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http://hamptonroads.com/2014/07/coker-us...ld-program

What UTSA has done in their short existence is even more impressive than what ODU has. They went 7-5 last year in C-USA in only their 3rd season of playing. That's crazy.

Not to mention I'm envious of their stadium situation and ability to schedule home games vs. big programs (Arizona, ASU, Baylor, OK St.).

Good article.

So, ODU needs to go 8-4 this year. Or Better

They were recruiting for FBS from day 1, no?

(07-25-2014 12:56 PM)CUSAmonarchman Wrote:  They were recruiting for FBS from day 1, no?

Correct

They faced a whole lot of FBS recruited players on the other side of that line of scrimmage though. Not too many Chowans, NC Centrals, VA Unions, etc in that success story. They killed it at a higher level.

(07-25-2014 08:21 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  They faced a whole lot of FBS recruited players on the other side of that line of scrimmage though. Not too many Chowans, NC Centrals, VA Unions, etc in that success story. They killed it at a higher level.

They recruited at a higher level. I haven't looked but I'm sure they played a couple fcs games which would be our equivalent to playing D2.

Yes but what does "recruited at a higher level" really mean as a practical matter? They were a brand new program trying to get the bast kids they could to come and play at a place that had no existence or tradition. That's the same as ODU, getting the best we could to start it up.

Neither program had a long term schedule built that defined them as FBS, FCS, or D-II. They were in the same boat as us, sold a vision to those that would come and happened to get wins against better competition from the start.

So I think they deserve credit for that amazing job without qualifications or caviat.

"Recruited at a higher level" when you also "played at a higher level" serves to balance out the issue, assuming the first part was done right. No doubt what they've done is impressive, but it's not the same type of start-up story as ours.

I wonder if we had started up as a FBS school, how good would we be right now?

(07-27-2014 08:56 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Yes but what does "recruited at a higher level" really mean as a practical matter? They were a brand new program trying to get the bast kids they could to come and play at a place that had no existence or tradition. That's the same as ODU, getting the best we could to start it up.

Neither program had a long term schedule built that defined them as FBS, FCS, or D-II. They were in the same boat as us, sold a vision to those that would come and happened to get wins against better competition from the start.

So I think they deserve credit for that amazing job without qualifications or caviat.

Agreed. UTSA has done many things very well in a short period of time. Their startup success has had no impact on ours, and I strongly respect what they have accomplished to date. Future games will be compelling
with them for that reason, and this league needs storylines with the geography so challenging.

(07-25-2014 08:33 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 08:21 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  They faced a whole lot of FBS recruited players on the other side of that line of scrimmage though. Not too many Chowans, NC Centrals, VA Unions, etc in that success story. They killed it at a higher level.

They recruited at a higher level. I haven't looked but I'm sure they played a couple fcs games which would be our equivalent to playing D2.

They played 2 NAIA, 1 D2 and 1 D3 in 2011 (and whatever South Alabama was classified as. They had a weird startup process) and 2 D2 schools in 2012.

One of UTSA's opponents was fake.

True. When they announced that football was coming, they weren't an announced FBS team. They got the invitation before the first game was played though. Good for them. Still doesn't make it easier. I'd argue it was tougher based on who they had to play but that's just me.

I wonder how our posters would feel about ODU's successful start up if someone argued that we were at an advantage based on who was on the other sideline. Has nothing to do with what you did with your recruiting. All this said, I cannot wait to see us play them. I don't buy that the level is different at all and think our guys would prove it.

My post was mainly in response to fear the lion. If you are going to be playing in the FBS you are going to have more chances to get better recruits than FCS. That is what I meant by recruiting at a higher level. Yes they balance each other out just like recruiting for FCS and playing FCS. Thanks to devyanks 90 they apparently played a couple Chowans, NC Centrals and Ca Unions as well.

Cool. We can just disagree on what's tougher--starting up a program with wins vs FCS competition or starting up a program with wins vs FBS competition.

But to shift a bit, here's an article that also shows how perspectives shift depending on what side you are viewing from. Most on here believe we will win at home vs EMU. This writer, who gives us credit for being a very good story thinks they shouldn't take a loss in Norfolk this year.

I suppose if I was at EMU, I wouldn't expect to lose to a FCS transitional either...

http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football/2...-early-non

I'm not saying either is tougher. Starting up against FCS competition as an FCS member is just as tough as starting up against FBS competition as an FBS member. What UTSA has done is amazing but it does not discount what we have done because we did it at the FCS level.

(07-28-2014 10:42 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Cool. We can just disagree on what's tougher--starting up a program with wins vs FCS competition or starting up a program with wins vs FBS competition.

But to shift a bit, here's an article that also shows how perspectives shift depending on what side you are viewing from. Most on here believe we will win at home vs EMU. This writer, who gives us credit for being a very good story thinks they shouldn't take a loss in Norfolk this year.

I suppose if I was at EMU, I wouldn't expect to lose to a FCS transitional either...

http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football/2...-early-non

Easter Michigan is just awful. They shouldn't be considered a FBS team. ODU has been better than them since inception. EMU has the lowest all time winning percentage in FBS history whereas ODU has the highest.

We will beat them by significantly more than we beat Hampton. Lock it up.


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(07-28-2014 11:55 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:42 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Cool. We can just disagree on what's tougher--starting up a program with wins vs FCS competition or starting up a program with wins vs FBS competition.

But to shift a bit, here's an article that also shows how perspectives shift depending on what side you are viewing from. Most on here believe we will win at home vs EMU. This writer, who gives us credit for being a very good story thinks they shouldn't take a loss in Norfolk this year.

I suppose if I was at EMU, I wouldn't expect to lose to a FCS transitional either...

http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football/2...-early-non

Easter Michigan is just awful. They shouldn't be considered a FBS team. ODU has been better than them since inception. EMU has the lowest all time winning percentage in FBS history whereas ODU has the highest.

We will beat them by significantly more than we beat Hampton. Lock it up.


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*Insert humble, yet confident emoticon*