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Islam, life
I believe that MOST, if not ALL religions are meant to improve the lives of their followers...........I also see what the mess the Extreme Islamists have created when "in power"............Surely the Majority of Moslems disagree with all these killings....Someone please articulate the "non-extreme" view(s)
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You'd be hard pressed to find many willing to say anything against Jihad. Especially the clergy. Islam is a religion of deception, so you cannot believe them anyway.

Quote:Islam must seem a paradoxical religion to non-Muslims. On the one hand, it is constantly being portrayed as the religion of peace; on the other, its adherents are responsible for the majority of terror attacks around the world. Apologists for Islam emphasize that it is a faith built upon high ethical standards; others stress that it is a religion of the law. Islam's dual notions of truth and falsehood further reveal its paradoxical nature: While the Qur'an is against believers deceiving other believers—for "surely God guides not him who is prodigal and a liar"[1]—deception directed at non-Muslims, generally known in Arabic as taqiyya, also has Qur'anic support and falls within the legal category of things that are permissible for Muslims.

Quote:Muslims, far from suffering persecution have, whenever capability allowed, waged jihad against the realm of unbelief; and it is here that they have deployed taqiyya—not as dissimulation but as active deceit. In fact, deceit, which is doctrinally grounded in Islam, is often depicted as being equal—sometimes superior—to other universal military virtues, such as courage, fortitude, or self-sacrifice.
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They in large part entirely reject the extremes of Western and American culture, our government, and imperialist tendencies in both.

The saying is, "we love America but hate your government."
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(07-29-2014 04:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They in large part entirely reject the extremes of Western and American culture, our government, and imperialist tendencies in both.

The saying is, "we love America but hate your government."

What imperialist tendencies? Giving people a chance for self-rule and freedom is not imperialist tendencies.
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I heard it best when a military analyst said the people in that region of the world "do not have the intellect to understand or appreciate the concept of democracy and freedom"

I tend to agree.


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(07-29-2014 05:28 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I heard it best when a military analyst said the people in that region of the world "do not have the intellect to understand or appreciate the concept of democracy and freedom"

I tend to agree.


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(07-29-2014 05:28 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I heard it best when a military analyst said the people in that region of the world "do not have the intellect to understand or appreciate the concept of democracy and freedom"

I tend to agree.
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Jihadists understand the concepts of hate, death and destruction.
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(07-29-2014 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They in large part entirely reject the extremes of Western and American culture, our government, and imperialist tendencies in both.

The saying is, "we love America but hate your government."

What imperialist tendencies? Giving people a chance for self-rule and freedom is not imperialist tendencies.

The US doesn't account for 47% of the world's military spending just to protect itself.
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(07-29-2014 08:44 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They in large part entirely reject the extremes of Western and American culture, our government, and imperialist tendencies in both.

The saying is, "we love America but hate your government."

What imperialist tendencies? Giving people a chance for self-rule and freedom is not imperialist tendencies.

The US doesn't account for 47% of the world's military spending just to protect itself.
True, is to protect others also. A country attacked at Pearl Harbor and 9/11 had best have the best military because if we had a poor military we would be in serious hurt right now.
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(07-29-2014 08:44 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They in large part entirely reject the extremes of Western and American culture, our government, and imperialist tendencies in both.

The saying is, "we love America but hate your government."

What imperialist tendencies? Giving people a chance for self-rule and freedom is not imperialist tendencies.

The US doesn't account for 47% of the world's military spending just to protect itself.

If spending money to be prepared, you consider it imperialist tendencies? What would you call invading Crimea? The only land the US demands is a place to bury our dead soldiers. You two need a reality check.
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(07-29-2014 10:08 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 08:44 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They in large part entirely reject the extremes of Western and American culture, our government, and imperialist tendencies in both.

The saying is, "we love America but hate your government."

What imperialist tendencies? Giving people a chance for self-rule and freedom is not imperialist tendencies.

The US doesn't account for 47% of the world's military spending just to protect itself.

If spending money to be prepared, you consider it imperialist tendencies? What would you call invading Crimea? The only land the US demands is a place to bury our dead soldiers. You two need a reality check.

What are we preparing for, the entire world to attack us at once? 03-lmfao

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(07-29-2014 05:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 05:28 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I heard it best when a military analyst said the people in that region of the world "do not have the intellect to understand or appreciate the concept of democracy and freedom"

I tend to agree.


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(07-29-2014 10:14 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 10:08 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 08:44 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They in large part entirely reject the extremes of Western and American culture, our government, and imperialist tendencies in both.

The saying is, "we love America but hate your government."

What imperialist tendencies? Giving people a chance for self-rule and freedom is not imperialist tendencies.

The US doesn't account for 47% of the world's military spending just to protect itself.

If spending money to be prepared, you consider it imperialist tendencies? What would you call invading Crimea? The only land the US demands is a place to bury our dead soldiers. You two need a reality check.

What are we preparing for, the entire world to attack us at once? 03-lmfao

What do you think the United Nations is for?
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(07-29-2014 10:20 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 10:14 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 10:08 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 08:44 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  What imperialist tendencies? Giving people a chance for self-rule and freedom is not imperialist tendencies.

The US doesn't account for 47% of the world's military spending just to protect itself.

If spending money to be prepared, you consider it imperialist tendencies? What would you call invading Crimea? The only land the US demands is a place to bury our dead soldiers. You two need a reality check.

What are we preparing for, the entire world to attack us at once? 03-lmfao

What do you think the United Nations is for?

Something something something conspiracy?
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(07-29-2014 09:42 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 08:44 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:29 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  They in large part entirely reject the extremes of Western and American culture, our government, and imperialist tendencies in both.

The saying is, "we love America but hate your government."

What imperialist tendencies? Giving people a chance for self-rule and freedom is not imperialist tendencies.

The US doesn't account for 47% of the world's military spending just to protect itself.
True, is to protect others also. A country attacked at Pearl Harbor and 9/11 had best have the best military because if we had a poor military we would be in serious hurt right now.

We can do the same thing without spending 3 times more in total than the next 5 largest spenders. What we are now doing is simply nothing more than defense welfare.
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(07-29-2014 03:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You'd be hard pressed to find many willing to say anything against Jihad. Especially the clergy.

Well, yeah, I'd imagine so. To most muslims jihad is about a personal/internal struggle to live right and get themselves right with God.

Equating jihad to suicide bombers is like equating the KKK with trying to promote Christianity.
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(07-30-2014 07:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 03:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You'd be hard pressed to find many willing to say anything against Jihad. Especially the clergy.

Well, yeah, I'd imagine so. To most muslims jihad is about a personal/internal struggle to live right and get themselves right with God in the absence of any kind of life challenge such as mean cartoons, in which case you can equate jihad to suicide bombers

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