(07-23-2014 11:10 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 09:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the B1G and Big 12 are the best shots for us, even though I know everyone scoffs at the B1G idea. I think it would be a tremendous coup for the B1G to score a Florida market.

University of Florida, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, UNC, and Virginia could make an interesting Southeastern Division for the Big Ten. All AAU schools. I'm not sure the Big Ten could pry Florida from the SEC, but the ACC schools would be relatively easy to grab, especially if the B1G contract is 2X the ACC contract. I would also think the Big Ten would target Florida St. and Miami before USF or UCF.

Florida isn't going to leave the best conference in the country to play Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, etc in football. Not going to happen.

Football cultural is much different in the south and we don't want to be associated with a bunch of yankees...

(07-23-2014 09:27 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 07:51 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 02:18 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  I really think the "Power 5" is going to become the "Power 4" very soon.

Since we are speculating, I think we are headed toward FIVE 16-school "power" conferences, but it's going to take a while. This was predicted 10 years ago by Jackie Sherrill (ex-coach at Pitt, Texas A&M and Miss State) In some fashion, most, if not all, AAC schools will be in the mix.

I don’t disagree at all with the 5 sixteen school power conference concept, the part I just can’t get past has more to do with the restructuring of the conferences that would need to take place in the sense that which university presidents and AD’s are going to be the ones willing to relinquish their power or ease their stance on where their program should be located for the good of the new alignment? Can the 5 conferences really work together for the perceived good of college athletics and if they did wouldn’t that be viewed as collusion buy any program that is on the fringe of the P5 now that wouldn’t be included in the new 5 conference structure?

I strongly suspect that what we will see is a redefinition of what "Division 1" means. So I expect that "Division 1" football will contain 5, 16 team conferences, including:
-A redefined and expanded SEC
-A redefined and expanded ACC
-A redefined and expanded B10
-A redefined and expanded PAC16
---AND---
-A NEW 16 conference consisting of any left-over B12 teams, and the BEST of the current AAC, MW, and maybe...maybe...a CUSA team.

Such a "new" conference will be exactly that...NEW. It will not be "the American" nor will it be "the MW," nor "the B12," because it will not be made up of all the members. I won't guess on who gets included and excluded, but I don't see either the AAC nor the MW existing with all their members included.

In BB, the redefined "Division 1" will also include:
-The Ivy League
-The Big East
-The Atlantic 10
-The WCC

I could also see maybe one additional "NEW" non-FB D1 conference being formed to take in a few remaining players...or maybe the "Valley" gets reformed. This would keep the "Cinderella" aspect of the NCAA tournament alive and would allow some of the traditional non-FB heavyweights like Georgetown, Villanova, and Gonzaga to stay in it. I also think you see a waiver for these schools to allow their FB programs to compete at a level LOWER than "Division 1."

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The question then for the NCAA becomes, "Do we reformat the other divisions?" (ie. Current "D1-FCS" would become D-2, current D-2 becomes either merged or sorts out with some staying in the new "D-2" and others becoming a new "Division 3" (with current D-2 rules), and D-3 (non-scholarship schools) becoming "Division 4") or do they allow a continuing bifurcation of "Division 1" in name alone to continue, but with a rigid division in competition?

I dunno... But this is what I see coming down the pike.

(07-23-2014 12:21 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:10 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 09:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the B1G and Big 12 are the best shots for us, even though I know everyone scoffs at the B1G idea. I think it would be a tremendous coup for the B1G to score a Florida market.

University of Florida, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, UNC, and Virginia could make an interesting Southeastern Division for the Big Ten. All AAU schools. I'm not sure the Big Ten could pry Florida from the SEC, but the ACC schools would be relatively easy to grab, especially if the B1G contract is 2X the ACC contract. I would also think the Big Ten would target Florida St. and Miami before USF or UCF.

Florida isn't going to leave the best conference in the country to play Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, etc in football. Not going to happen.

Football cultural is much different in the south and we don't want to be associated with a bunch of yankees...

Florida won't. But if the Big10 invited UCF or USF we would both come running to be with those Yankees in a heart beat.

The Big 12 has to invite at least 2 teams and possibly 4 teams to keep up. I know they're going to invite USF any day now. Why, because my bags are packed.

(07-23-2014 12:30 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 12:21 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:10 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 09:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, the B1G and Big 12 are the best shots for us, even though I know everyone scoffs at the B1G idea. I think it would be a tremendous coup for the B1G to score a Florida market.

University of Florida, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, UNC, and Virginia could make an interesting Southeastern Division for the Big Ten. All AAU schools. I'm not sure the Big Ten could pry Florida from the SEC, but the ACC schools would be relatively easy to grab, especially if the B1G contract is 2X the ACC contract. I would also think the Big Ten would target Florida St. and Miami before USF or UCF.

Florida isn't going to leave the best conference in the country to play Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, etc in football. Not going to happen.

Football cultural is much different in the south and we don't want to be associated with a bunch of yankees...

Florida won't. But if the Big10 invited UCF or USF we would both come running to be with those Yankees in a heart beat.

Absolutely! Can you imagine schools like Penn State, Michigan, and Nebraska visiting RJS or a new OCS? It would be awesome!

(07-23-2014 04:42 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  The Big 12 has to invite at least 2 teams and possibly 4 teams to keep up.

The Big 12 is getting slaughtered right now in the court of public opinion. And they will have the fewest votes in the newly-structured "autonomy." Just saying....

(07-23-2014 08:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 04:42 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  The Big 12 has to invite at least 2 teams and possibly 4 teams to keep up.

The Big 12 is getting slaughtered right now in the court of public opinion. And they will have the fewest votes in the newly-structured "autonomy." Just saying....

You make an interesting point about the B1G. I suspect that the B1G is, thanks to the BTN and whatever deal it signs in 2016, going to make a LOT more money than any other P5, even the SEC. And money is the one thing that can trump just about anything else. It's what pried an ACC founder, Maryland, away.

If the cards fall right, the B1G might make enough money to be able to raid anyone, even some SEC teams, like say Kentucky and Vanderbilt, while ACC and Big 12 teams would be easy pickings.

If someone were to tell me that by 2030, there would be one conference that was clearly the dominant conference, not on the field but where it counts, in terms of money and power, I would bet on the B1G, not SEC.

(07-23-2014 09:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the cards fall right, the B1G might make enough money to be able to raid anyone, even some SEC teams, like say Kentucky and Vanderbilt, while ACC and Big 12 teams would be easy pickings.

If someone were to tell me that by 2030, there would be one conference that was clearly the dominant conference, not on the field but where it counts, in terms of money and power, I would bet on the B1G, not SEC.

I don't know that the Big Ten is planning any imminent expansion announcements, but I do know that Virginia, UNC or Duke, Georgia Tech, and Vanderbilt would all bring attractive markets and academics to the Big Ten footprint and the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC).

The Football competitiveness of these universities would improve with all that extra Big Ten cash.

(07-24-2014 05:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 09:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the cards fall right, the B1G might make enough money to be able to raid anyone, even some SEC teams, like say Kentucky and Vanderbilt, while ACC and Big 12 teams would be easy pickings.

If someone were to tell me that by 2030, there would be one conference that was clearly the dominant conference, not on the field but where it counts, in terms of money and power, I would bet on the B1G, not SEC.

I don't know that the Big Ten is planning any imminent expansion announcements, but I do know that Virginia, UNC or Duke, Georgia Tech, and Vanderbilt would all bring attractive markets and academics to the Big Ten footprint and the Committee on Institutional Cooperation (CIC).

The Football competitiveness of these universities would improve with all that extra Big Ten cash.

I don't see Duke,UNC or Virginia leaving the ACC where they are original members and carry a lot of clout to join the BigTen and be the crowd.
Vanderbilt might think about because academically it makes sense but they would lose the southern relationships ,that would be a big hit on their program. Don't see that happening either

Georgia Tech possibly but another southern school would have to join them for that to be attractive.

UNC and Duke are never, ever, splitting up. Ever.

(07-23-2014 08:41 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 04:42 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  The Big 12 has to invite at least 2 teams and possibly 4 teams to keep up.

The Big 12 is getting slaughtered right now in the court of public opinion. And they will have the fewest votes in the newly-structured "autonomy." Just saying....

This is true... I was watching college football live yesterday and they were getting eaten alive for having weak OOC schedules. Granted... they were playing teams like buffalo and such.... I also think the big 12 has been hurt by recent parity in the league.