(07-31-2014 10:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  ...FSU won the title despite the ACC and not because of it.

Not saying the ACC should get credit for how good FSU was last year, but you ought to stop with the whole "despite the ACC", too. Last year FSU won 4 games over ranked opponents: Maryland, Clemson, Miami and Duke. Notice what they have in common? Oh, yeah, they were ALL ACC teams. It was those 4 wins that got FSU's SoS high enough to play for the national title, not the game against UF or whoever else the Noles played OOC.

(07-31-2014 10:50 AM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

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(07-31-2014 09:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:50 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 11:39 AM)brista21 Wrote:  Clemson definitely has a strategy to schedule as many SEC foes as possible. It makes sense as there's history between Clemson and a number of SEC teams. But I have to wonder if this isn't part of a plan to try and get into the SEC at some point.

Florida State has tried this strategy too. It isn't about getting in the SEC. It's about playing good OOC games to cover up for the ACC as a whole sucking at football..

Too bad the SEC are a bunch of chickesn in regards to FSU and avoid them at every turn. Georgia wouldnt even play a neutral site game in Atlanta vs FSU. LSU, Auburn etc avoid them as well. Clemson I guess isn't scary enough to them yet. Better not beat them a few more times or they will avoid you though!

To be fair I can understand UGA not wanting to play a neutral site game since they already play a neutral site game vs Florida every year in Jacksonville. That's also a reason why UGA spaces out their high profile OOC series instead of starting a new series every two years.

To be fair, FSU wanted a home and home. Then they asked for a neutral site in ATL one year and Tampa the next. Then they said let's just play a Chick Fil A kickoff in ATL one time

And Georgia said no to everything. They are chickens***. Let's get real here.

I don't think it has to do with FSU in particular as much as it has to do with playing anyone of repute. UGA has a recent history of not winning as big as his talent should allow. Why schedule another loss when they can schedule a body bag and fill their stadium?

Your point about SEC teams avoiding tough teams OOC is valid.

Na. They schedule Clemson still. That isn't a bodybag game. The SEC teams still dont have the same fear of Clemson as they do of FSU. It will come if Clemson wins a few more times like they did vs Georgia last year.

(07-31-2014 11:23 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 09:31 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:50 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 11:39 AM)brista21 Wrote:  Clemson definitely has a strategy to schedule as many SEC foes as possible. It makes sense as there's history between Clemson and a number of SEC teams. But I have to wonder if this isn't part of a plan to try and get into the SEC at some point.

Florida State has tried this strategy too. It isn't about getting in the SEC. It's about playing good OOC games to cover up for the ACC as a whole sucking at football..

Too bad the SEC are a bunch of chickesn in regards to FSU and avoid them at every turn. Georgia wouldnt even play a neutral site game in Atlanta vs FSU. LSU, Auburn etc avoid them as well. Clemson I guess isn't scary enough to them yet. Better not beat them a few more times or they will avoid you though!

The Acc doesnt "suck" as bad as you say it does as FSU won its 3rd national championship just last season. FSU never won a championship until it joined the ACC. And if FSU was truly trying to compensate for a weak ACC schedule, then it would not have scheduled Idaho last season. Seems to me that FSU and the Acc are good for each other.

Yes I'm sure that rugged ACC schedule for 2 years running was what got them over the hump. I mean scheduling Miami, Notre Dame, Florida, Nebraska etc had nothing to do with it...

Please FSU won the title despite the ACC and not because of it. Killing your boys 59-3 or whatever did nothing to help FSU. The ACC tries to take credit when FSU wins but then when FSU is down, it is FSU's fault for the ACC's bad perception.

Hilarious how that goes.....

As for Idaho, all powers schedule 1 or 2 easy ones too. They are now doing what Florida does in scheduling a break game the week before the rivalry game.

And it's hard to schedule hard OOC when tons of teams avoid you (see the SEC). Syracuse doesnt have that problem as you are teams like USC's rest game....

None of that changes the fact that FSU didnt win any championships until they joined the ACC. The Acc cant be all that weak. If I was a betting man, I would bet that FSU administrators had an entirely different take than you and that they are ecstatic to be in the Acc.

Once again, acting like being in the ACC put them over the top is absolutely hilarious. Their prime games were against OOC teams back then. Did you miss the huge streak FSU went on in beating ACC teams soon after they entered? Probably did since you guys just got into the league last year.

The lack of ACC didn't make their FG kicker miss vs Miami or other things coming up short. FSU was very competitive before the ACC. Championships are just tough to win. It is such a ridiculous argument when you really dont even know the history of the league

(07-31-2014 11:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  ...FSU won the title despite the ACC and not because of it.

Not saying the ACC should get credit for how good FSU was last year, but you ought to stop with the whole "despite the ACC", too. Last year FSU won 4 games over ranked opponents: Maryland, Clemson, Miami and Duke. Notice what they have in common? Oh, yeah, they were ALL ACC teams. It was those 4 wins that got FSU's SoS high enough to play for the national title, not the game against UF or whoever else the Noles played OOC.

Most ACC fans do think the conference should get credit when FSU wins though. Then when FSU is down, it is their fault that the ACC has a bad reputation in football. Don't even try to act like this isnt the case. It is a huge double standard with the ACC football leeches.

That SOS argument is ridiculous. FSU was the only undefeated team. They weren't going to get left out last year and beating #25 Maryland in a pounding didnt really help much...Heck a few of them weren't ranked at years end.

(07-31-2014 12:12 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  ...FSU won the title despite the ACC and not because of it.

Not saying the ACC should get credit for how good FSU was last year, but you ought to stop with the whole "despite the ACC", too. Last year FSU won 4 games over ranked opponents: Maryland, Clemson, Miami and Duke. Notice what they have in common? Oh, yeah, they were ALL ACC teams. It was those 4 wins that got FSU's SoS high enough to play for the national title, not the game against UF or whoever else the Noles played OOC.

Most ACC fans do think the conference should get credit when FSU wins though. Then when FSU is down, it is their fault that the ACC has a bad reputation in football. Don't even try to act like this isnt the case. It is a huge double standard with the ACC football leeches.

That SOS argument is ridiculous. FSU was the only undefeated team. They weren't going to get left out last year and beating #25 Maryland in a pounding didnt really help much...Heck a few of them weren't ranked at years end.

It may be an extreme example, but there were years when TCU and Boise St went undefeated but didn't even sniff the championship game. The ACC was good enough that FSU was able to get in on the basis of an undefeated ACC schedule (not the OOC schedule) - that was my point.

Well if the standard is comparing to the Mountain West then yes the ACC is tough.. That isnt exactly a lofty standard though...

(07-31-2014 12:10 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:23 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 10:06 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 09:31 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 06:50 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Florida State has tried this strategy too. It isn't about getting in the SEC. It's about playing good OOC games to cover up for the ACC as a whole sucking at football..

Too bad the SEC are a bunch of chickesn in regards to FSU and avoid them at every turn. Georgia wouldnt even play a neutral site game in Atlanta vs FSU. LSU, Auburn etc avoid them as well. Clemson I guess isn't scary enough to them yet. Better not beat them a few more times or they will avoid you though!

The Acc doesnt "suck" as bad as you say it does as FSU won its 3rd national championship just last season. FSU never won a championship until it joined the ACC. And if FSU was truly trying to compensate for a weak ACC schedule, then it would not have scheduled Idaho last season. Seems to me that FSU and the Acc are good for each other.

Yes I'm sure that rugged ACC schedule for 2 years running was what got them over the hump. I mean scheduling Miami, Notre Dame, Florida, Nebraska etc had nothing to do with it...

Please FSU won the title despite the ACC and not because of it. Killing your boys 59-3 or whatever did nothing to help FSU. The ACC tries to take credit when FSU wins but then when FSU is down, it is FSU's fault for the ACC's bad perception.

Hilarious how that goes.....

As for Idaho, all powers schedule 1 or 2 easy ones too. They are now doing what Florida does in scheduling a break game the week before the rivalry game.

And it's hard to schedule hard OOC when tons of teams avoid you (see the SEC). Syracuse doesnt have that problem as you are teams like USC's rest game....

None of that changes the fact that FSU didnt win any championships until they joined the ACC. The Acc cant be all that weak. If I was a betting man, I would bet that FSU administrators had an entirely different take than you and that they are ecstatic to be in the Acc.

Once again, acting like being in the ACC put them over the top is absolutely hilarious. Their prime games were against OOC teams back then. Did you miss the huge streak FSU went on in beating ACC teams soon after they entered? Probably did since you guys just got into the league last year.

The lack of ACC didn't make their FG kicker miss vs Miami or other things coming up short. FSU was very competitive before the ACC. Championships are just tough to win. It is such a ridiculous argument when you really dont even know the history of the league

Last year, FSU beat a terrible Florida team, Idaho, Bethune Cookman and Nevada. Which one of those teams helped FSU's SOS? NONE

The point I'm making, is that the Acc doesn't hurt FSU's national championship aspirations at all, as you claim.