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CFP Bowls still unsigned.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-contracts

Look in provisions seem to be an issue. Having these not signed when the season about to start seems to possibly be some hard ball playing by the Bowls.
07-22-2014 02:33 PM
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RE: CFP Bowls still unsigned.
Has nothing to do with the delay in signing but I believe they could do a better job of defining the back-up options for the conference champions in these bowls.

For example, the years the Rose is a semifinal, the fiesta could be designated the host for the BigTen and Pac12 champions (or their backups IF the conference champs are in the playoffs). That way the Fiesta could have a decent 3-year rotation of teams.

Same setup with Sugar and Cotton. The cotton can host the Sec and B12 champs the years that Sugar is a semifinal.

Same deal with Orange and Peach.
07-22-2014 04:15 PM
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RE: CFP Bowls still unsigned.
(07-22-2014 04:15 PM)goofus Wrote:  Has nothing to do with the delay in signing but I believe they could do a better job of defining the back-up options for the conference champions in these bowls.

For example, the years the Rose is a semifinal, the fiesta could be designated the host for the BigTen and Pac12 champions (or their backups IF the conference champs are in the playoffs). That way the Fiesta could have a decent 3-year rotation of teams.

Same setup with Sugar and Cotton. The cotton can host the Sec and B12 champs the years that Sugar is a semifinal.

Same deal with Orange and Peach.

That probably happens anyway, but I think the CFP Selection Committee wanted flexibility.
07-23-2014 07:52 AM
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RE: CFP Bowls still unsigned.
(07-22-2014 04:15 PM)goofus Wrote:  Has nothing to do with the delay in signing but I believe they could do a better job of defining the back-up options for the conference champions in these bowls.

For example, the years the Rose is a semifinal, the fiesta could be designated the host for the BigTen and Pac12 champions (or their backups IF the conference champs are in the playoffs). That way the Fiesta could have a decent 3-year rotation of teams.

Same setup with Sugar and Cotton. The cotton can host the Sec and B12 champs the years that Sugar is a semifinal.

Same deal with Orange and Peach.

backups aren't guaranteed for the millionth time. only conference champions are guaranteed...
07-23-2014 08:07 AM
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RE: CFP Bowls still unsigned.
(07-22-2014 04:15 PM)goofus Wrote:  Has nothing to do with the delay in signing but I believe they could do a better job of defining the back-up options for the conference champions in these bowls.

For example, the years the Rose is a semifinal, the fiesta could be designated the host for the BigTen and Pac12 champions (or their backups IF the conference champs are in the playoffs). That way the Fiesta could have a decent 3-year rotation of teams.

Same setup with Sugar and Cotton. The cotton can host the Sec and B12 champs the years that Sugar is a semifinal.

Same deal with Orange and Peach.

That makes some sense, but then again it would also mean that the Peach is always stuck with the automatic qualifier from the G5 conferences, which would definitely rub them unfavorably.

As it stands, the Peach, Cotton, and Fiesta are collectively stuck with the G5 team, so I bet they want to make sure that school rotates evenly among them.
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(07-23-2014 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-22-2014 04:15 PM)goofus Wrote:  Has nothing to do with the delay in signing but I believe they could do a better job of defining the back-up options for the conference champions in these bowls.

For example, the years the Rose is a semifinal, the fiesta could be designated the host for the BigTen and Pac12 champions (or their backups IF the conference champs are in the playoffs). That way the Fiesta could have a decent 3-year rotation of teams.

Same setup with Sugar and Cotton. The cotton can host the Sec and B12 champs the years that Sugar is a semifinal.

Same deal with Orange and Peach.

That makes some sense, but then again it would also mean that the Peach is always stuck with the automatic qualifier from the G5 conferences, which would definitely rub them unfavorably.

As it stands, the Peach, Cotton, and Fiesta are collectively stuck with the G5 team, so I bet they want to make sure that school rotates evenly among them.

Cotton knows it's getting the G5 team the 3rd year(Fiesta/Peach hosting the sf). I'd guess the other 2 years would be Peach and Fiesta each getting a G5 team 1x. Maybe Peach this year, Fiesta year 2, and Cotton year 3.
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RE: CFP Bowls still unsigned.
some info is out there..

Additional selection criteria
The highest-ranked champion from the so-called "Group of Five" mid-major conferences (American Athletic Conference, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt) is guaranteed a berth if the group's top team is not in the playoff.[51]

The remaining five at-large bids will be determined by committee rankings.[51]

If the Big Ten or SEC champion is available for a non-playoff bowl in a year when the Rose and Sugar Bowls are hosting semifinals, that team will appear in either the Cotton Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, or Peach Bowl, but not the Orange Bowl.[51]

In the Orange Bowl, the SEC and Big Ten are guaranteed at least three appearances during the eight non-playoff years, while Notre Dame can only appear a maximum of twice.[52]

In non-playoff years, if the Orange Bowl matchup creates a regular-season rematch for the ACC representative, the bowl may choose to "skip over" the prescribed opponent from the SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame group and select the next highest-ranked team from the group. The team that was rejected would be placed in one of the three at-large bowls, if it meets ranking standards.[53]

In years when the Orange Bowl is a national semifinal, the ACC champion will play in the Fiesta or Peach bowls if it is not selected for the playoff.[54]

In choosing the pairings for the four non-playoff bowls, the committee will try to create "the most compelling matchups possible", while taking into account geography and team rematches from both the regular season and recent bowls.[55]
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RE: CFP Bowls still unsigned.
(07-22-2014 04:15 PM)goofus Wrote:  Has nothing to do with the delay in signing but I believe they could do a better job of defining the back-up options for the conference champions in these bowls.

For example, the years the Rose is a semifinal, the fiesta could be designated the host for the BigTen and Pac12 champions (or their backups IF the conference champs are in the playoffs). That way the Fiesta could have a decent 3-year rotation of teams.

Same setup with Sugar and Cotton. The cotton can host the Sec and B12 champs the years that Sugar is a semifinal.

Same deal with Orange and Peach.

The different conferences (probably) have different levels of interest in controlling which Fiesta/Cotton/Peach bowl they go to if their champion gets "bumped" by a semifinal.

First of all, I don't think the Big Ten gives a hoot whether their team goes to the Peach, Cotton or Fiesta. I say that because the Big Ten has pretty regularly signed bowls in Arizona, Texas and Florida. Yes, Georgia != Florida, but B1G to Atl isn't the travel hassle that ACC to Arizona or PAC to Atlanta would be.

PAC to Fiesta is a pretty obvious move.
XII could go either Fiesta or Cotton.
SEC could go Peach or Cotton.
ACC to Peach is as obvious as PAC to Fiesta.
And the G5 team has to go somewhere.

Strange note: The Fiesta hasn't seen an SEC team since January 2000.

Point to ponder: How much of this will be in the contracts, how much will just be how it works out? I think it's only in the contract if either 1) both sides (bowl and conference) want it pretty badly or if 2) one side wants it badly, and the other side doesn't mind.

I think the bowls will want to lock in protections against getting stuck with the G5 team too often. You probably don't want to set a rotation in stone that sends Fresno to Atlanta one year followed by ECU to Arizona, but the Access Bowls won't want too much G5 cooties.

PREDICTION: No scheduled rotation for the G5 team in the Access Bowl, but no Access Bowl will have to take the G5 team two years in a row. I don't know if the second part is in the contracts, or if it's a handshake arrangement, basically that no one has to take a "dog" G5 twice in a row, or maybe more broadly that no one has to take a "non-travelling" team, P5 or G5, twice in a row if possible.

I don't know if the Peach Bowl wants to lock in the ACC champ. The Cotton is locked into the G5 champ every three years (Fiesta, Peach semis), so the other two years the Peach has a 50% chance of having the G5 team. So if the Peach locks in the ACC, they've got a good chance of getting a Syracuse vs Northern Illinois or something. They might want to take their chances with the committee.

Would the Big XII be motivated to sign a backup agreement? Probably not. They signed one of their top teams to Orlando, so why not Atlanta once in a while?

So predictions:

PAC champ to Fiesta. Does that require a deal? Especially if it's the only deal that would get signed at this point.
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My preferred solution would be to have the Rose, Sugar and Orange be semis in different years in the rotation. When the Rose is a semi, the Big 10 #1 goes to the Orange and when the Sugar is semi, the SEC #1 goes to the Orange. That builds on the agreement that those conferences already have with the Orange Bowl, and it ensures the ACC gets a top opponent in their home bowl game instead of a #2 team as is currently mandated. The Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC could do deals with the Fiesta, Cotton and Peach Bowl respectively in their off years. Each of the P5 have a guaranteed home every year and everyone gets a top opponent for at least the two years they are in their home bowl game. The G5 slot would rotate between the three access bowls as well. The rotation could look something like this:

Year 1:
Rose and Cotton semis
Sugar: SEC #1 vs Big 12 #1
Orange: ACC #1 vs Big 10 #1 or ND
Fiesta: Pac 12 #1 vs at-large or Big 10 #1 if ND in Orange
Peach: G5 vs at-large

Year 2:
Sugar and Peach semis
Rose: Big 10 #1 vs Pac 12 #1
Orange: ACC #1 vs SEC #1 or ND
Cotton: Big 12 #1 vs at-large or SEC #1 if ND in Orange
Fiesta: G5 vs at-large

Year 3:
Orange and Fiesta semis
Rose: Big 10 #1 vs Pac 12 #1
Sugar: SEC #1 vs Big 12 #1
Peach: ACC #1 vs ND or at-large
Cotton: G5 vs at-large
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(07-23-2014 01:29 PM)prp Wrote:  My preferred solution would be to have the Rose, Sugar and Orange be semis in different years in the rotation. When the Rose is a semi, the Big 10 #1 goes to the Orange and when the Sugar is semi, the SEC #1 goes to the Orange. That builds on the agreement that those conferences already have with the Orange Bowl, and it ensures the ACC gets a top opponent in their home bowl game instead of a #2 team as is currently mandated. The Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC could do deals with the Fiesta, Cotton and Peach Bowl respectively in their off years. Each of the P5 have a guaranteed home every year and everyone gets a top opponent for at least the two years they are in their home bowl game. The G5 slot would rotate between the three access bowls as well. The rotation could look something like this:

Year 1:
Rose and Cotton semis
Sugar: SEC #1 vs Big 12 #1
Orange: ACC #1 vs Big 10 #1 or ND
Fiesta: Pac 12 #1 vs at-large or Big 10 #1 if ND in Orange
Peach: G5 vs at-large

Year 2:
Sugar and Peach semis
Rose: Big 10 #1 vs Pac 12 #1
Orange: ACC #1 vs SEC #1 or ND
Cotton: Big 12 #1 vs at-large or SEC #1 if ND in Orange
Fiesta: G5 vs at-large

Year 3:
Orange and Fiesta semis
Rose: Big 10 #1 vs Pac 12 #1
Sugar: SEC #1 vs Big 12 #1
Peach: ACC #1 vs ND or at-large
Cotton: G5 vs at-large

The thing is, everyone wanted flexibility. Also, they didn't want to guarantee a home for runner ups when bowl is hosting the sf. Part of the thing that did that was the crap the Sugar did a few years ago selecting Va Tech and Michigan(both ranked 11 and 13)- instead of Boise ranked at #7. They made it much more of a merit based process there.
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