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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-29-2014 06:37 PM)EverRespect Wrote: HoD is right. This virus is not easily spread like the flu.
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The guy in this story had full blown Ebola meaning any mucus he coughed up was filled with the virus. Assuming he covered his hand when he coughed the virus was on his hands. If he handed a boarding pass to the gate attendant the virus could have transferred to the attendant meaning the potential for every boarding pass handled after patient alpha may have picked up the virus, AND, he boarded two different flights. Anything this guy touched at either airport, the armrests on the seat he sat in during the flight and the overhead bin that he put his luggage in all might very well have the virus.
As for spread of Ebola
Quote:The potential for widespread EVD epidemics is considered low due to the high case-fatality rate, the rapidity of demise of patients, and the often remote areas where infections occur.[
Patient alpha made it to a densely populated area hardly remote and exposed countless potential carriers.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-29-2014 06:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:23 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: (07-29-2014 05:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (07-29-2014 05:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:
It has spread into 3 different countries and may now be in Nigeria thanks to this guy's travels. This is a virus so no antibiotic treatment. It has a 21 day incubation period so an infected person with no symptoms could come to the US and spread it to countless people. Contain = quarantine so you would leave this up to those nations?
Yup
Those nations and the UN have handled it pretty well.
The Gabonese have contained outbreaks on their own.
You shouldn't be this scared over this.
Seriously?!?
Mr. Sawyer collapsed after the second flight, no way he was not showing symptoms of some illness when he boarded the first. Had the timeline played out just one week different he would have likely made it back to the US symptom free and exposed countless people to this.
No way this is being effectively contained based purely on this one incident. It only take one infected individual to turn in to hundreds, maybe thousands of cases.
You do know this disease has been around since the 70s and the outbreaks have been contained, right?
You do know the number of flights into/out of this region increased exponentially since the 70's greatly increasing the risk that an exposed individual will eventually board a flight and make it to the US, Europe or somewhere where the mobility of that nation will allow exposure to many more people in many more areas. Part of why this has been limited especially in the past is the people of this region used to rarely travel beyond their village and had few western visitors. That has all changed significantly over the last 20 years.
I don't entirely disagree.
The nations in the regions have taken steps to combat the disease, along with the WTO and UN.
My point is that a quarantine of people who travel to the region is not a viable solution. It would be an extreme overreaction.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-29-2014 08:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:23 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: (07-29-2014 05:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Yup
Those nations and the UN have handled it pretty well.
The Gabonese have contained outbreaks on their own.
You shouldn't be this scared over this.
Seriously?!?
Mr. Sawyer collapsed after the second flight, no way he was not showing symptoms of some illness when he boarded the first. Had the timeline played out just one week different he would have likely made it back to the US symptom free and exposed countless people to this.
No way this is being effectively contained based purely on this one incident. It only take one infected individual to turn in to hundreds, maybe thousands of cases.
You do know this disease has been around since the 70s and the outbreaks have been contained, right?
You do know the number of flights into/out of this region increased exponentially since the 70's greatly increasing the risk that an exposed individual will eventually board a flight and make it to the US, Europe or somewhere where the mobility of that nation will allow exposure to many more people in many more areas. Part of why this has been limited especially in the past is the people of this region used to rarely travel beyond their village and had few western visitors. That has all changed significantly over the last 20 years.
I don't entirely disagree.
The nations in the regions have taken steps to combat the disease, along with the WTO and UN.
My point is that a quarantine of people who travel to the region is not a viable solution. It would be an extreme overreaction.
I don't think you have to quarantine everyone who visits the region, but I don't think it is crazy to quarantine those who have had close contact with those who have the disease.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-29-2014 08:56 PM)blah Wrote: (07-29-2014 08:25 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:23 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Seriously?!?
Mr. Sawyer collapsed after the second flight, no way he was not showing symptoms of some illness when he boarded the first. Had the timeline played out just one week different he would have likely made it back to the US symptom free and exposed countless people to this.
No way this is being effectively contained based purely on this one incident. It only take one infected individual to turn in to hundreds, maybe thousands of cases.
You do know this disease has been around since the 70s and the outbreaks have been contained, right?
You do know the number of flights into/out of this region increased exponentially since the 70's greatly increasing the risk that an exposed individual will eventually board a flight and make it to the US, Europe or somewhere where the mobility of that nation will allow exposure to many more people in many more areas. Part of why this has been limited especially in the past is the people of this region used to rarely travel beyond their village and had few western visitors. That has all changed significantly over the last 20 years.
I don't entirely disagree.
The nations in the regions have taken steps to combat the disease, along with the WTO and UN.
My point is that a quarantine of people who travel to the region is not a viable solution. It would be an extreme overreaction.
I don't think you have to quarantine everyone who visits the region, but I don't think it is crazy to quarantine those who have had close contact with those who have the disease.
Whoever said it was?
That is already happening.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-29-2014 06:31 PM)john01992 Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (07-29-2014 06:23 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: (07-29-2014 05:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (07-29-2014 05:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:
It has spread into 3 different countries and may now be in Nigeria thanks to this guy's travels. This is a virus so no antibiotic treatment. It has a 21 day incubation period so an infected person with no symptoms could come to the US and spread it to countless people. Contain = quarantine so you would leave this up to those nations?
Yup
Those nations and the UN have handled it pretty well.
The Gabonese have contained outbreaks on their own.
You shouldn't be this scared over this.
Seriously?!?
Mr. Sawyer collapsed after the second flight, no way he was not showing symptoms of some illness when he boarded the first. Had the timeline played out just one week different he would have likely made it back to the US symptom free and exposed countless people to this.
No way this is being effectively contained based purely on this one incident. It only take one infected individual to turn in to hundreds, maybe thousands of cases.
You do know this disease has been around since the 70s and the outbreaks have been contained, right?
I'd say we were lucky that we did contain them, but there's no need to use that precedent to say this is not something we should worry about.
It's like a hurricane, just because one didn't hit you this year doesn't mean you are immune from future hurricanes. Already this Ebola virus is more deadly than any of the previous ones.
Being smart about something and overreacting are two different things.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-29-2014 04:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: No they shouldn't be quarantined.
Ebola is dangerous, no doubt, but the level of business and trade in the region can't be compromised over an overblown fear.
The disease can be contained by even these minimally functional governments in that region.
Certainly. No problem. A disease that has the potential to wipe out the worlds human population,
nothing to be concerned with.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
21 day incubation period, nonspecific flu-like symptoms. Ebola has a case fatality rate of up to 90%. Liquidification of the internal organs. No problem.....
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-29-2014 05:40 PM)Stick4489 Wrote: Hooray for open borders.
Yeah, when are people going to wise up? This is freaking insane.
And I disagree w/ HOD on this one. It is smart to quarantine the people exposed to this. That's standard practice, not an overreaction.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
Ebola is nothing to fool around with. However, if it ever did make it to the United States, we have the infrastructure to contain it pretty quickly. Sure, some folks would die, but there wouldn't be a widespread epidemic, at least IMO.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-30-2014 07:47 AM)VA49er Wrote: Ebola is nothing to fool around with. However, if it ever did make it to the United States, we have the infrastructure to contain it pretty quickly. Sure, some folks would die, but there wouldn't be a widespread epidemic, at least IMO.
I think your 100% wrong. By the time it was correctly diagnosed in the first patient, hundreds, maybe thousands, of others would have been exposed. And it's our infrastructure, primarily the transportation infrastructure, that would allow it to spread quickly and widely.
It is the remote isolation of outbreaks that has kept it in check to date. These are not the sort of locales where an outbreak would occur in the US.
One more big reason to close the border.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-30-2014 08:36 AM)DrTorch Wrote: (07-30-2014 07:47 AM)VA49er Wrote: Ebola is nothing to fool around with. However, if it ever did make it to the United States, we have the infrastructure to contain it pretty quickly. Sure, some folks would die, but there wouldn't be a widespread epidemic, at least IMO.
I think your 100% wrong. By the time it was correctly diagnosed in the first patient, hundreds, maybe thousands, of others would have been exposed. And it's our infrastructure, primarily the transportation infrastructure, that would allow it to spread quickly and widely.
It is the remote isolation of outbreaks that has kept it in check to date. These are not the sort of locales where an outbreak would occur in the US.
One more big reason to close the border.
That's cool. But that first patient would set off alarms and be quarantined. Then all those on the flight would be notified and checked/quarantined. I'm not saying no one would die, just that it wouldnt' explode into a society threatening epidemic, at least in the US. I respect your opinion though.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-29-2014 04:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: No they shouldn't be quarantined.
Ebola is dangerous, no doubt, but the level of business and trade in the region can't be compromised over an overblown fear.
The disease can be contained by even these minimally functional governments in that region.
Oh yeah...that essential trade thing we got going with Liberia.
Essential (to progressive socialists everywhere).
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-29-2014 05:40 PM)Stick4489 Wrote: Hooray for open borders.
Hey stick. I like this picture... can we run this tug and barges thru the Panama Canal? All the "dreamers" trapped in central america could just jump on...and catch a ride to America.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-30-2014 07:44 AM)DrTorch Wrote: (07-29-2014 05:40 PM)Stick4489 Wrote: Hooray for open borders.
Yeah, when are people going to wise up? This is freaking insane.
And I disagree w/ HOD on this one. It is smart to quarantine the people exposed to this. That's standard practice, not an overreaction.
I agree with quarantining the exposed, but not people who are just moving through the region as was originally suggested.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
And to think people are more upset that we are helping children from central America.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
Only 15% of these "illegal invading children" are by themselves. The balance all have an adult with them and they will all end up with amnesty....unfortunately! But they have diseases as well.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-30-2014 10:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote: And to think
Not your thing.
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
These immigrants are being checked for dresses disease
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RE: Ebola coming to a town near you?
(07-30-2014 11:25 AM)DrTorch Wrote: (07-30-2014 10:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote: And to think
Not your thing.
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