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RE: Sex website seizure spurs San Francisco bid to decriminalize prostitution
(07-29-2014 04:03 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 10:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 10:32 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 10:14 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Oh yeah, the problem in America isn't the budget, the economy, and the moral decay.

So you admit the budget is a huge problem! Yet you continue to vote for 1 of the 2 parties that continue to be pro-big gov't, pro-big spending. Those of us whom are constantly attacked by Okla and you are for balancing the budget, shrinking the federal government's size, and paying off our debt. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are interested in balancing the budget, they will just continue to spend and maintain power between both parties.

Quote:The problem in America is we don't have open drug and prostitution markets! 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

You miss the entire point that Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and other Libertarians make.

BALANCE THE BUDGET AND LIVE LIFE HOW YOU WANT. RESPONSIBLY.

Don't make the gov't be a parent to you or your kids. Don't hurt other people or their property. Be respectful.

You guys always want to point at Libertarians as drug pushers and such, when that is not the case at all. Libertarians don't give a crap what you do in your life as long as you aren't hurting others (or their stuff) and you aren't a cost to society. Both Republicans and Democrats want to legislate morality. My morals and your morals aren't the same and I don't want someone to tell me how to live my life.

The only true capitalist party in this country would be the Libertarians because they want the gov't out of the way so that people can earn money.

By setting up our own drug cartels, we could really alleviate some of the problems on the border. Legal drugs, no Mexican cartels. Then Mexico becomes a peaceful and productive country again. We have to remember that it's our fault. We wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem if we made sure all Americans could buy their blow from domestic sources.

By making illicit drugs and prostitution more readily available, we could generate enough revenue to pay down our national debt. Legal prostitution means safer sex and may even encourage entrepreneurship for women who would otherwise have no marketable skills.

The Netherlands would disagree with you in part. In recent years, they've cracked down on this, because of the increased 'associated' issues that's been occurring for this.\

I see (and understand) the argument for decriminalizing prostitution.

Okay, let me ask you a hypothetical question. You have a john who goes to a couple of 'back alley' prostitutes, and ends up getting HIV from one of them (and she knows she has it, but doesn't care). Only they dont' catch it for YEARS. However, in that time, he's had intercourse with regular hook-ups, and infected them.

THEN he finds out he got it, but due to his history, they have no clue who specifically he got it from. HE informs some of his recent hook-ups about the situation, but do you really think he knows the specific prostitute that gave it to him? Do you think she'll be found?

Now you no longer have a victim-less crime (remember, the prostitute KNEW she was infected, and in various court cases, this has been declared a crime), but who do you go after/investigate?

turn on your sarcasm meter. I was making fun of his dumbassness.
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RE: Sex website seizure spurs San Francisco bid to decriminalize prostitution
Maybe this thread should be combined with the LGBT job fair thread. Legalized prostitution in San Francisco sure sounds like a LGBT only career to me. 03-lmfao
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(07-29-2014 06:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 05:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Interesting thread, I view this topic as having a lot of similarities to child porn.

Not a chance in hell john...


"consenting adults" != Child pornography.. and to equate the two shows a lack of morals all around.

No you completely mistook what I wrote.

I am not saying I look in them at the same way in regards to legalization.

I look at this as two types of crime that as black market industries, they have been completely changed due to new technology. I don't think we can use a pre 2000s talking points considering how social media & the internet have radicalized not only by making this more accessible, but changing the demographics as well.
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(07-29-2014 06:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 05:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Interesting thread, I view this topic as having a lot of similarities to child porn. The internet has radically altered the industry and enforcement of it is nearly impossible now. Regardless of how we feel about the issue on a moral & statistical basis, we need to look at a new reality that the internet has turned it into something that is now widely practiced and impossible to enforce.

Never really cared enough about prostitution to voice an opinion supporting legalization, although I would probably agree with the libertarian values of it and the stats regarding STDs & pregnancy probably suggest it's a good idea.

So john0 is the first lefty here to call for legalizing child porn? Or has Memphis beat him to the punch?

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and where did I ever call for legalizing child porn?

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(07-29-2014 08:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so you completely mistook what I wrote.

Did you not write the following words?

Quote: I view this topic as having a lot of similarities to child porn.

This thread is about the full-legalization (or decriminalization) of prostitution, whether on a national or state-by-state basis (and the possible pros and cons of it). How can child pornography be dropped in the same category? When NOBODY should be in favor of child-porn legalization

Heck, I'm trying to think of a country's laws that allow for child pornography,

So why even drop it in this thread, when there's absolutely nothing "similar" about it?
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sounds like a state right issue.
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(07-29-2014 10:25 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 08:46 PM)john01992 Wrote:  so you completely mistook what I wrote.

Did you not write the following words?

Quote: I view this topic as having a lot of similarities to child porn.

This thread is about the full-legalization (or decriminalization) of prostitution, whether on a national or state-by-state basis (and the possible pros and cons of it). How can child pornography be dropped in the same category? When NOBODY should be in favor of child-porn legalization

Heck, I'm trying to think of a country's laws that allow for child pornography,

So why even drop it in this thread, when there's absolutely nothing "similar" about it?

did you not cut the part out of my post where I elaborated on what I was talking about:

I view this topic as having a lot of similarities to child porn. The internet has radically altered the industry and enforcement of it is nearly impossible now. Regardless of how we feel about the issue on a moral & statistical basis, we need to look at a new reality that the internet has turned it into something that is now widely practiced and impossible to enforce.

No you didn't because you are a whinny little b.itch. I can handle dixies, bullsh.it, but this is the absolute lowest that a poster can sink to.

You don't see me editing other peoples posts in an attempt to purposely manipulate what they are saying.
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If you had left the argument as Marijuana usage or the argument for drug usage, John. Your entire post would fall into a reasonable consideration, John.

As for the claim that "the internet makes something unenforcable".

There are no laws that are _Unenforceable_, (there are questionable, poorly written, or just plain -bad- laws) unless people choose NOT to enforce them. So it has no justification in the debate.
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(07-29-2014 10:46 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  If you had left the argument as Marijuana usage or the argument for drug usage, John. Your entire post would fall into a reasonable consideration, John.

As for the claim that "the internet makes something unenforcable".

There are no laws that are _Unenforceable_, unless people choose NOT to enforce them. So it has no justification in the debate.

guess we will just have to agree to disagree. In this day & age teenagers have 24/7 access to cameras and the ability to send them to a friend electronically at any moment. At the same time there's no stamp on a photo that says "this person is underage, this one isn't," so like how a conflict diamond gets mixed into a batch of legitimate diamonds, once it happens there is no telling which ones are clean & which ones are dirty.
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So sticking with the c-p statement you made... "We can't stop child pornography because of technology", we have to consider the decriminalization/legalization of it?

I"ve been trying to give you the benefit of a doubt on your statement, but I'm still seeing the same result.

Quote:I view this topic as having a lot of similarities to child porn. The internet has radically altered the industry and enforcement of it is nearly impossible now. Regardless of how we feel about the issue on a moral & statistical basis, we need to look at a new reality that the internet has turned it into something that is now widely practiced and impossible to enforce.

The way that is written, it's "hey, the new reality is we can't stop the illegal activity of X, because of technology, so we can't enforce any laws on it". (Again, substitute prostitution, child pornography, drug usage, whatever activity you choose as "X"). That's why I noted that there are no unenforcable laws. Some may be more difficult to enforce, but that doesn't make illegal activity X, Y, or Z any more right and attacked at the moment.)

The question is, should prostitution be taken off the "illegal activity" list? Which people are willing to make an argument for. But I don't think anyone, other than your statement about 'being unable to enforce the laws', is even suggesting child pornography should come off the list.
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(07-29-2014 11:09 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  So sticking with the c-p statement you made... "We can't stop child pornography because of technology", we have to consider the decriminalization/legalization of it?

I"ve been trying to give you the benefit of a doubt on your statement, but I'm still seeing the same result.

Quote:I view this topic as having a lot of similarities to child porn. The internet has radically altered the industry and enforcement of it is nearly impossible now. Regardless of how we feel about the issue on a moral & statistical basis, we need to look at a new reality that the internet has turned it into something that is now widely practiced and impossible to enforce.

The way that is written, it's "hey, the new reality is we can't stop the illegal activity of X, because of technology, so we can't enforce any laws on it". (Again, substitute prostitution, child pornography, drug usage, whatever activity you choose as "X"). That's why I noted that there are no unenforcable laws. Some may be more difficult to enforce, but that doesn't make illegal activity X, Y, or Z any more right and attacked at the moment.)

The question is, should prostitution be taken off the "illegal activity" list? Which people are willing to make an argument for. But I don't think anyone, other than your statement about 'being unable to enforce the laws', is even suggesting child pornography should come off the list.

I never once said we should decriminalize/legalize child porn. All I said was we have to look at the new reality and use that reality to adjust the way we approach arguing this issue. The technology caused the demographics of who commits both crimes and the frequency of doing so to change. All I said was that we need to stop looking at it through morals (the argument core right wingers make) and statistics (the argument libertarians/liberals make).
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I dunno, John. When I hear someone say "something is impossible to enforce", it sound like they're just willing to give up on any enforcement whatsoever. (in effect, decriminalization)

Note I never accused you of saying to decrim/legalize child porn, only meant that your statement seems to lean in that favor.
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(07-29-2014 11:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I dunno, John. When I hear someone say "something is impossible to enforce", it sound like they're just willing to give up on any enforcement whatsoever. (in effect, decriminalization)

Note I never accused you of saying to decrim/legalize child porn, only meant that your statement seems to lean in that favor.

The part of child porn that's impossible to enforce is the demographic of offenders that didn't exist on this scale 20 years ago.
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(07-29-2014 04:09 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Jesse Ventura? You mean the man that is suing the grieving widow of America's Most Deadly Sniper because in a book that was written he said he knocked out some loud mouth in a bar.. Then months later admitted it was Ventura.. That piece of sh*t?

Actually it just came out.. Ventura got $1.8M in a jury decision...

Yea.. That whole verdict is bullsh*t.

There were 11 people that witnessed it, and testified to it.

What Ventura was claiming was that he got de-famed by the comment. It wasn't in the book. It came out in an interview later on.

He wanted $15 million.
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(07-29-2014 04:28 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:09 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Jesse Ventura? You mean the man that is suing the grieving widow of America's Most Deadly Sniper because in a book that was written he said he knocked out some loud mouth in a bar.. Then months later admitted it was Ventura.. That piece of sh*t?

Actually it just came out.. Ventura got $1.8M in a jury decision...

That verdict was B.S. Even if you buy there was negligence, I don't see any damages. Ventura's career was in the tank long before the book came out. He was somewhat respecable 15-20 years ago, but over time it became obvious the guy was a member of the "tin foil hat club". His last few attempts to regain stardom fell flat on their face.
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(07-30-2014 07:07 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:28 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 04:09 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Jesse Ventura? You mean the man that is suing the grieving widow of America's Most Deadly Sniper because in a book that was written he said he knocked out some loud mouth in a bar.. Then months later admitted it was Ventura.. That piece of sh*t?

Actually it just came out.. Ventura got $1.8M in a jury decision...

Yea.. That whole verdict is bullsh*t.

There were 11 people that witnessed it, and testified to it.

What Ventura was claiming was that he got de-famed by the comment. It wasn't in the book. It came out in an interview later on.

He wanted $15 million.

He claimed the statement made him a pariah to the Seal community but i would think suing for 15 million from the deadliest seal sniper whom i sure had a lot of respect in the navy seal community is a great way to reclaim his status with them01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle01-wingedeagle03-puke
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(07-29-2014 11:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 11:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I dunno, John. When I hear someone say "something is impossible to enforce", it sound like they're just willing to give up on any enforcement whatsoever. (in effect, decriminalization)

Note I never accused you of saying to decrim/legalize child porn, only meant that your statement seems to lean in that favor.

The part of child porn that's impossible to enforce is the demographic of offenders that didn't exist on this scale 20 years ago.

So you are suggesting that child porn should be legal?
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(07-30-2014 08:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 11:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 11:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I dunno, John. When I hear someone say "something is impossible to enforce", it sound like they're just willing to give up on any enforcement whatsoever. (in effect, decriminalization)

Note I never accused you of saying to decrim/legalize child porn, only meant that your statement seems to lean in that favor.

The part of child porn that's impossible to enforce is the demographic of offenders that didn't exist on this scale 20 years ago.

So you are suggesting that child porn should be legal?

You have to be an idiot to think that is what I am saying after reading this thread.
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Live and let live. Who cares what happens between consenting adults

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(07-30-2014 09:21 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 08:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 11:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 11:32 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I dunno, John. When I hear someone say "something is impossible to enforce", it sound like they're just willing to give up on any enforcement whatsoever. (in effect, decriminalization)

Note I never accused you of saying to decrim/legalize child porn, only meant that your statement seems to lean in that favor.

The part of child porn that's impossible to enforce is the demographic of offenders that didn't exist on this scale 20 years ago.

So you are suggesting that child porn should be legal?

You have to be an idiot to think that is what I am saying after reading this thread.

I don't know John. That's kinda what it sounds like. You are taking the "we can't stop it, might as well allow it" stance.
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