Plagiarism

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(10-11-2014 03:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Plagiarism

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only if you get caught.....

you teach?????

shameful it is.....a good teacher wouldn't have to have students that have to cheat...

oh, my mistake, it's human nature to survive

you're lying if you are an educator and don't pencil whip the ones with talent and coddle the ones that don't....if you didn't do the latter, you wouldn't have you pos 38k job.....

don't even come with the standardized test req't bs.....that's a joke like everything else created for the masses by our gubborment

I am continually amazed at the simple minded isolationists......

(10-11-2014 01:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Do you know whether or not they had permission?

I don't personally have that knowledge. I'm guessing however that if a news organization is bold enough to use that charge, then they have looked into it.

Considering the source, I'm guessing they haven't. And given the nature of the statements involved, I'm quite certain that permission would be no more than a mere formality. I would assume that if permission were not granted, Amash would be suing. And I haven't heard that he is, have you?
I'm guessing that's one of those lawsuits that will die for want of a plaintiff.

So are you saying this didn't happen?

I'm saying that what happened is is not necessarily plagiarism, and most likely is not plagiarism.

Two points:

1) Plagiarism is unpermitted use. These guys play on the same team. The fact that two people with similar views express their views on a specific issue in similar language does not indicate plagiarism. For all we know, they may both be taking their language from some third position point memo. But if Amash or his staff came up with it and the other guy used it, that's probably fine with Amash. That's what I meant by no lawsuit for want of a plaintiff. I don't have standing to allege any violation, neither do you. Amash does, but he's not going to. No plaintiff, no problem.

2) That lawsuit would be for copyright infringement, not plagiarism. Copyright infringement is a legal issue, but plagiarism per se is not a legal concept. It is primarily an ethical concept in academia or business, and this isn't academia or business.

So the master's thesis is plagiarism but this isn't, because the contexts are different and because there is no indication of permission in the master's thesis.

I disagree. plagiarism isn't unpermitted use, it's passing someone else's ideas as your own whether by permitting or not.

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Plagiarism is largely an academia concept, and this isn't academia. The comparable real world equivalent is copyright infringement, and permission is always a defense. The other factor is that the quotes deal largely with positions on issues, and guess what, if you and have the same position on an issue, our statements regarding such issues are going to sound a lot alike.

Yeah but word for word?

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(10-12-2014 08:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Yeah but word for word?

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Seriously how do you plagiarize "talking points"?

It's like accusing Hillary of plagiarizing Susan Rice on Benghazi.

(10-12-2014 08:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Yeah but word for word?

Yes, word for word, or nearly so. How else would you do it? There are only so many ways to express a very specific point. And these were not exactly word for word.

And again, plagiarism is an academic concept. You're not going to sue somebody for "plagiarism" in the real world. You sue for copyright infringement. And consent is a defense. And the only one with standing to sue would be Amash. And he's not suing.

You are trying to impose a standard that does not apply.