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Nate Vejvoda de-committed from Miami today... committed to Iowa.

Colton McKivitz de-committed a few weeks ago... committed to West Virginia.

Goes to show a few things:
1. Similar to Fleck's class last year, Martin is recruiting top talent.
2. De-commits happen everywhere. We aren't the only ones losing kids to P5 schools (think Edwards to Wisconsin, Cason to Purdue, Prader to Syracuse).

CMU on the other hand probably won't have to worry about this. Their recruits aren't exactly in high demand... well, except maybe some Patriot League schools.

We have a few 2015 kids I hope we can keep. Time will tell. DE committing now a days doesn't seem to be a big deal for these kids.

Peejs greatest accomplishment by far IMO was such a high rate of early commits that stuck. Quite impressive.

(07-26-2014 08:48 PM)Doo Wrote:  Peejs greatest accomplishment by far IMO was such a high rate of early commits that stuck. Quite impressive.

Good point!!!!

(07-26-2014 08:48 PM)Doo Wrote:  Peejs greatest accomplishment by far IMO was such a high rate of early commits that stuck. Quite impressive.

It was kind of impressive and surprising, I'll admit that, until we got a gander what PJ is telling these kids to keep them hooked.

I think if he can keep the 2015 class intact then that'll be the telltale sign that he's legitimate as a recruiter or not.

Much like his first year record, one time through is too early to tell.

(07-26-2014 11:27 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I think if he can keep the 2015 class intact then that'll be the telltale sign that he's legitimate as a recruiter or not.

Much like his first year record, one time through is too early to tell.

Oh, he can sell, I have no doubt about that. It's what he's selling that worries and angers me. PJ has apparently snow-jobbed at least some of the guys coming here that they're unbelievably talented and NFL material, if not First Round Pick material. What happens when all those pipedreams blow up? Happy and cohesive team?

He will have to use that verbal talent to keep them happy. Some of the most successful coaches in the world could sell a "screw job" to a player and have them like it, thinking Bowden at FSU, Carroll at SoCal, Kelly everywhere, you get the picture?

Some of those types coast through life, I'm hoping we have a younger version of them and he goes on to win.

Might not be our cup of tea, but hey, that's life.

(07-26-2014 11:40 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  He will have to use that verbal talent to keep them happy. Some of the most successful coaches in the world could sell a "screw job" to a player and have them like it, thinking Bowden at FSU, Carroll at SoCal, Kelly everywhere, you get the picture?

Some of those types coast through life, I'm hoping we have a younger version of them and he goes on to win.

Might not be our cup of tea, but hey, that's life.

I'm sure you're right that PJ is not the only one who does it but I still think (aside from the crappy ethics involved) that it may well backfire on the program and team when the pipedreams explode. I guess we'll find out at some point because he's selling some serious bullsh!t to these kids if the Tyree Stone experience is indicative. PJ's best hope is to keep, oh wait, "start" winning and soon into this second year. Success and failure both tend to snowball. So far it's all just talk, talk, talk, talk.

Here is the issue that I have with Tyree's quote...

Now, obviously, none of us were in the room, but saying "I'm going to make you a first round pick" v. "I'm going to do everything I can to make you a first round pick" and "You are going to play man corner all game" v. "You can play man corner all game" are DRASTICALLY different.

Trust me, I'm no apologist and this is the first time in about a decade that I didn't renew my season tickets (for several reasons). However, I work with high school kids, and they hear exactly what they want to hear. Tyree even said so in the referenced post. A couple of words make ALL of the difference and a salesman (recruiter) knows EXACTLY how to use them. Now Fleck is, agreeably, unseasoned in this regard and he may have said the exact words that Tyree quoted. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if Tyree relayed his interpretation of what he heard.

It's ok to have high goals and a positive attitude.

But goals are usually set in a progressive series. It isn't realistic to make the kid a draft pick made as a promise. Achieving goals is based on aLot of things, mostly the hard work of the athlete.

These things are not bestowed as an anointing or a blessing. That is the work of gods, not head coaches.

But I totally agree, we were not in the room. The actual conversation may have had an entirely different context.

How many 1st round picks did Fleck coach or recruit at NIU? Rutgers?

We're certainly not known for our long line of highly-drafted Corners. Heck the MAC as a whole isn't.

If Stone believes playing for Fleck-us will get him there, good for him.

History says otherwise.

(07-26-2014 11:21 PM)coax Wrote:  It was kind of impressive and surprising, I'll admit that, until we got a gander what PJ is telling these kids to keep them hooked.

Have you even read quotes from the 50+ other players that have committed to the program since Fleck's been here?

(07-27-2014 07:07 AM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  However, I work with high school kids, and they hear exactly what they want to hear.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Lets just say I have experience listening to Peejs pitch (and staff) to a kid. While they talked big, and made the kid feel like they had high regard for them, I never thought they crossed any line. They lay it on thick...real thick. But I've heard bigger BS from other staffs. Peej makes each kid feel like they are the best guy in that spot they are recruiting and nobody else matters.

(07-26-2014 11:37 PM)coax Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:27 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I think if he can keep the 2015 class intact then that'll be the telltale sign that he's legitimate as a recruiter or not.

Much like his first year record, one time through is too early to tell.

Oh, he can sell, I have no doubt about that. It's what he's selling that worries and angers me. PJ has apparently snow-jobbed at least some of the guys coming here that they're unbelievably talented and NFL material, if not First Round Pick material. What happens when all those pipedreams blow up? Happy and cohesive team?

None of us know what PJ said in private to a recruit and his family, all you know is filtered gossip that's not worth repeating. Talk about ethics.

Once again just proves that "verbals" don't mean a damn thing, and neither do recruiting rankings until LOI day - if then.

I think it's interesting how tightly wrapped some fans are about verbals when it's to their advantage, but if there is a negative perception attached to the verbal, just how quick the same fan is to dismiss it as "just verbal", and you can't really believe what a HS kid says or hears.

Feel sorry for these young men in a way.

Not unique to this board.

Hoople said the same thing all last fall about our 2014 class... meanwhile we went 1-11, kept our verbal commits, and didn't have one defect on National Signing Day. Every single one of our verbals signed LOI's. Do you understand how rare that is? Let alone, a MAC school?

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2...essiv.html

Quote:Most of the players that signed had offers from other programs with some receiving offers from top tier schools in major conferences. They all said no and stuck with the Broncos as Fleck signed all 24 players on Wednesday that were listed online as his recruits.

But yeah, they don't mean a thing... again.