Quote: We don't know that is Israel, never ever put it past Hamas to kill their own people for propaganda reasons. It would be right down the fairway in the Hamas propaganda playbook which is why this incident is being investigated. If it was Israel, there are mistakes in war, it is unfortunate its not perfect, especially in one of the most populated parts of the world.

You're right.. there are mistakes in war.

(07-26-2014 10:37 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Never ever will I blame Israel for defending itself, never.

I'm not blaming Israel, either. It's obvious that they don't have the easiest job when it comes to National Security. But you can at least agree that they haven't done things 100% right, either.

(07-26-2014 10:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:18 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:59 PM)Max Power Wrote:  And Israel values life huh? That must be why they're cheering with popcorn in lawn chairs as they watch bombs rain down on Palestinians and they're bombing hospitals and schools.

See:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...02704.html

Here's an actual video of the Popcorn eating
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=569261509862828

Anti-Semitism is a bad thing, and you should not fall into the propaganda traps set by those across the world who share that bigotry (including mainstream media) If your next door neighbor was barbaric and a terrorist you would do everything and anything to protect yourself.

MD the fact that you would label Someone a bigot or antisemite for criticiZing the actions of Israel is small minded and frankly dispicable. There are plenty of Jewish folks who criticize Israel and their actions. Are they antisemites as well?

(07-26-2014 11:14 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 10:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:18 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:59 PM)Max Power Wrote:  And Israel values life huh? That must be why they're cheering with popcorn in lawn chairs as they watch bombs rain down on Palestinians and they're bombing hospitals and schools.

See:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...02704.html

Here's an actual video of the Popcorn eating
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=569261509862828

Anti-Semitism is a bad thing, and you should not fall into the propaganda traps set by those across the world who share that bigotry (including mainstream media) If your next door neighbor was barbaric and a terrorist you would do everything and anything to protect yourself.

MD the fact that you would label Someone a bigot or antisemite for criticiZing the actions of Israel is small minded and frankly dispicable. There are plenty of Jewish folks who criticize Israel and their actions. Are they antisemites as well?

How in Gods name can there be another side of an argument to a country defending itself over thousands of terrorist missle attacks. It would be like trying to defend a child molestor, what possible argument is there. Just because our country has gone into a turtle and withdrawn, doesn't mean Israel should accept unprovoked attacks.

(07-26-2014 11:18 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:14 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 10:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:18 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:59 PM)Max Power Wrote:  And Israel values life huh? That must be why they're cheering with popcorn in lawn chairs as they watch bombs rain down on Palestinians and they're bombing hospitals and schools.

See:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...02704.html

Here's an actual video of the Popcorn eating
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=569261509862828

Anti-Semitism is a bad thing, and you should not fall into the propaganda traps set by those across the world who share that bigotry (including mainstream media) If your next door neighbor was barbaric and a terrorist you would do everything and anything to protect yourself.

MD the fact that you would label Someone a bigot or antisemite for criticiZing the actions of Israel is small minded and frankly dispicable. There are plenty of Jewish folks who criticize Israel and their actions. Are they antisemites as well?

How in Gods name can there be another side of an argument to a country defending itself over thousands of terrorist missle attacks. It would be like trying to defend a child molestor, what possible argument is there. Just because our country has gone into a turtle and withdrawn, doesn't mean Israel should accept unprovoked attacks.

I tried to explain earlier that it wasn't an 'unprovoked attack.'

(07-26-2014 11:37 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:18 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:14 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 10:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 03:18 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  Here's an actual video of the Popcorn eating
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=569261509862828

Anti-Semitism is a bad thing, and you should not fall into the propaganda traps set by those across the world who share that bigotry (including mainstream media) If your next door neighbor was barbaric and a terrorist you would do everything and anything to protect yourself.

MD the fact that you would label Someone a bigot or antisemite for criticiZing the actions of Israel is small minded and frankly dispicable. There are plenty of Jewish folks who criticize Israel and their actions. Are they antisemites as well?

How in Gods name can there be another side of an argument to a country defending itself over thousands of terrorist missle attacks. It would be like trying to defend a child molestor, what possible argument is there. Just because our country has gone into a turtle and withdrawn, doesn't mean Israel should accept unprovoked attacks.

I tried to explain earlier that it wasn't an 'unprovoked attack.'

Being Jewish is not provocation, I strongly strongly disagree with that. Hamas would obviously prefer the entire world be radical Islam, but that just isn't realistic.

(07-26-2014 11:49 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:37 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:18 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:14 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 10:20 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Anti-Semitism is a bad thing, and you should not fall into the propaganda traps set by those across the world who share that bigotry (including mainstream media) If your next door neighbor was barbaric and a terrorist you would do everything and anything to protect yourself.

MD the fact that you would label Someone a bigot or antisemite for criticiZing the actions of Israel is small minded and frankly dispicable. There are plenty of Jewish folks who criticize Israel and their actions. Are they antisemites as well?

How in Gods name can there be another side of an argument to a country defending itself over thousands of terrorist missle attacks. It would be like trying to defend a child molestor, what possible argument is there. Just because our country has gone into a turtle and withdrawn, doesn't mean Israel should accept unprovoked attacks.

I tried to explain earlier that it wasn't an 'unprovoked attack.'

Being Jewish is not provocation, I strongly strongly disagree with that. Hamas would obviously prefer the entire world be radical Islam, but that just isn't realistic.

??? I never said anything about being Jewish.

This is what I said:
With the latest conflict, Israel is blaming Hamas for instigating the issue. However, if you look at what REALLY happened ( http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired...cials-say/ ) Hamas was retaliating to " A member of Hamas’s militant wing being killed in an attack as a result of an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier."

Hamas hasn't launched an attack since 2012. And it seems the only reason they did this time was because Israel killed one of their members and injured three more in an airstrike.

(07-26-2014 11:52 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:49 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:37 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:18 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:14 AM)BobL Wrote:  MD the fact that you would label Someone a bigot or antisemite for criticiZing the actions of Israel is small minded and frankly dispicable. There are plenty of Jewish folks who criticize Israel and their actions. Are they antisemites as well?

How in Gods name can there be another side of an argument to a country defending itself over thousands of terrorist missle attacks. It would be like trying to defend a child molestor, what possible argument is there. Just because our country has gone into a turtle and withdrawn, doesn't mean Israel should accept unprovoked attacks.

I tried to explain earlier that it wasn't an 'unprovoked attack.'

Being Jewish is not provocation, I strongly strongly disagree with that. Hamas would obviously prefer the entire world be radical Islam, but that just isn't realistic.

??? I never said anything about being Jewish.

This is what I said:
With the latest conflict, Israel is blaming Hamas for instigating the issue. However, if you look at what REALLY happened ( http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired...cials-say/ ) Hamas was retaliating to " A member of Hamas’s militant wing being killed in an attack."

Hamas hasn't launched an attack since 2012. And it seems the only reason they did this time was because Israel killed one of their members.

What are you talking about Hamas has been attacking Israel right up to this attack? The only reason was because Israel killed one of their members are effing kidding me? Its a terrorist group they don't value human life, I cannot believe how warped, demented, and bigoted your comments are.

(07-26-2014 11:53 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:52 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:49 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:37 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:18 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  How in Gods name can there be another side of an argument to a country defending itself over thousands of terrorist missle attacks. It would be like trying to defend a child molestor, what possible argument is there. Just because our country has gone into a turtle and withdrawn, doesn't mean Israel should accept unprovoked attacks.

I tried to explain earlier that it wasn't an 'unprovoked attack.'

Being Jewish is not provocation, I strongly strongly disagree with that. Hamas would obviously prefer the entire world be radical Islam, but that just isn't realistic.

??? I never said anything about being Jewish.

This is what I said:
With the latest conflict, Israel is blaming Hamas for instigating the issue. However, if you look at what REALLY happened ( http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired...cials-say/ ) Hamas was retaliating to " A member of Hamas’s militant wing being killed in an attack."

Hamas hasn't launched an attack since 2012. And it seems the only reason they did this time was because Israel killed one of their members.

What are you talking about Hamas has been attacking Israel right up to this attack? The only reason was because Israel killed one of their members are effing kidding me? Its a terrorist group they don't value human life, I cannot believe how warped, demented, and bigoted your comments are.

"Hamas fires rockets for first time since 2012, Israeli officials say"

(07-26-2014 11:57 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:53 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:52 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:49 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:37 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  I tried to explain earlier that it wasn't an 'unprovoked attack.'

Being Jewish is not provocation, I strongly strongly disagree with that. Hamas would obviously prefer the entire world be radical Islam, but that just isn't realistic.

??? I never said anything about being Jewish.

This is what I said:
With the latest conflict, Israel is blaming Hamas for instigating the issue. However, if you look at what REALLY happened ( http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired...cials-say/ ) Hamas was retaliating to " A member of Hamas’s militant wing being killed in an attack."

Hamas hasn't launched an attack since 2012. And it seems the only reason they did this time was because Israel killed one of their members.

What are you talking about Hamas has been attacking Israel right up to this attack? The only reason was because Israel killed one of their members are effing kidding me? Its a terrorist group they don't value human life, I cannot believe how warped, demented, and bigoted your comments are.

"Hamas fires rockets for first time since 2012, Israeli officials say"

That is simply not true, Israel has been using its defense system to fight their attacks off even up until just after Israel took the defensive. And don't forget the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teenage boys who were murdered. To defend terrorism here, comes off as bigoted , there is no defense.

(07-26-2014 12:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:57 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:53 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:52 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:49 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Being Jewish is not provocation, I strongly strongly disagree with that. Hamas would obviously prefer the entire world be radical Islam, but that just isn't realistic.

??? I never said anything about being Jewish.

This is what I said:
With the latest conflict, Israel is blaming Hamas for instigating the issue. However, if you look at what REALLY happened ( http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired...cials-say/ ) Hamas was retaliating to " A member of Hamas’s militant wing being killed in an attack."

Hamas hasn't launched an attack since 2012. And it seems the only reason they did this time was because Israel killed one of their members.

What are you talking about Hamas has been attacking Israel right up to this attack? The only reason was because Israel killed one of their members are effing kidding me? Its a terrorist group they don't value human life, I cannot believe how warped, demented, and bigoted your comments are.

"Hamas fires rockets for first time since 2012, Israeli officials say"

That is simply not true, Israel has been using its defense system to fight their attacks off even up until just after Israel took the defensive. And don't forget the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teenage boys who were murdered. To defend terrorism here, comes off as bigoted , there is no defense.

Please show me any proof those kids were kidnapped by Hamas or Palestinains. You won't find it. I have checked. And even if they were does that justify a full in attack that is killing innocent kids and children? Find the offenders and prosecute.

(07-26-2014 12:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:57 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:53 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:52 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:49 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Being Jewish is not provocation, I strongly strongly disagree with that. Hamas would obviously prefer the entire world be radical Islam, but that just isn't realistic.

??? I never said anything about being Jewish.

This is what I said:
With the latest conflict, Israel is blaming Hamas for instigating the issue. However, if you look at what REALLY happened ( http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired...cials-say/ ) Hamas was retaliating to " A member of Hamas’s militant wing being killed in an attack."

Hamas hasn't launched an attack since 2012. And it seems the only reason they did this time was because Israel killed one of their members.

What are you talking about Hamas has been attacking Israel right up to this attack? The only reason was because Israel killed one of their members are effing kidding me? Its a terrorist group they don't value human life, I cannot believe how warped, demented, and bigoted your comments are.

"Hamas fires rockets for first time since 2012, Israeli officials say"

That is simply not true, Israel has been using its defense system to fight their attacks off even up until just after Israel took the defensive. And don't forget the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teenage boys who were murdered. To defend terrorism here, comes off as bigoted , there is no defense.

It's simply not true? It's posted on an Israel website, and was said by officials.

3 Israeli Teenage boys? There wasn't a court case/hard proof to say that it was Palestinians who kidnapped them in the first place. And EVEN if they did, Palestinian =/= Hamas. Are you concluding that All Palestinians are terrorists? You cannot lump them all into one group. The problem is that Israeli's DO lump them into one group due to the extreme racism that exists in their country. The kidnapping led to a race riot. The riot led to pressure being put onto Israeli government, and the pressure led to an air attack on Hamas. The Air attack on Hamas led to a 16 missile air raid on Israel, and here we are now... Israel bombing the **** out of Gaza. Why? Because supposively Palestinians kidnapped 3 Jewish Israeli's -IN WHICH WASN'T EVEN PROOVED TO BE TRUE.

(07-26-2014 12:16 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:57 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:53 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:52 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  ??? I never said anything about being Jewish.

This is what I said:
With the latest conflict, Israel is blaming Hamas for instigating the issue. However, if you look at what REALLY happened ( http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired...cials-say/ ) Hamas was retaliating to " A member of Hamas’s militant wing being killed in an attack."

Hamas hasn't launched an attack since 2012. And it seems the only reason they did this time was because Israel killed one of their members.

What are you talking about Hamas has been attacking Israel right up to this attack? The only reason was because Israel killed one of their members are effing kidding me? Its a terrorist group they don't value human life, I cannot believe how warped, demented, and bigoted your comments are.

"Hamas fires rockets for first time since 2012, Israeli officials say"

That is simply not true, Israel has been using its defense system to fight their attacks off even up until just after Israel took the defensive. And don't forget the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teenage boys who were murdered. To defend terrorism here, comes off as bigoted , there is no defense.

It's simply not true? It's posted on an Israel website, and was said by officials.

3 Israeli Teenage boys? There wasn't a court case/hard proof to say that it was Palestinians who kidnapped them in the first place. And EVEN if they did, Palestinian =/= Hamas. Are you concluding that All Palestinians are terrorists? You cannot lump them all into one group. The problem is that Israeli's DO lump them into one group due to the extreme racism that exists in their country. The kidnapping led to a race riot. The riot led to pressure being put onto Israeli government, and the pressure led to an air attack on Hamas. The Air attack on Hamas led to a 16 missile air raid on Israel, and here we are now... Israel bombing the **** out of Gaza. Why? Because supposively Palestinians kidnapped 3 Jewish Israeli's -IN WHICH WASN'T EVEN PROOVED TO BE TRUE.

You obviously have some pre-conceived notions/prejudice/bias which is tainting your view so there is obviously no reasoning with you. I realize not every Palestinian is a terrorist, but when you elect terrorists to lead you, and then follow their orders to have women and children sit on weapons stockpiles, bad things are going to happen. I never thought we would be at a point in this country when terrorist-fighters would actually have to be morally argued for, its really astonishing and outrageous to me.

And this recent news today that a longer cease fire was imminent, is pretty much over now as more rockets shot from Gaza into Israel. Gaza simply doesn't want a cease fire, their propaganda war has been effective in a largely anti-Semitic Europe and US, they don't want this to end.

(07-26-2014 12:24 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:16 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 12:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:57 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 11:53 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  What are you talking about Hamas has been attacking Israel right up to this attack? The only reason was because Israel killed one of their members are effing kidding me? Its a terrorist group they don't value human life, I cannot believe how warped, demented, and bigoted your comments are.

"Hamas fires rockets for first time since 2012, Israeli officials say"

That is simply not true, Israel has been using its defense system to fight their attacks off even up until just after Israel took the defensive. And don't forget the kidnapping of 3 Israeli teenage boys who were murdered. To defend terrorism here, comes off as bigoted , there is no defense.

It's simply not true? It's posted on an Israel website, and was said by officials.

3 Israeli Teenage boys? There wasn't a court case/hard proof to say that it was Palestinians who kidnapped them in the first place. And EVEN if they did, Palestinian =/= Hamas. Are you concluding that All Palestinians are terrorists? You cannot lump them all into one group. The problem is that Israeli's DO lump them into one group due to the extreme racism that exists in their country. The kidnapping led to a race riot. The riot led to pressure being put onto Israeli government, and the pressure led to an air attack on Hamas. The Air attack on Hamas led to a 16 missile air raid on Israel, and here we are now... Israel bombing the **** out of Gaza. Why? Because supposively Palestinians kidnapped 3 Jewish Israeli's -IN WHICH WASN'T EVEN PROOVED TO BE TRUE.

You obviously have some pre-conceived notions/prejudice/bias which is tainting your view so there is obviously no reasoning with you. I realize not every Palestinian is a terrorist, but when you elect terrorists to lead you, and then follow their orders to have women and children sit on weapons stockpiles, bad things are going to happen. I never thought we would be at a point in this country when terrorist-fighters would actually have to be morally argued for, its really astonishing and outrageous to me.

And this recent news today that a longer cease fire was imminent, is pretty much over now as more rockets shot from Gaza into Israel. Gaza simply doesn't want a cease fire, their propaganda war has been effective in a largely anti-Semitic Europe and US, they don't want this to end.

I obviously have a bias? The only bias i have is against innocent people/ Civilians dying. MD, I am simply listing the things that counter what you're saying. I'm playing devils advocate - I told you when we first started discussing this that I didn't want to get into all of this because it's 'highly debated.' These aren't opinions, these are facts, and are things that's DID happen. What is an opinion though - I believe in a judicial system that puts people on trial - not a system that shoots missiles at the 'suspect'. Shooting missiles because you THINK someone did something is not justified, even if you're Israel.

And if you want proof of non-biased facts, then here you go:
http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-rockets-foun...30922.html

The rockets were being stored in a facility within close proximity of roughly 3,000 displaced Palestinians. Were the civilians knowingly allowing the rockets to be stowed? I have absolutely no idea. Let's say they didn't know it was there, and Israel bombed the school... 3000 more innocent people dead.

(07-26-2014 01:29 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  And if you want proof of non-biased facts, then here you go:
http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-rockets-foun...30922.html

The rockets were being stored in a facility within close proximity of roughly 3,000 displaced Palestinians. Were the civilians knowingly allowing the rockets to be stowed? I have absolutely no idea. Let's say they didn't know it was there, and Israel bombed the school... 3000 more innocent people dead.

Enaiu let me clue you in about the mainstream media, they take the liberal whackjob bias toward the terrorists too in this conflict.

(07-27-2014 08:55 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 01:29 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  And if you want proof of non-biased facts, then here you go:
http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-rockets-foun...30922.html

The rockets were being stored in a facility within close proximity of roughly 3,000 displaced Palestinians. Were the civilians knowingly allowing the rockets to be stowed? I have absolutely no idea. Let's say they didn't know it was there, and Israel bombed the school... 3000 more innocent people dead.

Enaiu let me clue you in about the mainstream media, they take the liberal whackjob bias toward the terrorists too in this conflict.

Did you read what I linked?

(07-27-2014 09:15 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:55 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 01:29 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  And if you want proof of non-biased facts, then here you go:
http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-rockets-foun...30922.html

The rockets were being stored in a facility within close proximity of roughly 3,000 displaced Palestinians. Were the civilians knowingly allowing the rockets to be stowed? I have absolutely no idea. Let's say they didn't know it was there, and Israel bombed the school... 3000 more innocent people dead.

Enaiu let me clue you in about the mainstream media, they take the liberal whackjob bias toward the terrorists too in this conflict.

Did you read what I linked?

I don't even have to read anything from yahoo, I already know which side they have taken. Im guessing they side with the terrorists

(07-27-2014 10:02 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 09:15 AM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:55 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 01:29 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  And if you want proof of non-biased facts, then here you go:
http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-rockets-foun...30922.html

The rockets were being stored in a facility within close proximity of roughly 3,000 displaced Palestinians. Were the civilians knowingly allowing the rockets to be stowed? I have absolutely no idea. Let's say they didn't know it was there, and Israel bombed the school... 3000 more innocent people dead.

Enaiu let me clue you in about the mainstream media, they take the liberal whackjob bias toward the terrorists too in this conflict.

Did you read what I linked?

I don't even have to read anything from yahoo, I already know which side they have taken. Im guessing they side with the terrorists

Nope.