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http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/texas...ion-072914

The Raiders are talking with Alamo Dome and San Antonio about relocation. Odds are the Raiders are just using San Antonio to get a better deal somewhere in California but you never know.

I wonder how it would affect attendance for UTSA football if San Antonio would ever be able to land an NFL team.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
(07-30-2014 10:34 AM)goofus Wrote:  http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/texas...ion-072914

The Raiders are talking with Alamo Dome and San Antonio about relocation. Odds are the Raiders are just using San Antonio to get a better deal somewhere in California but you never know.

I wonder how it would affect attendance for UTSA football if San Antonio would ever be able to land an NFL team.

But there is no place in CA that will give Mark Davis the deal he wants. I stated in another thread...

The major impediment as I understand it starts with Mark Davis' desire to retain total ownership of the Raiders. Unlike Jerry Jones though, he isn't flush with enough capital to build a stadium in Oakland, let alone LA. The City of Oakland is too in the red to even contemplate building a stadium from the Raiders. Pride precluded Davis from partnering with the 49ers the make Levi's Stadium similar to MetLife Stadium in NJ, which would have been the best option for keeping the team in the Bay Area. Unfortunately that window is now closed.

As the city of LA has demonstrated for the past 20 years, they have no intention of financing a new stadium. As such, a new stadium must be privately financed. The NFL won't allow any team to play in the Colisuem or Rose Bowl unless construction has already begun on the new facility. But the two current investors with the potential and the capital to build a new stadium want either a 50% stake or total ownership of a franchise before a shovel hits the ground, thus running counter to Mark Davis' wishes of total control. Any hope for the Raiders move to LA rests on the NFL's desire build its own stadium in LA and lease it to Mark Davis for the homes games. Talk is that the the NFL would move the Draft, the Combine and the Pro Bowl all to this new facility. Sales from naming rights, parking and hosting events such as Super Bowls, Final Fours, World Cup matches would easily allow the Shield to recoup their investment.

(My dream scenario is that the NFL buy to LA Live site and then build the Dodgers a new ballpark there, thus allowing the NFL to build a great stadium in Chavez Ravine)

Of course, flirting with San Antonio works best for Davis as the city would be more than happy to build him a new stadium and allow him to retain control of the team, the naming rights, parking and concessions.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
Mark Davis would never, ever, ever relocate his dad's team from Cali. This is all for leverage and I still think that the Raiders end up in LA.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/pro-s...654812.php

San Antonio has often been used as a bargaining chip for pro sports franchises trying to negotiate better deals in their own respective cities, but sources have characterized Davis' interest in San Antonio to be at least somewhat more serious. He is clearly perturbed with his current situation in Oakland, where the team's lease expires after the 2014-15 season.


It appears that his meeting here has been in the works for at least a couple months. A source familiar with the talks said he had heard a couple months ago that the Raiders were interested in San Antonio. But the details of Davis' visit indicate that he could be interested in San Antonio more than just as a bargaining chip in Oakland.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
Articles like that are exactly what he and his staff want. You think MySanAntonio has any idea how serious Mark Davis is?
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
"Davis and his associates spent two or three days here, visiting the Alamodome and other places, sources familiar with the talks said. They also took an aerial tour of the city in a helicopter, arranged by developer Marty Wender.

With some upgrades, the Alamodome could be ready for a 2015-16 NFL season, though it would be a temporary home at best. NFL teams likely would need 100 suites, and the Alamodome currently has 52. It physically could facilitate the addition of 48 more, but funding has yet to be earmarked by the city for such upgrades.

If the Raiders moved here, though, Davis is expected to seek a new stadium within a few years, after the team had proved itself in the Alamo City.

Davis told San Antonio civic and business leaders he isn't seeking a “Jerry Jones-type facility” and prefers “a small, intimate” stadium that he can place “a statue of his father in front of,” a source said."
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
From some people I know with a NFL franchise in the state of Missouri, they have said to me that the NFL would like the Raiders in Los Angeles but they don't want the Davis family to be the owners.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
A stadium built half way between Austin and San Antonio on I-35 (maybe in or near San Marcos) might work best. If you combine those two markets, you get about the 15th largest media market. The drive for most people from those two cities to a game would be about 45 minutes.

I don't know how that would get financed. It's unlikely Austin or San Antonio would pay for it if the stadium wasn't in one of the two cities.

The ASA Raiders has a decent ring to it. = )
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
Let's not underestimate the fact that Mark Davis is just as bat sh*t crazy as his father was. Only difference is that Mark admits that he knows nothing about football. Al knew a lot, but he refused to say he'd lost his ability to change with the game.

I have no doubts that the NFL wants rid of the Davis family, but it'll never happen. Al Davis has done so much for football in the US, been instrumental to so much growth. It's just like if Ralph Wilson had a son take over the Bills.

I also think that if Mark Davis was to build a statue of Al in front of a new stadium in San Antonio, it would be the equivalent of pissing on his dad's grave. It'll never happen, this is all politics and positioning. The Raiders will never be in TX.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
As a native San Antonian, I'd love for us to have a NFL franchise, but I can see a lot of powerful interests that don't want SA to have one because it would keep them from following an established franchise.

Still, I hope it happens anyway because SA has passion that makes up for its lack of size relative to other markets.

(and the downside would be that an NFL franchise would probably kill most of the enthusiasm for UTSA)
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
(07-30-2014 10:45 AM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  Articles like that are exactly what he and his staff want. You think MySanAntonio has any idea how serious Mark Davis is?

But he has no audience for this power play. Again, Oakland has no money and LA won't ever play the game. So I think the interest is legit because San Antonio can give Davis everything he wants.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
Mark Davis and the Raiders got what they wanted...they spooked the City of Oakland...they got Oakland attention...here is the link:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...e-raiders/
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
(07-30-2014 11:02 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  As a native San Antonian, I'd love for us to have a NFL franchise, but I can see a lot of powerful interests that don't want SA to have one because it would keep them from following an established franchise.

Still, I hope it happens anyway because SA has passion that makes up for its lack of size relative to other markets.

(and the downside would be that an NFL franchise would probably kill most of the enthusiasm for UTSA)

SA is being played again...Doubt the Cowboys and Texans want a 3rd team.

I agree if it ever came, UTSA would be playing in front of 10-12k fans.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
(07-30-2014 11:11 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:02 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  As a native San Antonian, I'd love for us to have a NFL franchise, but I can see a lot of powerful interests that don't want SA to have one because it would keep them from following an established franchise.

Still, I hope it happens anyway because SA has passion that makes up for its lack of size relative to other markets.

(and the downside would be that an NFL franchise would probably kill most of the enthusiasm for UTSA)

SA is being played again...Doubt the Cowboys and Texans want a 3rd team.

I agree if it ever came, UTSA would be playing in front of 10-12k fans.

At the end of the day Mark Davis got the Bay Area attention...that was what he was looking for...07-coffee3

From the Pro Football Talk article...Oakland Mayor this morning:


“Oakland is working to help build new ballparks for both the Raiders and the A’s, and we’re seeing progress on both fronts,” Quan said.  “We are making continued progress at the table with the Raider and the world’s third-largest real estate firm talking about Coliseum City.  The 10-year lease extension for the A’s includes a commitment from the teams’ owners to sit down to talk building a new Oakland ballpark.”
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(07-30-2014 11:09 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 10:45 AM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  Articles like that are exactly what he and his staff want. You think MySanAntonio has any idea how serious Mark Davis is?

But he has no audience for this power play. Again, Oakland has no money and LA won't ever play the game. So I think the interest is legit because San Antonio can give Davis everything he wants.

Oakland can give the Raiders what they want, any sizeable city can get money. Their audience is Oakland.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
(07-30-2014 10:55 AM)jarmzet Wrote:  A stadium built half way between Austin and San Antonio on I-35 (maybe in or near San Marcos) might work best. If you combine those two markets, you get about the 15th largest media market. The drive for most people from those two cities to a game would be about 45 minutes.

I don't know how that would get financed. It's unlikely Austin or San Antonio would pay for it if the stadium wasn't in one of the two cities.

The ASA Raiders has a decent ring to it. = )

This, people always knock the SA market, but don't realize just how huge the Austin/SA area is. It is one mega metro with over 4 million people combined. Downtown to downtown is 80 miles but from city limit to city limit it's only about 40 or 45 with New Braunfels and San Marcos in between as one continuous suburb.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
(07-30-2014 11:10 AM)Maize Wrote:  Mark Davis and the Raiders got what they wanted...they spooked the City of Oakland...they got Oakland attention...here is the link:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...e-raiders/

Yes, but are the Raiders going to wait 10 years to get another stadium in Oakland. The A's signed a 10 year lease to continue to play at the coliseum, and will continue to "talk" about building a new one. May take years to make progress. Raiders can leave basically now. Will they wait another 10 years to get a new oakland stadium.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
(07-30-2014 11:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:11 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:02 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  As a native San Antonian, I'd love for us to have a NFL franchise, but I can see a lot of powerful interests that don't want SA to have one because it would keep them from following an established franchise.

Still, I hope it happens anyway because SA has passion that makes up for its lack of size relative to other markets.

(and the downside would be that an NFL franchise would probably kill most of the enthusiasm for UTSA)

SA is being played again...Doubt the Cowboys and Texans want a 3rd team.

I agree if it ever came, UTSA would be playing in front of 10-12k fans.

At the end of the day Mark Davis got the Bay Area attention...that was what he was looking for...07-coffee3

From the Pro Football Talk article...Oakland Mayor this morning:


“Oakland is working to help build new ballparks for both the Raiders and the A’s, and we’re seeing progress on both fronts,” Quan said.  “We are making continued progress at the table with the Raider and the world’s third-largest real estate firm talking about Coliseum City.  The 10-year lease extension for the A’s includes a commitment from the teams’ owners to sit down to talk building a new Oakland ballpark.”

Define "progress" Nothing is currently happening on the stadium front in oakland other than a commitment to "talk" about a future stadium. No shovels are being moved, no plans are being offered, and no tangible progress (actual stadium financing/building plans) is being made.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
(07-30-2014 11:13 AM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:09 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 10:45 AM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  Articles like that are exactly what he and his staff want. You think MySanAntonio has any idea how serious Mark Davis is?

But he has no audience for this power play. Again, Oakland has no money and LA won't ever play the game. So I think the interest is legit because San Antonio can give Davis everything he wants.

Oakland can give the Raiders what they want, any sizeable city can get money. Their audience is Oakland.

Some cities might be able to do that, but not Oakland. Atlanta is paying its portion of the new Dome via a hotel/motel tax. Others metro areas bankroll these new deals via an increased sales tax. But no one wants to travel to Oakland and the median income levels don't justify raising taxes. You could issue a bond, but who would buy it, Oakland residents? I'm sure they'd prefer more cops. Banks are of course well aware of most major cities unfunded pension liabilities and requisite negative credit ratings. I just think that this is more than just a leverage play.
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RE: OT: San Antonio going after NFL franchise
(07-30-2014 11:11 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:02 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  As a native San Antonian, I'd love for us to have a NFL franchise, but I can see a lot of powerful interests that don't want SA to have one because it would keep them from following an established franchise.

Still, I hope it happens anyway because SA has passion that makes up for its lack of size relative to other markets.

(and the downside would be that an NFL franchise would probably kill most of the enthusiasm for UTSA)

SA is being played again...Doubt the Cowboys and Texans want a 3rd team.

I agree if it ever came, UTSA would be playing in front of 10-12k fans.

Disagree. You would have the same situation as you would with the Bucs/USF in Tampa, and USF has had several seasons in the 40-50K range with the Bucs also in town. Not to mention, UTSA tickets would be much more affordable to the average Joe than the NFL. If UTSA puts out a good product, they'll always draw a relatively decent crowd.
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