This year, the Power 5 conference produced the following draft picks:

SEC - 49
ACC -42
Pac 12 - 34
Big 10 - 30
Big 12 - 17

That's 172 total.

The MWC and American combined to produce 28 draft picks. The other G5 schools produced 22.

On NFL Rosters:

SEC - 367
ACC - 301
Pac 12 - 273
Big 10 - 258
Big 12 - 167
American + MWC - 262
Other G5 - 192

Should the American and MWC approach the NFL and ask for funding to keep up with the Power 5 autonomy legislation? We are important to the NFL as feeders. All of college football is a free minor league for the NFL.

While the Power schools don't need any NFL supplemental money to remain competitive, the G5 conferences sure could use a boost given the disparity in TV money.

Would the NFL give $100M a year to the American and MWC (~$4M per school) so that those schools could remain viable "minor leauge" franchises for the NFL?

As a whole, how much do baseball teams spend on their minor league payrolls? It's got to be over $1B per year.

(07-26-2014 08:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  This year, the Power 5 conference produced the following draft picks:

SEC - 49
ACC -42
Pac 12 - 34
Big 10 - 30
Big 12 - 17

That's 172 total.

The MWC and American combined to produce 28 draft picks. The other G5 schools produced 22.

On NFL Rosters:

SEC - 367
ACC - 301
Pac 12 - 273
Big 10 - 258
Big 12 - 167
American + MWC - 262
Other G5 - 192

Should the American and MWC approach the NFL and ask for funding to keep up with the Power 5 autonomy legislation? We are important to the NFL as feeders. All of college football is a free minor league for the NFL.

While the Power schools don't need any NFL supplemental money to remain competitive, the G5 conferences sure could use a boost given the disparity in TV money.

Would the NFL give $100M a year to the American and MWC (~$4M per school) so that those schools could remain viable "minor leauge" franchises for the NFL?

As a whole, how much do baseball teams spend on their minor league payrolls? It's got to be over $1B per year.

If you would like the players to vote on union status at every AAC school, go ahead with that plan.

(07-27-2014 12:48 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 08:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  This year, the Power 5 conference produced the following draft picks:

SEC - 49
ACC -42
Pac 12 - 34
Big 10 - 30
Big 12 - 17

That's 172 total.

The MWC and American combined to produce 28 draft picks. The other G5 schools produced 22.

On NFL Rosters:

SEC - 367
ACC - 301
Pac 12 - 273
Big 10 - 258
Big 12 - 167
American + MWC - 262
Other G5 - 192

Should the American and MWC approach the NFL and ask for funding to keep up with the Power 5 autonomy legislation? We are important to the NFL as feeders. All of college football is a free minor league for the NFL.

While the Power schools don't need any NFL supplemental money to remain competitive, the G5 conferences sure could use a boost given the disparity in TV money.

Would the NFL give $100M a year to the American and MWC (~$4M per school) so that those schools could remain viable "minor leauge" franchises for the NFL?

As a whole, how much do baseball teams spend on their minor league payrolls? It's got to be over $1B per year.

If you would like the players to vote on union status at every AAC school, go ahead with that plan.

Endowments don't create unions. I personally applaud CougerRed's "out of the box" thinking.

(07-26-2014 08:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Should the American and MWC approach the NFL and ask for funding to keep up with the Power 5 autonomy legislation? We are important to the NFL as feeders. All of college football is a free minor league for the NFL.

Just a wild guess, but I bet the NFL figures that if anything happens to us, those kids that we send to the NFL will just go to other schools and they will still get them anyway.

(07-27-2014 06:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 08:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Should the American and MWC approach the NFL and ask for funding to keep up with the Power 5 autonomy legislation? We are important to the NFL as feeders. All of college football is a free minor league for the NFL.

Just a wild guess, but I bet the NFL figures that if anything happens to us, those kids that we send to the NFL will just go to other schools and they will still get them anyway.

Only 22 kids can be on the field at the same time. The more kids who take the field in major college football, the better it is for the NFL. The more film they have, etc.

The last thing the NFL should want is Power Schools stockpiling even more talent due to FCOA & other rules where a bunch of talented kids never see the light of day.

(07-27-2014 07:10 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 06:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 08:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Should the American and MWC approach the NFL and ask for funding to keep up with the Power 5 autonomy legislation? We are important to the NFL as feeders. All of college football is a free minor league for the NFL.

Just a wild guess, but I bet the NFL figures that if anything happens to us, those kids that we send to the NFL will just go to other schools and they will still get them anyway.

Only 22 kids can be on the field at the same time. The more kids who take the field in major college football, the better it is for the NFL. The more film they have, etc.

The last thing the NFL should want is Power Schools stockpiling even more talent due to FCOA & other rules where a bunch of talented kids never see the light of day.

The NFL did just fine back before their were scholarship limits and Alabama could have 300 kids on their roster. It's not like AAC schools will go away, we will just be at a "lower level" of football, whatever that means, and those same kids will still be playing and visible to NFL scouts.

Note to June: THIS is out-of-the-box thinking. The spring football idea is defeatist mumbo-jumbo.

Imagine the recruiting juice of a joint press conference with Aresco, Thompson and the NFL commissioner announcing the partnership with statements from the NFL how important college football is to them generally, and specifically the schools of the American and MWC conferences.

It would capture the attention of the P5, I assure you.

(07-27-2014 08:03 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Imagine the recruiting juice of a joint press conference with Aresco, Thompson and the NFL commissioner announcing the partnership with statements from the NFL how important college football is to them generally, and specifically the schools of the American and MWC conferences.

It would capture the attention of the P5, I assure you.

I imagine if Warren Buffett and Bill Gates had a press conference donating $100 million to the AAC that would have some juice, too. But how is this any less fanciful than the notion of spring football?

The NFL has no incentive to keep the AAC as a "major" football conference, heck we are already G5. I imagine they have about 257 issues on their plate that is of more relevance to them.

I mean, the NFL is going to give *$100 million a year* to the AAC and MWC for .... ?????

(07-27-2014 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The NFL did just fine back before their were scholarship limits and Alabama could have 300 kids on their roster.

Compared to today? No it didn't.

This will never happen. The NFL will not become involved in corporate welfare.

(07-27-2014 08:33 AM)DrBox Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The NFL did just fine back before their were scholarship limits and Alabama could have 300 kids on their roster.

Compared to today? No it didn't.

er, What do you mean?

(07-27-2014 08:57 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  This will never happen. The NFL will not become involved in corporate welfare.

Yes, it's astonishing that June Jone's idea about spring football has been universally disparaged as "way out there" but the notion that the NFL is going to give AAC/MWC schools One Hundred Million Dollars A Year for absolutely no conceivable reason is being taken seriously!

(07-26-2014 08:07 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  This year, the Power 5 conference produced the following draft picks:

SEC - 49
ACC -42
Pac 12 - 34
Big 10 - 30
Big 12 - 17

That's 172 total.

The MWC and American combined to produce 28 draft picks. The other G5 schools produced 22.

On NFL Rosters:

SEC - 367
ACC - 301
Pac 12 - 273
Big 10 - 258
Big 12 - 167
American + MWC - 262
Other G5 - 192

Should the American and MWC approach the NFL and ask for funding to keep up with the Power 5 autonomy legislation? We are important to the NFL as feeders. All of college football is a free minor league for the NFL.

While the Power schools don't need any NFL supplemental money to remain competitive, the G5 conferences sure could use a boost given the disparity in TV money.

Would the NFL give $100M a year to the American and MWC (~$4M per school) so that those schools could remain viable "minor leauge" franchises for the NFL?

As a whole, how much do baseball teams spend on their minor league payrolls? It's got to be over $1B per year.

It's a nice thought but I don't see the NFL getting involved....if a kid is good enough to play in the NFL he will find his way there. I know these kids are the exceptions rather than the rules, but guys like Jerry Rice, Tim Krumrie, etc all played at little tiny schools that weren't even FBS and still made it to the pros. The point is if a kid is good enough, even if the G5 become the new FCS, they will still get their shot at the NFL.

(07-27-2014 08:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:33 AM)DrBox Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The NFL did just fine back before their were scholarship limits and Alabama could have 300 kids on their roster.

Compared to today? No it didn't.

er, What do you mean?

I mean that the NFL is far more popular and a much stronger league than it was in the early 1970s. More and broader talent is a reason.

(07-27-2014 08:57 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  This will never happen. The NFL will not become involved in corporate welfare.

No corporate welfare for NFL franchises?
LOL - good one.

(07-27-2014 09:20 AM)DrBox Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:33 AM)DrBox Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The NFL did just fine back before their were scholarship limits and Alabama could have 300 kids on their roster.

Compared to today? No it didn't.

er, What do you mean?

I mean that the NFL is far more popular and a much stronger league than it was in the early 1970s. More and broader talent is a reason.

The NFL isn't much richer/popular/stronger compared to the overall society today than it was in the 1970s. And of course since USA population is up 100 million during that time the talent is broader and deeper.

But to claim that the reason for all that is the existence of the AAC and MWC is pretty laughable.

(07-27-2014 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 09:20 AM)DrBox Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:33 AM)DrBox Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The NFL did just fine back before their were scholarship limits and Alabama could have 300 kids on their roster.

Compared to today? No it didn't.

er, What do you mean?

I mean that the NFL is far more popular and a much stronger league than it was in the early 1970s. More and broader talent is a reason.

The NFL isn't much richer/popular/stronger compared to the overall society today than it was in the 1970s. And of course since USA population is up 100 million during that time the talent is broader and deeper.

But to claim that the reason for all that is the existence of the AAC and MWC is pretty laughable.

What metric are you using to make this statement...or are you using Rush Limbaugh's method of pulling soothing out of his butt to "prove" his point? Just curious.

I agree with your second statement though...the NFL doesn't give a rip about the AAC/MWC success.


edit: not flaming you quo, just wondering where you get the data for your statement about the NFL because from where I sit, the NFL is a LOT better off than it was in the 70's/80's. Baseball was #1 in America back then and now clearly the NFL has eclipsed everything.

(07-27-2014 09:48 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 09:20 AM)DrBox Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:33 AM)DrBox Wrote:  Compared to today? No it didn't.

er, What do you mean?

I mean that the NFL is far more popular and a much stronger league than it was in the early 1970s. More and broader talent is a reason.

The NFL isn't much richer/popular/stronger compared to the overall society today than it was in the 1970s. And of course since USA population is up 100 million during that time the talent is broader and deeper.

But to claim that the reason for all that is the existence of the AAC and MWC is pretty laughable.

What metric are you using to make this statement...or are you using Rush Limbaugh's method of pulling soothing out of his butt to "prove" his point? Just curious.

I agree with your second statement though...the NFL doesn't give a rip about the AAC/MWC success.


edit: not flaming you quo, just wondering where you get the data for your statement about the NFL because from where I sit, the NFL is a LOT better off than it was in the 70's/80's. Baseball was #1 in America back then and now clearly the NFL has eclipsed everything.

I pulled it out of my arse, yes. But his point seemed trivial. Yes, the statistics would probably show that the average NFL franchise is worth $1 Billion today and was worth $40 million in 1975, a ginormous increase even adjusting for inflation and GDP.

But, the same would hold true for MLB and NBA franchises as well. Everything has skyrocketed so silly to attribute this to the AAC/MWC.

As for comparison with MLB, i disagree: Circa 1975, NFL had surpassed MLB as the #1 sport.

And MLB is underestimated: This year, NFL revenues will be about $9.5 Billion but MLB revenues will be about $8 Billion compared to the NBA around $5 Billion.

(07-27-2014 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  And of course since USA population is up 100 million during that time the talent is broader and deeper.

Scholarship numbers are down re: Title IX.
And population growth is up 100 million.

Is it any wonder that that American and MWC schools are producing a lot of NFL talent?

The NFL won't ever be concerned about the success of the G5 conferences vis a vis the P5. But it may very well be concerned about the viability of the G5 conferences.

(07-27-2014 10:04 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  And of course since USA population is up 100 million during that time the talent is broader and deeper.

Scholarship numbers are down re: Title IX.
And population growth is up 100 million.

Is it any wonder that that American and MWC schools are producing a lot of NFL talent?

The NFL won't ever be concerned about the success of the G5 conferences vis a vis the P5. But it may very well be concerned about the viability of the G5 conferences.

There is simply no evidence or reason to believe that unless there is a G5 group of conferences - as opposed to some other configuration - that the NFL is likely to perceive some kind of talent drought.