The threatened NonBCS monopoly lawsuit against BCS should also include a civil rights component, which, in fact, might be as strong or stronger than the monopoly question. The college experience is supposed to include athletic competition, given the many statements made by NonBCS and BCS College Presidents. The BCS's actions are detrimental to this aspect in two ways. First, BCS is not allow students and athletes in NonBCS to have this experience. Second, B12 Commish is now saying some athletes may get excluded all together because of financial limitiations (imposed by BCS, of course!) and not have a collegiate athletic competition experience.

All this because college sports within a university has assumed a life o its own so it can pay its football coaches $3/$5 million and the Athletic Directors $500,00+.....this is what is driving BCS within its members. Wonder how much those colleges pay their physics, math, and engineering profs?

At this point, having lost every attempt to gain a more equitable position, NonBCS should first threaten a monopoly &/or civil rights suit against BCS...but first try to get BCS to the negotiation table. If efforts fail here, then proceed with the lawsuit.

B12 COMMISH'S DIRE WARNING

What threatened lawsuit?

(07-25-2014 11:02 AM)brista21 Wrote:  What threatened lawsuit?

I think it's the one Tallgrass is threatening to file, if he can find a lawyer willing to do it for free.

There is no BCS anymore. Can we please stop using that term.

The Big12 commish sure seems to come across as underqualified to speak publicly compared to his peers...

Any G5 suit against the P5 would be beyond idiotic. Really, forgot the legal issues and pretend like the G5 won and the court ruled that all NCAA FBS conferences had to have a stronger chance at the national championship and/or equal money (or more equal money). What would be the result of that?

The result would almost certainly be the power 5 forming their own set-up to that would be separate from the NCAA or NAIA (the NAIA is a different organization that some schools are in rather than the NCAA). Really, imagine how they could set this up. Let's call it the CAA (College Athletic Association)

1. The CAA could set-up 4 divisions.
2. The Power 5 would set themselves be in division 1 to start and could make a rule that every new member to division 1 would have to approved by a majority vote from all members.
3. They could then invite any NCAA member they wanted to join division 2, 3, and 4. (It's up to those schools to come or not)
4. The CAA tournament could be a combined division 1 and 2 and be 68 teams if desired.
5. Division 1 itself would be small and the G5 wouldn't be in it (they'd be division 2)
6. Division 1 could set up a rule that allowed as many as 3/4 games vs. division 2 (which would include a lot of current G5).

In short, they could largely replace the NCAA with a new voluntary organization they created and with a set-up they approve of. Now not all NCAA members would join, but I think most of division 1 would. The only reason we haven't gone here is the P5 legitiately don't want to push the G5 down.

(07-25-2014 11:16 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  There is no BCS anymore. Can we please stop using that term.

Exactly...the BCS is Gone....

(07-25-2014 02:08 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Any G5 suit against the P5 would be beyond idiotic. Really, forgot the legal issues and pretend like the G5 won and the court ruled that all NCAA FBS conferences had to have a stronger chance at the national championship and/or equal money (or more equal money). What would be the result of that?

The result would almost certainly be the power 5 forming their own set-up to that would be separate from the NCAA or NAIA (the NAIA is a different organization that some schools are in rather than the NCAA). Really, imagine how they could set this up. Let's call it the CAA (College Athletic Association)

1. The CAA could set-up 4 divisions.
2. The Power 5 would set themselves be in division 1 to start and could make a rule that every new member to division 1 would have to approved by a majority vote from all members.
3. They could then invite any NCAA member they wanted to join division 2, 3, and 4. (It's up to those schools to come or not)
4. The CAA tournament could be a combined division 1 and 2 and be 68 teams if desired.
5. Division 1 itself would be small and the G5 wouldn't be in it (they'd be division 2)
6. Division 1 could set up a rule that allowed as many as 3/4 games vs. division 2 (which would include a lot of current G5).

In short, they could largely replace the NCAA with a new voluntary organization they created and with a set-up they approve of. Now not all NCAA members would join, but I think most of division 1 would. The only reason we haven't gone here is the P5 legitiately don't want to push the G5 down.

I would be willing to bet that UConn and Cincy would have nothing to do with this idea.

You can't file a lawsuit just for them breaking away. You could only file a lawsuit if the breakaway engaged in anticompetitive behavior and you were damaged by it.

(07-25-2014 03:04 PM)Bearcat Billy Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:08 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Any G5 suit against the P5 would be beyond idiotic. Really, forgot the legal issues and pretend like the G5 won and the court ruled that all NCAA FBS conferences had to have a stronger chance at the national championship and/or equal money (or more equal money). What would be the result of that?

The result would almost certainly be the power 5 forming their own set-up to that would be separate from the NCAA or NAIA (the NAIA is a different organization that some schools are in rather than the NCAA). Really, imagine how they could set this up. Let's call it the CAA (College Athletic Association)

1. The CAA could set-up 4 divisions.
2. The Power 5 would set themselves be in division 1 to start and could make a rule that every new member to division 1 would have to approved by a majority vote from all members.
3. They could then invite any NCAA member they wanted to join division 2, 3, and 4. (It's up to those schools to come or not)
4. The CAA tournament could be a combined division 1 and 2 and be 68 teams if desired.
5. Division 1 itself would be small and the G5 wouldn't be in it (they'd be division 2)
6. Division 1 could set up a rule that allowed as many as 3/4 games vs. division 2 (which would include a lot of current G5).

In short, they could largely replace the NCAA with a new voluntary organization they created and with a set-up they approve of. Now not all NCAA members would join, but I think most of division 1 would. The only reason we haven't gone here is the P5 legitiately don't want to push the G5 down.

I would be willing to bet that UConn and Cincy would have nothing to do with this idea.

And East Carolina would?

(07-25-2014 10:38 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The threatened NonBCS monopoly lawsuit against BCS should also include a civil rights component, which, in fact, might be as strong or stronger than the monopoly question. The college experience is supposed to include athletic competition, given the many statements made by NonBCS and BCS College Presidents. The BCS's actions are detrimental to this aspect in two ways. First, BCS is not allow students and athletes in NonBCS to have this experience. Second, B12 Commish is now saying some athletes may get excluded all together because of financial limitiations (imposed by BCS, of course!) and not have a collegiate athletic competition experience.

All this because college sports within a university has assumed a life o its own so it can pay its football coaches $3/$5 million and the Athletic Directors $500,00+.....this is what is driving BCS within its members. Wonder how much those colleges pay their physics, math, and engineering profs?

At this point, having lost every attempt to gain a more equitable position, NonBCS should first threaten a monopoly &/or civil rights suit against BCS...but first try to get BCS to the negotiation table. If efforts fail here, then proceed with the lawsuit.

B12 COMMISH'S DIRE WARNING

Financial consideration is not a civil rights issue by itself.

(07-25-2014 10:38 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The threatened NonBCS monopoly lawsuit against BCS should also include a civil rights component, which, in fact, might be as strong or stronger than the monopoly question. The college experience is supposed to include athletic competition, given the many statements made by NonBCS and BCS College Presidents. The BCS's actions are detrimental to this aspect in two ways. First, BCS is not allow students and athletes in NonBCS to have this experience. Second, B12 Commish is now saying some athletes may get excluded all together because of financial limitiations (imposed by BCS, of course!) and not have a collegiate athletic competition experience.

Man I did not know my Civil Rights were violated...... because "the college experience is suppose to include athletic competetion" and they would not let me play on any of the athletic teams.

How ridiculous can it get.

Poor P5 conferences. Hard to believe what he said.

"I think all of that in the end will cause programs to be eliminated. I think you'll see men's Olympic sports go away as a result of the new funding challenges that are coming down the pike," he said.

Read more at http://www.wralsportsfan.com/big-12-comm...sfP60zG.99

Those that say a lawsuit would have no effect would have other things to say if the rest of college athletics
received something like a trillion dollar judgment. Nothing is permanent in life. Even the good life.
Hope common sense prevails though, lawsuits mainly make attorneys money.

Where do people come up with this
Stuff I hear crazy stuff on Atlanta
Sports radio daily.

They were actually speculating on
What city the break away P5s would
Have their headquarters.

Has everyone gone nuts. Ten
Conferences signed a CFP agreement
through 2025. That agreement takes
10 votes to change anything

So there will not be any lawsuits
There will not be any successions.
There will not be any changes to increase
The number from 4

They even said when they singed
This.

They Considered models with more
Teams and they dismissed them.

Does anyone remember all the years
Of the BCS. It was 2 teams. Did
They ever add any more teams
Noooo!

So you can bring up these issues again
In 2025

(07-25-2014 08:44 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  Where do people come up with this
Stuff I hear crazy stuff on Atlanta
Sports radio daily.

They were actually speculating on
What city the break away P5s would
Have their headquarters.

Has everyone gone nuts. Ten
Conferences signed a CFP agreement
through 2025. That agreement takes
10 votes to change anything

So there will not be any lawsuits
There will not be any successions.
There will not be any changes to increase
The number from 4

They even said when they singed
This.

They Considered models with more
Teams and they dismissed them.

Does anyone remember all the years
Of the BCS. It was 2 teams. Did
They ever add any more teams
Noooo!

So you can bring up these issues again
In 2025

Killjoy.......posting facts when everybody was having a good time with insane speculation

You know Tallgrass is just being a Troll right...think about it...he knows the BCS no longer exist and the AAC, MWC, Sunbelt, C-USA & MWC all agreed to the current 4 Team College Football Playoffs....

(07-25-2014 08:44 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  Where do people come up with this
Stuff I hear crazy stuff on Atlanta
Sports radio daily.

They were actually speculating on
What city the break away P5s would
Have their headquarters.

Has everyone gone nuts. Ten
Conferences signed a CFP agreement
through 2025. That agreement takes
10 votes to change anything

So there will not be any lawsuits
There will not be any successions.
There will not be any changes to increase
The number from 4

They even said when they singed
This.

They Considered models with more
Teams and they dismissed them.

Does anyone remember all the years
Of the BCS. It was 2 teams. Did
They ever add any more teams
Noooo!

So you can bring up these issues again
In 2025

I agree with most of this except the BCS WAS modified multiple times during its run. Some were minor tweaks like modifying the components of the computer models. Some where major like adding an additional BCS bowl and building in new rules for non-AQ access. If everyone wanted to expand to an 8 team playoff, the 6 year mark would be the ideal spot to make some renovations to the current plan.

(07-25-2014 08:44 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  Where do people come up with this
Stuff I hear crazy stuff on Atlanta
Sports radio daily.

They were actually speculating on
What city the break away P5s would
Have their headquarters.

Has everyone gone nuts. Ten
Conferences signed a CFP agreement
through 2025. That agreement takes
10 votes to change anything

So there will not be any lawsuits
There will not be any successions.
There will not be any changes to increase
The number from 4

They even said when they singed
This.

They Considered models with more
Teams and they dismissed them.

Does anyone remember all the years
Of the BCS. It was 2 teams. Did
They ever add any more teams
Noooo!

So you can bring up these issues again
In 2025

Worst......Haiku........everrrrrrrrrrrr.......

(You know you all were thinking it)

(07-27-2014 10:19 AM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 08:44 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  Where do people come up with this
Stuff I hear crazy stuff on Atlanta
Sports radio daily.

They were actually speculating on
What city the break away P5s would
Have their headquarters.

Has everyone gone nuts. Ten
Conferences signed a CFP agreement
through 2025. That agreement takes
10 votes to change anything

So there will not be any lawsuits
There will not be any successions.
There will not be any changes to increase
The number from 4

They even said when they singed
This.

They Considered models with more
Teams and they dismissed them.

Does anyone remember all the years
Of the BCS. It was 2 teams. Did
They ever add any more teams
Noooo!

So you can bring up these issues again
In 2025

Worst......Haiku........everrrrrrrrrrrr.......

(You know you all were thinking it)

(07-25-2014 02:55 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 11:16 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  There is no BCS anymore. Can we please stop using that term.

Exactly...the BCS is Gone....

In name only, in spirit and principles it is still there...