(07-30-2014 08:52 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 08:25 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 09:20 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The AAC is still pretty much where the Big East was. Better than the rest but never a real member of the power club either.

I have a problem with this statement, although I tend to agree with your overall point.

If the Big East wasn't a "real member" of the power club when they had Miami, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, BC, Cuse, et al...then of course the current makeup of the AAC doesn't constitute a "power" conference either.

However, look at the schools I just named as former Big East members. Would you call these schools "power" schools? Of course you would. Why? Just because they moved from one conference to another? If you think the ACC is a power conference (which I assume you do), they took almost half of the teams from the old Big East.

What is your reasoning there? The ACC surely thought at least half of the Big East conference was "power-worthy".

If that is your reasoning, then just slap a new title on the AAC and...voilà. Power conference.

The problem with that is that it equates the Big East in 1991 to being equal to the Big East in its last 2 years and we all know thats not true.

As I said, the AAC is a lot like the Big East. Unquestionably able to compete with the P5 but lacking the power money and influence they have from big, powerful and wealthy fan bases. This was reflected in the Big East never getting a BCS bowl home that wanted them every year and likewise with no contract bowl desiring a relationship with the AAC.

This puts them in that same no mans land of above the rest of the G5 but not a member of the club either.

So naturally the AAC wants to "fight its way in" and thats fine. Grow your fan bases, grow your rivalries, grow your brand and eventually someone will take a chance on you because they believe you too can make them the big bucks. There is literally nothing the P5 can do to stop the Cotton, Peach or Orange Bowl from deciding to become a contract bowl with your champion or ESPN from offering you a big fat pay day for your TV rights.

I should also point out that while in similar circumstances, their paths are the opposite of each other. The Big East was a former power conference that had lost its glory while the AAC is a non-power conference that is growing into a potential power conference

At the end of the day, that's what makes you a power conference: if somebody thinks you can make them the big bucks. We will recognize that when they start paying you the big bucks. Until then, the labels don't matter.

(07-30-2014 09:11 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 08:52 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 08:25 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 09:20 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The AAC is still pretty much where the Big East was. Better than the rest but never a real member of the power club either.

I have a problem with this statement, although I tend to agree with your overall point.

If the Big East wasn't a "real member" of the power club when they had Miami, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, BC, Cuse, et al...then of course the current makeup of the AAC doesn't constitute a "power" conference either.

However, look at the schools I just named as former Big East members. Would you call these schools "power" schools? Of course you would. Why? Just because they moved from one conference to another? If you think the ACC is a power conference (which I assume you do), they took almost half of the teams from the old Big East.

What is your reasoning there? The ACC surely thought at least half of the Big East conference was "power-worthy".

If that is your reasoning, then just slap a new title on the AAC and...voilà. Power conference.

The problem with that is that it equates the Big East in 1991 to being equal to the Big East in its last 2 years and we all know thats not true.

As I said, the AAC is a lot like the Big East. Unquestionably able to compete with the P5 but lacking the power money and influence they have from big, powerful and wealthy fan bases. This was reflected in the Big East never getting a BCS bowl home that wanted them every year and likewise with no contract bowl desiring a relationship with the AAC.

This puts them in that same no mans land of above the rest of the G5 but not a member of the club either.

So naturally the AAC wants to "fight its way in" and thats fine. Grow your fan bases, grow your rivalries, grow your brand and eventually someone will take a chance on you because they believe you too can make them the big bucks. There is literally nothing the P5 can do to stop the Cotton, Peach or Orange Bowl from deciding to become a contract bowl with your champion or ESPN from offering you a big fat pay day for your TV rights.

Very fair analysis.

Off topic, do you have an opinion on your former QB, Matt Davis? Do you think he can win the starting job at SMU without the experience in the Run N Shoot offense - bascially, is he talented/athletcially skilled enough to compensate for his lack of system knowledge?

Matt is a really talented kid and his dual threat nature means he should adapt to a R&S pretty well. So I would imagine he'll contend for the start. If he ends up starting, then I may have to go to the Iron Skillet game this year just for the entertainment value of two former A&M QBs Matt Davis vs Matt Joeckel under center for the Frogs and Ponies

(07-29-2014 12:55 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 12:37 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Giving speeches seems like the easy part, yet there are a lot of commissioners out there who couldn't have given a speech like that.

Couldn't is not the word I would have used, but wouldn't.

I think that everyone agrees that what they did was a killer job, given all of the chaos they had. However this strike me as a inferiority complex by that, conference commissioner.

I agree. It's great that we have someone who is our cheerleader and being proud of our accomplishments. But this guy went way beyond that and kept making comparisons to other, clearly better, conferences. That smacks of an inferiority complex.

Thanks 10th

Even though there was quite a bit of cheerleading in the speech, I believe every other commissioner did the exact same thing - that's part of their job.

The only thing that makes a conference a "power" conference today is the amount of TV revenue generated. Unfortunately, winning doesn't matter. Just look at the bottom half of the P5 - they're never going to compete for the championship playoff - they're just getting a paycheck. And adding Maryland and Rutgers adds nothing to the B1G, just more TV revenue. The simple fact is that the top half of each conference is carrying the rest. There are only about 10-12 teams that will ever make the 4-team playoff - that's it.

So to deride Aresco for pointing out the wins against "P5" schools is disingenuous. If he doesn't do it, no one else will. Winning leads to more fans which leads to more TV viewers which leads to more TV revenue. If the AAC negotiates a better TV deal next time around, then the AAC will have earned their place at the table - and winning is the only way to get there.

(07-30-2014 08:52 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  .......naturally the AAC wants to "fight its way in" and thats fine. Grow your fan bases, grow your rivalries, grow your brand and eventually someone will take a chance on you because they believe you too can make them the big bucks.........

That's the plan. Hopefully, having excellent exposure beginning this Fall combined with the big successes enjoyed last year, will enable that to take place. One thing for sure: the AAC has an excellent commissioner.

If this speech is regarded as the normal Commish's speech to hype the media folks and the fan base, it was a fine speech. If Arseco and AAC leadership really believe in this hype, that's a tragedy. It continues the failure for the NonBCS conferences to organize and resist all the impediments being placed in front of it by BCS.

Regarding AAC being a "power" conference, Arseco left out the most important "power" statistic in his speech. BCS conferences, within the very recent past, have jumped their payouts from about $10/$12 million per school to about the $20 million range, and going, going, going up. That's a $10 million jump.

The "power" statistic Arseco left out which defines college football today is tv dollar payout per school. This statistic, without question, documents AAC as a NonBCS school. The AAC conference tv contact of $4 million payout per school equals the payout for one football game per B12 school from the Sugar Bowl. Neither did Arseco touch upon the loss of the Orlando, Charlotte, and Pinstribe Bowls.

AAC is a fine basketball conference, With Cincy rejoining its old Missouri Valley colleagues of Memphis, Houston, and Tulsa, and if one thinks of UConn as a replacement for Louisville, it very much reminds me of the old Missouri Valley.

(07-30-2014 12:24 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  If this speech is regarded as the normal Commish's speech to hype the media folks and the fan base, it was a fine speech. If Arseco and AAC leadership really believe in this hype, that's a tragedy. It continues the failure for the NonBCS conferences to organize and resist all the impediments being placed in front of it by BCS.

Regarding AAC being a "power" conference, Arseco left out the most important "power" statistic in his speech. BCS conferences, within the very recent past, have jumped their payouts from about $10/$12 million per school to about the $20 million range, and going, going, going up. That's a $10 million jump.

The "power" statistic Arseco left out which defines college football today is tv dollar payout per school. This statistic, without question, documents AAC as a NonBCS school. The AAC conference tv contact of $4 million payout per school equals the payout for one football game per B12 school from the Sugar Bowl. Neither did Arseco touch upon the loss of the Orlando, Charlotte, and Pinstribe Bowls.

AAC is a fine basketball conference, With Cincy rejoining its old Missouri Valley colleagues of Memphis, Houston, and Tulsa, and if one thinks of UConn as a replacement for Louisville, it very much reminds me of the old Missouri Valley.

The AAC receives the best conference $ distribution, I believe, and tv accounts for $1.8 to $2 million per school, iirc. When did they start getting a tv payout of $4 million per school?

(07-30-2014 12:32 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:24 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  If this speech is regarded as the normal Commish's speech to hype the media folks and the fan base, it was a fine speech. If Arseco and AAC leadership really believe in this hype, that's a tragedy. It continues the failure for the NonBCS conferences to organize and resist all the impediments being placed in front of it by BCS.

Regarding AAC being a "power" conference, Arseco left out the most important "power" statistic in his speech. BCS conferences, within the very recent past, have jumped their payouts from about $10/$12 million per school to about the $20 million range, and going, going, going up. That's a $10 million jump.

The "power" statistic Arseco left out which defines college football today is tv dollar payout per school. This statistic, without question, documents AAC as a NonBCS school. The AAC conference tv contact of $4 million payout per school equals the payout for one football game per B12 school from the Sugar Bowl. Neither did Arseco touch upon the loss of the Orlando, Charlotte, and Pinstribe Bowls.

AAC is a fine basketball conference, With Cincy rejoining its old Missouri Valley colleagues of Memphis, Houston, and Tulsa, and if one thinks of UConn as a replacement for Louisville, it very much reminds me of the old Missouri Valley.

The AAC receives the best conference $ distribution, I believe, and tv accounts for $1.8 to $2 million per school, iirc. When did they start getting a tv payout of $4 million per school?

I think you are correct. It may be $4/M from all conference distribution of monies from all sources.

To highlight the money floating around BCS, the OU/Texas game in Dallas nets each school $7 million. So, with this game, and the $4/M from Sugar Bowl, that is $11 million for OU and Texas from 2 football games.

(07-30-2014 07:53 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Which does anyone think is more likely

1 - The AAC joins the P5 to become the P6. Having the other P5 share the money pot?

Or

2. The P5 has the B12 take 2-4 teams to nullify the AAC & MWC. Thus allowing a few schools to become Judas and stay at the P5?

I know where I would put my money.

Or:
1) The ACC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams + Notre Dame.
2) The SEC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
3) The Big 10 adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
4) The PAC 12 adds 4 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
5) Big 12 adds 6 more teams and goes to 16 teams.

Now the P5 is made up 81 teams. 16 new teams have been add. The MWC has 12 teams as does the American. The question now becomes which 8 teams gets left behind in the G5 and what will their conference be called!

(07-30-2014 01:42 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 07:53 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Which does anyone think is more likely

1 - The AAC joins the P5 to become the P6. Having the other P5 share the money pot?

Or

2. The P5 has the B12 take 2-4 teams to nullify the AAC & MWC. Thus allowing a few schools to become Judas and stay at the P5?

I know where I would put my money.

Or:
1) The ACC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams + Notre Dame.
2) The SEC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
3) The Big 10 adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
4) The PAC 12 adds 4 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
5) Big 12 adds 6 more teams and goes to 16 teams.

Now the P5 is made up 81 teams. 16 new teams have been add. The MWC has 12 teams as does the American. The question now becomes which 8 teams gets left behind in the G5 and what will their conference be called!

Good theory and i'd be over the moon if this were to happen. However, my cynical side says the P5s will only increase their exclusionary attitude, not acquiesce to those 16 teams.

(07-29-2014 09:20 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The AAC is still pretty much where the Big East was. Better than the rest but never a real member of the power club either.

Not sure which BE you are refering to the original with no FB, the second with FB, the third without UoL, UC and USF or the fourth, last year. But a few of those versions were very much a member of the the so called power club. And had multiple BB & FB national championships to go along with it.

(07-30-2014 12:37 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:32 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:24 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  If this speech is regarded as the normal Commish's speech to hype the media folks and the fan base, it was a fine speech. If Arseco and AAC leadership really believe in this hype, that's a tragedy. It continues the failure for the NonBCS conferences to organize and resist all the impediments being placed in front of it by BCS.

Regarding AAC being a "power" conference, Arseco left out the most important "power" statistic in his speech. BCS conferences, within the very recent past, have jumped their payouts from about $10/$12 million per school to about the $20 million range, and going, going, going up. That's a $10 million jump.

The "power" statistic Arseco left out which defines college football today is tv dollar payout per school. This statistic, without question, documents AAC as a NonBCS school. The AAC conference tv contact of $4 million payout per school equals the payout for one football game per B12 school from the Sugar Bowl. Neither did Arseco touch upon the loss of the Orlando, Charlotte, and Pinstribe Bowls.

AAC is a fine basketball conference, With Cincy rejoining its old Missouri Valley colleagues of Memphis, Houston, and Tulsa, and if one thinks of UConn as a replacement for Louisville, it very much reminds me of the old Missouri Valley.

The AAC receives the best conference $ distribution, I believe, and tv accounts for $1.8 to $2 million per school, iirc. When did they start getting a tv payout of $4 million per school?

I think you are correct. It may be $4/M from all conference distribution of monies from all sources.

To highlight the money floating around BCS, the OU/Texas game in Dallas nets each school $7 million. So, with this game, and the $4/M from Sugar Bowl, that is $11 million for OU and Texas from 2 football games.

Or just go to 14. Tulane, UCONN, UCF, Cincy to give the b12 a north east team, fl, Ohio and New Orleans. P12. BYU & Boise. Possibly Fresno & Boise, with BYU doing a ND with the p12 or B12.

(07-30-2014 12:37 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:32 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:24 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  If this speech is regarded as the normal Commish's speech to hype the media folks and the fan base, it was a fine speech. If Arseco and AAC leadership really believe in this hype, that's a tragedy. It continues the failure for the NonBCS conferences to organize and resist all the impediments being placed in front of it by BCS.

Regarding AAC being a "power" conference, Arseco left out the most important "power" statistic in his speech. BCS conferences, within the very recent past, have jumped their payouts from about $10/$12 million per school to about the $20 million range, and going, going, going up. That's a $10 million jump.

The "power" statistic Arseco left out which defines college football today is tv dollar payout per school. This statistic, without question, documents AAC as a NonBCS school. The AAC conference tv contact of $4 million payout per school equals the payout for one football game per B12 school from the Sugar Bowl. Neither did Arseco touch upon the loss of the Orlando, Charlotte, and Pinstribe Bowls.

AAC is a fine basketball conference, With Cincy rejoining its old Missouri Valley colleagues of Memphis, Houston, and Tulsa, and if one thinks of UConn as a replacement for Louisville, it very much reminds me of the old Missouri Valley.

The AAC receives the best conference $ distribution, I believe, and tv accounts for $1.8 to $2 million per school, iirc. When did they start getting a tv payout of $4 million per school?

I think you are correct. It may be $4/M from all conference distribution of monies from all sources.

To highlight the money floating around BCS, the OU/Texas game in Dallas nets each school $7 million. So, with this game, and the $4/M from Sugar Bowl, that is $11 million for OU and Texas from 2 football games.

Or just go to 14. Tulane, UCONN, UCF, Cincy to give the b12 a north east team, fl, Ohio and New Orleans. P12. BYU & Boise. Possibly Fresno & Boise, with BYU doing a ND with the p12 or B12.

(07-30-2014 01:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:42 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 07:53 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Which does anyone think is more likely

1 - The AAC joins the P5 to become the P6. Having the other P5 share the money pot?

Or

2. The P5 has the B12 take 2-4 teams to nullify the AAC & MWC. Thus allowing a few schools to become Judas and stay at the P5?

I know where I would put my money.

Or:
1) The ACC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams + Notre Dame.
2) The SEC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
3) The Big 10 adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
4) The PAC 12 adds 4 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
5) Big 12 adds 6 more teams and goes to 16 teams.

Now the P5 is made up 81 teams. 16 new teams have been add. The MWC has 12 teams as does the American. The question now becomes which 8 teams gets left behind in the G5 and what will their conference be called!

Good theory and i'd be over the moon if this were to happen. However, my cynical side says the P5s will only increase their exclusionary attitude, not acquiesce to those 16 teams.

I think what Wilkie mention above is very plausible, mainly b/c they're many programs in the AAC who I believe can and aren't shy about competing with anyone from the so called p5.

As a Trojan/Coog, I hope Houston lands in the PAC... My

(07-30-2014 03:32 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:42 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 07:53 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Which does anyone think is more likely

1 - The AAC joins the P5 to become the P6. Having the other P5 share the money pot?

Or

2. The P5 has the B12 take 2-4 teams to nullify the AAC & MWC. Thus allowing a few schools to become Judas and stay at the P5?

I know where I would put my money.

Or:
1) The ACC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams + Notre Dame.
2) The SEC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
3) The Big 10 adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
4) The PAC 12 adds 4 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
5) Big 12 adds 6 more teams and goes to 16 teams.

Now the P5 is made up 81 teams. 16 new teams have been add. The MWC has 12 teams as does the American. The question now becomes which 8 teams gets left behind in the G5 and what will their conference be called!

Good theory and i'd be over the moon if this were to happen. However, my cynical side says the P5s will only increase their exclusionary attitude, not acquiesce to those 16 teams.

I think what Wilkie mention above is very plausible, mainly b/c they're many programs in the AAC who I believe can and aren't shy about competing with anyone from the so called p5.

As a Trojan/Coog, I hope Houston lands in the PAC... My

Yeah, my comment had nothing to do with those G5 program's ability to compete. I know they can. My comment was more about the P5's ability to consistently choose their pocket book over the legacy of the game. They never fail to disappoint.

(07-30-2014 07:41 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 03:32 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:55 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 01:42 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 07:53 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Which does anyone think is more likely

1 - The AAC joins the P5 to become the P6. Having the other P5 share the money pot?

Or

2. The P5 has the B12 take 2-4 teams to nullify the AAC & MWC. Thus allowing a few schools to become Judas and stay at the P5?

I know where I would put my money.

Or:
1) The ACC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams + Notre Dame.
2) The SEC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
3) The Big 10 adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
4) The PAC 12 adds 4 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
5) Big 12 adds 6 more teams and goes to 16 teams.

Now the P5 is made up 81 teams. 16 new teams have been add. The MWC has 12 teams as does the American. The question now becomes which 8 teams gets left behind in the G5 and what will their conference be called!

Good theory and i'd be over the moon if this were to happen. However, my cynical side says the P5s will only increase their exclusionary attitude, not acquiesce to those 16 teams.

I think what Wilkie mention above is very plausible, mainly b/c they're many programs in the AAC who I believe can and aren't shy about competing with anyone from the so called p5.

As a Trojan/Coog, I hope Houston lands in the PAC... My

Yeah, my comment had nothing to do with those G5 program's ability to compete. I know they can. My comment was more about the P5's ability to consistently choose their pocket book over the legacy of the game. They never fail to disappoint.

You right Knightsweat... I didn't mean to over view your point

(07-30-2014 07:53 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Which does anyone think is more likely

1 - The AAC joins the P5 to become the P6. Having the other P5 share the money pot?

Or

2. The P5 has the B12 take 2-4 teams to nullify the AAC & MWC. Thus allowing a few schools to become Judas and stay at the P5?

1 is much more likely than 2. The B12 doesn't want to expand and won't be forced to.

(07-30-2014 01:42 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 07:53 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Which does anyone think is more likely

1 - The AAC joins the P5 to become the P6. Having the other P5 share the money pot?

Or

2. The P5 has the B12 take 2-4 teams to nullify the AAC & MWC. Thus allowing a few schools to become Judas and stay at the P5?

I know where I would put my money.

Or:
1) The ACC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams + Notre Dame.
2) The SEC adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
3) The Big 10 adds 2 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
4) The PAC 12 adds 4 more teams and goes to 16 teams.
5) Big 12 adds 6 more teams and goes to 16 teams.

Now the P5 is made up 81 teams. 16 new teams have been add. The MWC has 12 teams as does the American. The question now becomes which 8 teams gets left behind in the G5 and what will their conference be called!

That is how I see it way down the line. Maybe ND basically stays Indy but is also the 16th team. Same with BYU. That would leave 14 new teams.

Despite Little Mike's huffs & puffs (ok, I know he's just doing his job), the AAC is a long way from being considered a P6 conference. At least by impartial observers.