From the article:

Simple math tells you that at least one Power 5 conference is going to be left out of the playoff each year. Four spots for five conferences (Pac-12, Big 12, ACC, SEC, Big Ten) does not compute.

"Anybody who thought this was going to resolve the controversies at the end of the year, I think, is probably barking up the wrong tree," said Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby.

So depending on which side of the rhetoric you dwell, college football demands of you an opinion about the only big-boy league without that conference championship game.

That's either a curse or -- as the Big 12 would have you believe -- a sledgehammer.

"You win the Big 12 you're going to the playoffs," said Baylor quarterback Bryce Petty.

Hold on there, sparky. Your league hasn't played for a championship since 2009, hasn't won one since 2005 (both Texas). Based on the BCS standings, a Big 12 team has finished in the top four once since 2010 (Oklahoma State, 2011).

In terms of 2014 schedule strength, the Big 12 has only two teams (Iowa State, West Virginia) in the top 10 based on opponents' 2013 winning percentage. The SEC has seven in the top 20. The ACC has eight in the top 30.

Baylor is 67th in schedule strength, the second lowest standing of any defending BCS conference champion. Preseason favorite Oklahoma is 93rd in that category.

In terms of playoff juice, One True Champion might as well be TBD -- To Be Determined.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...for-big-12

(07-21-2014 11:00 PM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

Simple math tells you that at least one Power 5 conference is going to be left out of the playoff each year. Four spots for five conferences (Pac-12, Big 12, ACC, SEC, Big Ten) does not compute.

"Anybody who thought this was going to resolve the controversies at the end of the year, I think, is probably barking up the wrong tree," said Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby.

So depending on which side of the rhetoric you dwell, college football demands of you an opinion about the only big-boy league without that conference championship game.

That's either a curse or -- as the Big 12 would have you believe -- a sledgehammer.

"You win the Big 12 you're going to the playoffs," said Baylor quarterback Bryce Petty.

Hold on there, sparky. Your league hasn't played for a championship since 2009, hasn't won one since 2005 (both Texas). Based on the BCS standings, a Big 12 team has finished in the top four once since 2010 (Oklahoma State, 2011).

In terms of 2014 schedule strength, the Big 12 has only two teams (Iowa State, West Virginia) in the top 10 based on opponents' 2013 winning percentage. The SEC has seven in the top 20. The ACC has eight in the top 30.

Baylor is 67th in schedule strength, the second lowest standing of any defending BCS conference champion. Preseason favorite Oklahoma is 93rd in that category.

In terms of playoff juice, One True Champion might as well be TBD -- To Be Determined.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...for-big-12

BIg 12 and ACC might have to beef up the OOC to pull it off depending on that strength of schedule formula

(07-21-2014 11:12 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 11:00 PM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

Simple math tells you that at least one Power 5 conference is going to be left out of the playoff each year. Four spots for five conferences (Pac-12, Big 12, ACC, SEC, Big Ten) does not compute.

"Anybody who thought this was going to resolve the controversies at the end of the year, I think, is probably barking up the wrong tree," said Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby.

So depending on which side of the rhetoric you dwell, college football demands of you an opinion about the only big-boy league without that conference championship game.

That's either a curse or -- as the Big 12 would have you believe -- a sledgehammer.

"You win the Big 12 you're going to the playoffs," said Baylor quarterback Bryce Petty.

Hold on there, sparky. Your league hasn't played for a championship since 2009, hasn't won one since 2005 (both Texas). Based on the BCS standings, a Big 12 team has finished in the top four once since 2010 (Oklahoma State, 2011).

In terms of 2014 schedule strength, the Big 12 has only two teams (Iowa State, West Virginia) in the top 10 based on opponents' 2013 winning percentage. The SEC has seven in the top 20. The ACC has eight in the top 30.

Baylor is 67th in schedule strength, the second lowest standing of any defending BCS conference champion. Preseason favorite Oklahoma is 93rd in that category.

In terms of playoff juice, One True Champion might as well be TBD -- To Be Determined.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...for-big-12

BIg 12 and ACC might have to beef up the OOC to pull it off depending on that strength of schedule formula

Actually I think the ACC with the addition of Louisville and the 5 games a year with ND starting up this year is ok. Plus most ACC teams do play a challenging OOC game or two or three which also indirectly should affect all members' schedule strength. Plus the fact is in the ACC to win the conference you had to play in a 13th game and have won it.

(07-21-2014 11:36 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 11:12 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 11:00 PM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

Simple math tells you that at least one Power 5 conference is going to be left out of the playoff each year. Four spots for five conferences (Pac-12, Big 12, ACC, SEC, Big Ten) does not compute.

"Anybody who thought this was going to resolve the controversies at the end of the year, I think, is probably barking up the wrong tree," said Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby.

So depending on which side of the rhetoric you dwell, college football demands of you an opinion about the only big-boy league without that conference championship game.

That's either a curse or -- as the Big 12 would have you believe -- a sledgehammer.

"You win the Big 12 you're going to the playoffs," said Baylor quarterback Bryce Petty.

Hold on there, sparky. Your league hasn't played for a championship since 2009, hasn't won one since 2005 (both Texas). Based on the BCS standings, a Big 12 team has finished in the top four once since 2010 (Oklahoma State, 2011).

In terms of 2014 schedule strength, the Big 12 has only two teams (Iowa State, West Virginia) in the top 10 based on opponents' 2013 winning percentage. The SEC has seven in the top 20. The ACC has eight in the top 30.

Baylor is 67th in schedule strength, the second lowest standing of any defending BCS conference champion. Preseason favorite Oklahoma is 93rd in that category.

In terms of playoff juice, One True Champion might as well be TBD -- To Be Determined.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...for-big-12

BIg 12 and ACC might have to beef up the OOC to pull it off depending on that strength of schedule formula

Actually I think the ACC with the addition of Louisville and the 5 games a year with ND starting up this year is ok. Plus most ACC teams do play a challenging OOC game or two or three which also indirectly should affect all members' schedule strength. Plus the fact is in the ACC to win the conference you had to play in a 13th game and have won it.

It doesn't hurt the ACC that it already has at minimum 4 OOC Games every year against the SEC with the Rivalry Week Games...

Did I not just tell you folks in another thread that Dodd was about to get active again on this subject?

Still don't think I know what I am talking about?

What conference is he talking about and what is he saying about them?

He's absolutely correct. It "might not" be enough.

If team A and team B have identical regular season records against similarly ranked foes...let's say 11-1 each, with wins against 3 top 25 teams, 6 top 50 teams, and a loss against a top 10 team...but team A also has an extra win in game 13 of the season against a top 10 team...

...how in the world can you NOT say that team A has a better schedule and is more deserving.

For the sake of argument, Tim Brando (new FOX anchor for CFB) predicted that the SEC would be shut out of the playoff this year b/c he foresees their champ having two regular season losses. (This would be VERY interesting!)

Every year is going to be a new paradigm in the new system...just like every year was a new paradigm in the BCS days. (Even as late as 2011--when a non-division winner made the BCS title game--were new scenarios being created...)

It's something to write about during the doldrums before the season starts. Look at the B1G and PAC before they had a CCG. If your best team wins it will help the conferences with a CCG as they get another quality win, over a usually good to great school. This gives them a leg up on a school without this extra quality win. If they lose then obviously it will hurt with the extra L. Sometimes the lack of a CCG hurt the B1G and PAC and sometimes it helped in the BCS era and that was only 2 schools. With 4 schools into the playoff the number of times lack of a CCG will make a difference is likely to have less of a bearing than during the BCS era. In the end it will probably be a wash.

A couple of Somebody's might want to be near Their phone! Could get interesting.

No one will get called for 3 or 4 years. If it became clear it was hurting B12 all bets would be off. but it first has to become clear.

I predict the following from both sides.

"Rah, rah, sis boom bah!!! Gooooooooo CONFERENCE!!!"

yeah definitely would need to become clear. Right now, in the 3 years of 10 team Big 12-
2011- Oklahoma St definitely would have been in
2012- Kansas St would have been in the discussion for sure- not sure if another game would have put them over the top quite frankly. Not getting in over ND, Alabama for sure. In a group with Florida, Stanford(p12 champ), and Oregon for 2 slots.
2013- same thing with Baylor last year... Less of a shot though....

So 1 definite yes, 1 definite no. 1 maybe. hardly conclusive...

(07-22-2014 07:39 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  No one will get called for 3 or 4 years. If it became clear it was hurting B12 all bets would be off. but it first has to become clear.

Mmmmmmmm...... 2 Oklahoma schools, 2 Kansas schools, 4 Texas schools.............let's see, 2 Florida schools in Major cities in a Large and great recruiting state..........No Problem !

(07-22-2014 07:52 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 07:39 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  No one will get called for 3 or 4 years. If it became clear it was hurting B12 all bets would be off. but it first has to become clear.

Mmmmmmmm...... 2 Oklahoma schools, 2 Kansas schools, 4 Texas schools.............let's see, 2 Florida schools in Major cities in a Large and great recruiting state..........No Problem !

Florida Atlantic and Florida International to the Big 12? Who knew?

(07-22-2014 07:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah definitely would need to become clear. Right now, in the 3 years of 10 team Big 12-
2011- Oklahoma St definitely would have been in
2012- Kansas St would have been in the discussion for sure- not sure if another game would have put them over the top quite frankly. Not getting in over ND, Alabama for sure. In a group with Florida, Stanford(p12 champ), and Oregon for 2 slots.
2013- same thing with Baylor last year... Less of a shot though....

So 1 definite yes, 1 definite no. 1 maybe. hardly conclusive...

1 definite yes, 2 that are iffy based on margin of the one loss.

You can make a good argument that if BU and KSU lose close games instead of by big margins they would be in the playoff those years.

(07-22-2014 08:05 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 07:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah definitely would need to become clear. Right now, in the 3 years of 10 team Big 12-
2011- Oklahoma St definitely would have been in
2012- Kansas St would have been in the discussion for sure- not sure if another game would have put them over the top quite frankly. Not getting in over ND, Alabama for sure. In a group with Florida, Stanford(p12 champ), and Oregon for 2 slots.
2013- same thing with Baylor last year... Less of a shot though....

So 1 definite yes, 1 definite no. 1 maybe. hardly conclusive...

1 definite yes, 2 that are iffy based on margin of the one loss.

You can make a good argument that if BU and KSU lose close games instead of by big margins they would be in the playoff those years.

After their loss they fell to #6 in the BCS poll I believe.

(07-22-2014 08:12 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:05 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 07:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah definitely would need to become clear. Right now, in the 3 years of 10 team Big 12-
2011- Oklahoma St definitely would have been in
2012- Kansas St would have been in the discussion for sure- not sure if another game would have put them over the top quite frankly. Not getting in over ND, Alabama for sure. In a group with Florida, Stanford(p12 champ), and Oregon for 2 slots.
2013- same thing with Baylor last year... Less of a shot though....

So 1 definite yes, 1 definite no. 1 maybe. hardly conclusive...

1 definite yes, 2 that are iffy based on margin of the one loss.

You can make a good argument that if BU and KSU lose close games instead of by big margins they would be in the playoff those years.

After their loss they fell to #6 in the BCS poll I believe.

After losing by multiple TD's. It would have been a lesser fall if they lose in triple OT IMO and they probably would have made a 4 team playoff. You have to look at the body of work and they would have been 8-1 in Big 12 play with the one coming narrowly, they laid waste to an ACC division champ (Miami) in non-con, and were very strong all year. Given the committee preference for conference champions I find it hard to argue that ND, Bama, KSU, and Oregon would not have been the 4.

(07-22-2014 08:05 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 07:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah definitely would need to become clear. Right now, in the 3 years of 10 team Big 12-
2011- Oklahoma St definitely would have been in
2012- Kansas St would have been in the discussion for sure- not sure if another game would have put them over the top quite frankly. Not getting in over ND, Alabama for sure. In a group with Florida, Stanford(p12 champ), and Oregon for 2 slots.
2013- same thing with Baylor last year... Less of a shot though....

So 1 definite yes, 1 definite no. 1 maybe. hardly conclusive...

1 definite yes, 2 that are iffy based on margin of the one loss.

You can make a good argument that if BU and KSU lose close games instead of by big margins they would be in the playoff those years.

last year would have been pretty tough. No way in over FSU, Auburn, or really Michigan St. It'd be between Baylor, Alabama, and Stanford.

2 years ago, KSU losing a closer game would have helped a lot more I think.

Dodd is conflating two different issues come playoff selection time- the lack of a championship game and SOS. I don't think there is any doubt SOS will be an important factor in the committee's mind. But we've seen throughout the history of college football teams in leagues without a championship game have some of the strongest schedules. A championship game doesn't make up for a weak league, and the lack of a championship game doesn't all of the sudden make a strong league weak.

If the Big 12 is top heavy with a strong nonconference performance resulting in a couple of one loss teams and a couple more two loss top 25 teams, the lack of a championship game won't matter. In the minds of the committee, the champion is going to have several big wins, depending on their nonconference schedule. Similarly if the champion of a 14 team league has a poor SOS resulting from either a weak league showing nonconference or missing a few top teams in their conference in the regular season, a championship game is not going to make up for that weak SOS ( not to mention providing one more potential loss).

By the penultimate weekend all that SOS will basically have worked itself out, and teams will basically have positioned themselves accordingly. I do think there will be a situation where, based on the committee ranks just before the last weekend, a championship game win propels a #5 non Big 12 team over a # 4 Big 12 team. But I also think there will be a situation where a # 4 non Big 12 team loses their championship game, allowing a # 5 Big 12 in the playoff. I think those situations will basically cancel themselves out, so that a championship game is 6 one, half dozen the other.

(07-22-2014 08:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:05 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 07:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah definitely would need to become clear. Right now, in the 3 years of 10 team Big 12-
2011- Oklahoma St definitely would have been in
2012- Kansas St would have been in the discussion for sure- not sure if another game would have put them over the top quite frankly. Not getting in over ND, Alabama for sure. In a group with Florida, Stanford(p12 champ), and Oregon for 2 slots.
2013- same thing with Baylor last year... Less of a shot though....

So 1 definite yes, 1 definite no. 1 maybe. hardly conclusive...

1 definite yes, 2 that are iffy based on margin of the one loss.

You can make a good argument that if BU and KSU lose close games instead of by big margins they would be in the playoff those years.

last year would have been pretty tough. No way in over FSU, Auburn, or really Michigan St. It'd be between Baylor, Alabama, and Stanford.

2 years ago, KSU losing a closer game would have helped a lot more I think.

Baylor would have had a stronger SOS and a similar loss to MSU. It would be tough but I think the conference champion criteria would favor BU and MSU over Bama. If not I think we would edge them if we had lost narrowly. Either way you are correct that it would have helped KSU more.

(07-22-2014 08:25 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 08:05 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 07:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah definitely would need to become clear. Right now, in the 3 years of 10 team Big 12-
2011- Oklahoma St definitely would have been in
2012- Kansas St would have been in the discussion for sure- not sure if another game would have put them over the top quite frankly. Not getting in over ND, Alabama for sure. In a group with Florida, Stanford(p12 champ), and Oregon for 2 slots.
2013- same thing with Baylor last year... Less of a shot though....

So 1 definite yes, 1 definite no. 1 maybe. hardly conclusive...

1 definite yes, 2 that are iffy based on margin of the one loss.

You can make a good argument that if BU and KSU lose close games instead of by big margins they would be in the playoff those years.

last year would have been pretty tough. No way in over FSU, Auburn, or really Michigan St. It'd be between Baylor, Alabama, and Stanford.

2 years ago, KSU losing a closer game would have helped a lot more I think.

Baylor would have had a stronger SOS and a similar loss to MSU. It would be tough but I think the conference champion criteria would favor BU and MSU over Bama. If not I think we would edge them if we had lost narrowly. Either way you are correct that it would have helped KSU more.

MSU in over Baylor just from a better win. Ohio St viewed as a better win than Oklahoma. Think Bama still gets in over Baylor. And Stanford still sitting there as well....