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SEC
BIG
ACC
PAC 12
Big !2
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(07-23-2014 09:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  SEC
BIG
ACC
PAC 12
Big !2

ACC coverages a lot of TV Sets...04-cheers
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(07-23-2014 09:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  SEC
BIG
ACC
PAC 12
Big !2

Yet another article takes uneven data and draws a wrong conclusion. Apparently the top half of appearances per school in the ACC and PAC drawing a slightly better average than our top 75% where some of our weakest games drag the average down is some fair comparison?

Having games like Raycom's ULM@Wake not drag the ACC average down (not nationally rated due to syndication) and have games like ULM@Baylor on FS1 drag ours down does not say anything about league viewership strength. It's not a fair comparison as it is apples and oranges.

The Big 12 has over 9 appearances per school, most of the other leagues are around 6-7 and the almost all the G5 have less. When you take the Big 12's top 60 appearances (6 per team) it outdoes the top 6 for everyone except the B1G and SEC.

I will post more complete data later (away from my computer right now) but this data is pretty misleading based on very different amounts of games reaching nationally rated networks.
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RE: TV Ratings for 2013
(07-23-2014 10:10 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 09:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  SEC
BIG
ACC
PAC 12
Big !2

ACC coverages a lot of TV Sets...04-cheers

Been debunked as lousy math before on here, yet it keeps showing up.
What it does show that is true is that its the SEC well in front of the rest. One of many problems with the analysis is simply this:
Number of games in analysis:
ACC 6.4
B1G 6.2
Big 12 9.4
Pac 12 7.1
SEC 8.2

So the ACC and B1G are getting mostly their top 6 while the Pac is their top 7, the SEC top 8 and the Big 12 mostly top 9. The ACC and B1G don't have any of their bottom half rated games in the analysis. Big 12 has virtually everything that's not Tier III.

And he doesn't include the ABC/ESPN split regional games which are the best rated games for the ACC/B1G and Big 12.

So the SEC, while they would be well ahead in apples to apples, is made to look even further ahead than they would otherwise be. The Pac 12 is better relative to the other 3 except for the fact their ratings are dragged down by FS2 and FS1 games which do worse than ESPN. So its really hard to tell anything from this analysis except that there isn't a huge gap between #2 and #5 and #1 is ahead, but by an unknown amount.

I suspect if you really parsed it, it would show the same as the prior year, which was SEC in front, #2 to 5 pretty close, ranked Big 10, Big 12, ACC, Pac 12. Someone on the WV board made some assumptions about the lower games and came up with that conclusion, but it wasn't a detailed analysis.

As for the G5, there's so much wrong with this analysis that its hard to tell much about them either.
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1 thing that does not make sense is that for Big 12 in this- they only can have a maximum of 75 games. So it would appear as if they are counting conference games double- and not just one time.
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Uneven data, Sun Belt needs more TV coverage and I don't mean ESPN3. In 2013 7 teams out of 8 in the conference go bowl eligible and we win out our 2 bowl invites. I understand it is what it is, but it's a competitive league that I think deserves more attention. Only way to go is up, just need more opportunity.
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(07-24-2014 07:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing that does not make sense is that for Big 12 in this- they only can have a maximum of 75 games. So it would appear as if they are counting conference games double- and not just one time.

This list and the original error from the A&M blog both count number of times a league had a team appear in a rated game. So noncon games would be one appearance and conference games would be two appearances by a league according to the list.
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(07-24-2014 08:23 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(07-24-2014 07:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing that does not make sense is that for Big 12 in this- they only can have a maximum of 75 games. So it would appear as if they are counting conference games double- and not just one time.

This list and the original error from the A&M blog both count number of times a league had a team appear in a rated game. So noncon games would be one appearance and conference games would be two appearances by a league according to the list.
Can anyone find the link for each individual conference and team?
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(07-24-2014 09:23 AM)templefan1 Wrote:  
(07-24-2014 08:23 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(07-24-2014 07:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing that does not make sense is that for Big 12 in this- they only can have a maximum of 75 games. So it would appear as if they are counting conference games double- and not just one time.

This list and the original error from the A&M blog both count number of times a league had a team appear in a rated game. So noncon games would be one appearance and conference games would be two appearances by a league according to the list.
Can anyone find the link for each individual conference and team?

I've got data for things I will try and post later.
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(07-24-2014 10:29 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  here's some...

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

Still skewed data though. Averaging some teams over 11 games and others with 1, 2, or 3 and all across different networks isn't comparable data.
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(07-23-2014 10:24 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 09:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  SEC
BIG
ACC
PAC 12
Big !2

Yet another article takes uneven data and draws a wrong conclusion. Apparently the top half of appearances per school in the ACC and PAC drawing a slightly better average than our top 75% where some of our weakest games drag the average down is some fair comparison?

Having games like Raycom's ULM@Wake not drag the ACC average down (not nationally rated due to syndication) and have games like ULM@Baylor on FS1 drag ours down does not say anything about league viewership strength. It's not a fair comparison as it is apples and oranges.

The Big 12 has over 9 appearances per school, most of the other leagues are around 6-7 and the almost all the G5 have less. When you take the Big 12's top 60 appearances (6 per team) it outdoes the top 6 for everyone except the B1G and SEC.

I will post more complete data later (away from my computer right now) but this data is pretty misleading based on very different amounts of games reaching nationally rated networks.

You can only go with games that are televised. He does a pretty good job with the analysis given you are never going to compare apples to apples.

I never understood people wanting to throw out games. Why do you get to throw out ULM/Baylor while the other leagues do not get to throw out televised games (Fl Atl/Miami, Buffalo/Ohio St, UAB/LSU, Kent St/LSU, Troy/Mississippi, Idaho/Florida St)? All those games were on the networks included in the op stats. There are more than this that are questionable using your logic.

I believe he does not include regional games because they only show one rating per time slot. If ABC had regional games Texas/Iowa St (Central and West Time Zones) and Fl St/UNC (Eastern Time Zone), only one rating would show. How you split that is the problem. Obviously Texas/Iowa St would not have captured the east coast like Fl St/UNC; Fl St/UNC would not have captured the Central Time Zone like Texas/Iowa St.
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(07-23-2014 10:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 10:10 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 09:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  SEC
BIG
ACC
PAC 12
Big !2

ACC coverages a lot of TV Sets...04-cheers

Been debunked as lousy math before on here, yet it keeps showing up.
What it does show that is true is that its the SEC well in front of the rest. One of many problems with the analysis is simply this:
Number of games in analysis:
ACC 6.4
B1G 6.2
Big 12 9.4
Pac 12 7.1
SEC 8.2

So the ACC and B1G are getting mostly their top 6 while the Pac is their top 7, the SEC top 8 and the Big 12 mostly top 9. The ACC and B1G don't have any of their bottom half rated games in the analysis. Big 12 has virtually everything that's not Tier III.

And he doesn't include the ABC/ESPN split regional games which are the best rated games for the ACC/B1G and Big 12.

So the SEC, while they would be well ahead in apples to apples, is made to look even further ahead than they would otherwise be. The Pac 12 is better relative to the other 3 except for the fact their ratings are dragged down by FS2 and FS1 games which do worse than ESPN. So its really hard to tell anything from this analysis except that there isn't a huge gap between #2 and #5 and #1 is ahead, but by an unknown amount.

I suspect if you really parsed it, it would show the same as the prior year, which was SEC in front, #2 to 5 pretty close, ranked Big 10, Big 12, ACC, Pac 12. Someone on the WV board made some assumptions about the lower games and came up with that conclusion, but it wasn't a detailed analysis.

As for the G5, there's so much wrong with this analysis that its hard to tell much about them either.

It just seems that for the last several seasons the ratings numbers keep showing the conferences in the same order as far as top football ratings. And you Big 12 guys keep supposedly "debunking" the methodology. These ratings are just as legit for fb as they are when they do the basketball ratings. Yet, for some reason, no one ever attempts to "debunk" the bb ratings.
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OK, I used the data from ESPN's Sports Media Watch, which is a total of 392 games; this is what I came up with:

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Conference    Total Viewers    Gms    Average
S E C     343,845,000    84    4,093,392.9
Big Ten    200,312,000    50    4,006,240.0
Note Dame     47,810,000     12    3,984,166.7
A C C     187,280,000    65    2,881,230.8
PAC 12    131,838,000    57    2,312,947.4
Big XII    135,953,000    60    2,265,883.3
All G5s    166,140,000    153    1,085,882.4

This does NOT count games twice for the conference listed, though it does count each game played by that conference. Here's what I mean: if an ACC team played another ACC team, that counted once under "ACC", but if it played an SEC team, the game counted once under each conference.

As you can see, the ACC really is the 3rd most-watched conference, but it's essentially SEC, Big Ten, then the other 3 P5s, then the G5s.
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(07-24-2014 11:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  OK, I used the data from ESPN's Sports Media Watch, which is a total of 392 games; this is what I came up with:

Code:
Conference    Total Viewers    Gms    Average
S E C     343,845,000    84    4,093,392.9
Big Ten    200,312,000    50    4,006,240.0
Note Dame     47,810,000     12    3,984,166.7
A C C     187,280,000    65    2,881,230.8
PAC 12    131,838,000    57    2,312,947.4
Big XII    135,953,000    60    2,265,883.3
All G5s    166,140,000    153    1,085,882.4

This does NOT count games twice for the conference listed, though it does count each game played by that conference. Here's what I mean: if an ACC team played another ACC team, that counted once under "ACC", but if it played an SEC team, the game counted once under each conference.

As you can see, the ACC really is the 3rd most-watched conference, but it's essentially SEC, Big Ten, then the other 3 P5s, then the G5s.

numbers look very realisitc. Can see the ACC being ahead of Pac 12 and Big 12- FS1 being a fairly sizable part of that quite frankly. Also, ACC had some good prime time games last year that they haven't had for a while. ACC got unlucky in the CCG opponent for FSU wasn't all that strong- if they had a MSU type team- it would have been even stronger.
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Effect of TV Network:

Code:
    home team conference                        
Netwk    ACC    B1G    G5    ND    PAC    SEC    XII
ABC      2.8    3.3    2.5    2.5    2.5    4.2    3.7
CBS      ---    ---    2.0    ---    ---    4.5    ---
ESPN     2.4    2.6    1.4    4.3    2.0    2.6    2.7
ESPN2      0.7    0.9    0.5    ---    0.8    1.3    0.6
ESPNews    0.2    ---    0.1    ---    0.1    0.2    ---
ESPNU    0.3    0.3    0.2    ---    0.4    0.4    0.2
FOX       ---    6.4        2.0    1.3    3.9    1.7
Fox News    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    1.0
FS1      0.3    0.3    0.1    ---    0.5    0.3    0.4
FS2      ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    0.1
NBC      ---    3.2    1.6    2.2    2.3    ---    2.6
Avg      1.1    2.4    1.1    2.7    1.2    2.2    1.4

ABC-only numbers show Big XII jumping all the way to 2nd place - impressive, HOWEVER... it's only 4 games:
Oklahoma vs. Oklahoma St
Baylor vs. Oklahoma St
Oklahoma vs. Texas
Mississippi St vs. Oklahoma St

No games involving the bottom 60% of the conference at all. That also skews the results - in favor of the Big XII.

ESPN may be the best indicator, since just about everybody plays on ESPN. Based on that, there simply isn't a whole lot of difference between one conference and another within the P5.
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(07-24-2014 12:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Effect of TV Network:

Code:
    home team conference                        
Netwk    ACC    B1G    G5    ND    PAC    SEC    XII
ABC      2.8    3.3    2.5    2.5    2.5    4.2    3.7
CBS      ---    ---    2.0    ---    ---    4.5    ---
ESPN     2.4    2.6    1.4    4.3    2.0    2.6    2.7
ESPN2      0.7    0.9    0.5    ---    0.8    1.3    0.6
ESPNews    0.2    ---    0.1    ---    0.1    0.2    ---
ESPNU    0.3    0.3    0.2    ---    0.4    0.4    0.2
FOX       ---    6.4        2.0    1.3    3.9    1.7
Fox News    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    1.0
FS1      0.3    0.3    0.1    ---    0.5    0.3    0.4
FS2      ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    ---    0.1
NBC      ---    3.2    1.6    2.2    2.3    ---    2.6
Avg      1.1    2.4    1.1    2.7    1.2    2.2    1.4

ABC-only numbers show Big XII jumping all the way to 2nd place - impressive, HOWEVER... it's only 4 games:
Oklahoma vs. Oklahoma St
Baylor vs. Oklahoma St
Oklahoma vs. Texas
Mississippi St vs. Oklahoma St

No games involving the bottom 60% of the conference at all. That also skews the results - in favor of the Big XII.

ESPN may be the best indicator, since just about everybody plays on ESPN. Based on that, there simply isn't a whole lot of difference between one conference and another within the P5.

i would say that SEC is still stronger because just looking at ESPN numbers, you are taking out of the mix the top 15 or so games for the conference- something the other conferences don't have.

ABC SEC 4.2, B12 3.7, B10 3.3, ACC 2.8 P12 2.5
ESPN B12 2.7 B10 2.6 SEC 2.6 , ACC 2.4, P12 2.0
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(07-24-2014 12:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  i would say that SEC is still stronger because just looking at ESPN numbers, you are taking out of the mix the top 15 or so games for the conference- something the other conferences don't have.

ABC SEC 4.2, B12 3.7, B10 3.3, ACC 2.8 P12 2.5
ESPN B12 2.7 B10 2.6 SEC 2.6 , ACC 2.4, P12 2.0

Good point. Then how do you compare CBS, which is broadcast for free, vs. ESPN, which requires a monthly subscription? ABC would be ideal, but the sample size is just so small...
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(07-24-2014 01:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-24-2014 12:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  i would say that SEC is still stronger because just looking at ESPN numbers, you are taking out of the mix the top 15 or so games for the conference- something the other conferences don't have.

ABC SEC 4.2, B12 3.7, B10 3.3, ACC 2.8 P12 2.5
ESPN B12 2.7 B10 2.6 SEC 2.6 , ACC 2.4, P12 2.0

Good point. Then how do you compare CBS, which is broadcast for free, vs. ESPN, which requires a monthly subscription? ABC would be ideal, but the sample size is just so small...

You have to divide it up based on network, tv window, etc.

I've done it on a spreadsheet but it isn't very clean. I'll post some of the simpler & cleaner data I have soon. It won't go into tv windows but should be an upgrade over the data that the blog ran with.
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