagarin means nothing. Likewise, a top 25 school in the US News rankings is deemed to be a "Top 25 School" by the general public, whereas other rankings are ignored. Once again, there are problems with the US News methodology, but the cold hard fact is they're important because the people that "matter" in this case (the students and parents that are worried about getting into selective universities) consider them to be extremely important and don't trust other rankings that get cute and try to argue that Vassar is more highly-ranked than Harvard and Yale.

I agree parents look at USNews, BUT...

They are fooling themselves. Look at Clemson's ranking. You have to be kidding me. You have great AAU schools well below it.

FSU's president once filled out that survey and put Ivies in the 3rd tier with crazy community college schools in the first tier. A lot of nonsense in USNews's top 75.

There are other rankings out there but not widely published. I wish they were but they're not. You have to love how Reed College falls 250 points in the rankings because they don't fill out a survey. Any self-respecting ranking system would include Reed regardless.

I think you confused FSU Pres with UF Pres who became famous when he ranked UF equal to Harvard, Yale and Princeton in US NEWS rankings a few years ago.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090.../906171007

(08-01-2014 10:47 PM)gostangs Wrote:  if you are going off student quality, SMU will pass Tulane in a matter of 2-3 yrs if we haven't already. U.S. News is the holy grail - its not just students and parents, it is most of the academic administration that uses it as a metric.

This one is comical.

I can't take anything that has Drexel ranked ahead of Temple serious.

Quote:CWUR uses eight objective and robust indicators to rank the world's top 1000 universities:

1) Quality of Education, measured by the number of a university's alumni who have won major international awards, prizes, and medals relative to the university's size [25%]
2) Alumni Employment, measured by the number of a university's alumni who currently hold CEO positions at the world's top companies relative to the university's size [25%]
3) Quality of Faculty, measured by the number of academics who have won major international awards, prizes, and medals [25%]
4) Publications, measured by the number of research papers appearing in reputable journals [5%]
5) Influence, measured by the number of research papers appearing in highly-influential journals [5%]
6) Citations, measured by the number of highly-cited research papers [5%]
7) Broad Impact, measured by the university's h-Index [5%]
8) Patents, measured by the number of international patent filings [5%]

Source

I prefer the Center for World University Rankings.

#162 - Houston
#171 - SMU
#173 - USF
#177 - Cincinnati
#233 - UConn
#234 - Tulane
#390 - Temple
#401 - UCF
#716 - Memphis
#718 - ECU
NR - Tulsa
NR - Navy

Someone needs to do a drug intervention on the person that wrote this pos. Completely baseless.

Any student that aspires to the Ivy League and top academic universities in this nation only look at the U S News and World Report annual rankings. End of story. The other rankings are bogus! Tulane is currently ranked the 52nd top academic university in the nation by US News and World Report. The top ranking in the AAC. Unfortunately SMU is only ranked number 60.