http://www.khou.com/news/local/Man-says-...57051.html

Quote:A Webster man says his apartment complex manager told him his American flag was a “threat to the Muslim community,” and that he has to take it down. But he’s not giving up without a fight.

Stepping onto Duy Tran's balcony in Webster, one thing is clear: "It means a lot to me," he said.

Quote:"What really stunned me is that she said it’s a threat towards the Muslim community,” said Tran. “I’m not a threat toward anybody."

We tried to ask a manager if that's exactly what was said, but she just handed us a statement, refused to answer any questions, and called an officer to escort us off the property, before we could press any further:

"While the Lodge on El Dorado admires our resident's patriotism, we must enforce our property rules and guidelines. Such guidelines maintain the aesthetics of our apartment community and provide for the safety of all residents. The apartment community already proudly displays our country's flag in a safe and appropriate manner at the entrances to our community."

But we saw other patriotic symbols hanging from other balconies in the complex, and Tran doesn't plan to budge.

I see nothing wrong with the statement the complex has put out as long as it is enforced across the board. Owners of property have the right to set the rules. Evidently the written statement and the managers verbal statement are not the same though.

Personally...I don't get all fired up over flags..but.. In this case if the manger expressed concern about Muslims being offended? I would not take the fcking thing down either. Fck her. I'd leave it there and dare one of these peace loving Muslims to say a fcking word about it. Then I'd make sure everyone knew who the objectors really are. I'd make their lives a living hell.

what I don't understand is ---- why would anyone want to live around a bunch of Muslims?

(07-22-2014 07:21 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  what I don't understand is ---- why would anyone want to live around a bunch of Muslims?

Well, for one thing they are normal every day folks like you and me just trying to make it though this world.


Also, there is already another thread about this somewhere. I think it was a couple of weeks ago.

The apartment complex is stupid. They could have easily said that their rules don't allow it and been done with it. When I lived in an apartment complex, there were strict rules about what could be on balconies. Pretty much the only thing allowed was patio furniture. Balconies could not be used for storage, this included bicycles, and you could not have anything hanging. Instead, they found a bad guy (who is likely nonexistent) to blame it on.

However, as stupid as that management behaved in this case, this comment is much worse:

(07-22-2014 07:21 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  what I don't understand is ---- why would anyone want to live around a bunch of Muslims?

(07-22-2014 08:48 AM)EpicNiner Wrote:  The apartment complex is stupid. They could have easily said that their rules don't allow it and been done with it. When I lived in an apartment complex, there were strict rules about what could be on balconies. Pretty much the only thing allowed was patio furniture. Balconies could not be used for storage, this included bicycles, and you could not have anything hanging. Instead, they found a bad guy (who is likely nonexistent) to blame it on.

However, as stupid as that management behaved in this case, this comment is much worse:

(07-22-2014 07:21 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  what I don't understand is ---- why would anyone want to live around a bunch of Muslims?

Is this the same place as the other thread where the landlord said to take down a flag because it may offend Muslims? In that case, no Muslim actually every complained which is what made what the landlord did even more asinine.

(07-22-2014 09:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Is this the same place as the other thread where the landlord said to take down a flag because it may offend Muslims? In that case, no Muslim actually every complained which is what made what the landlord did even more asinine.

Couldn't tell you because I didn't see the other thread. Just my opinion that the offended Muslim is probably nonexistent because the apartment complex didn't feel like dealing with the situation.

Yeah f*ck em, if they made me take down my American flag, basically telling me to stop being patriotic for the country I love, it'd be time to leave, and sue.

(07-22-2014 09:35 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Yeah f*ck em, if they made me take down my American flag, basically telling me to stop being patriotic for the country I love, it'd be time to leave, and sue.

I agree, but I think no one was actually offended or "threatened", so this is all an nonissue, IMO.

(07-22-2014 10:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 09:35 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Yeah f*ck em, if they made me take down my American flag, basically telling me to stop being patriotic for the country I love, it'd be time to leave, and sue.

I agree, but I think no one was actually offended or "threatened", so this is all an nonissue, IMO.

I guess I misread. I thought the complex manager made the guy take the flag down so nobody (muslim) would be offended. It would be even worse if nobody was offended and I was being demanded to take it down.

Covenants is probably one of the biggest killers of personal liberty in this country ... and probably the most underrated one.

Scratch an HOA, find a fascist.

(07-22-2014 05:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I see nothing wrong with the statement the complex has put out as long as it is enforced across the board. Owners of property have the right to set the rules. Evidently the written statement and the managers verbal statement are not the same though.

Personally...I don't get all fired up over flags..but.. In this case if the manger expressed concern about Muslims being offended? I would not take the fcking thing down either. Fck her. I'd leave it there and dare one of these peace loving Muslims to say a fcking word about it. Then I'd make sure everyone knew who the objectors really are. I'd make their lives a living hell.

F that dude. Its wrong and you know it.

(07-22-2014 10:42 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 05:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I see nothing wrong with the statement the complex has put out as long as it is enforced across the board. Owners of property have the right to set the rules. Evidently the written statement and the managers verbal statement are not the same though.

Personally...I don't get all fired up over flags..but.. In this case if the manger expressed concern about Muslims being offended? I would not take the fcking thing down either. Fck her. I'd leave it there and dare one of these peace loving Muslims to say a fcking word about it. Then I'd make sure everyone knew who the objectors really are. I'd make their lives a living hell.

F that dude. Its wrong and you know it.

I dont see it as right or wrong issue. I see it as a property rights situation. I don't get all emotional about colored cloth either.

You have a problem with private property rights Okie?

My personal belief system is trumped by your ability to control your property. If I don't like your rules...then I can leave your property.

I wonder if the rental agreement specifies that flags or symbols are not to be displayed from balconies? That could make a difference IMO. I think this should be expressed to the tenets beforehand...not afterwards.

I'd go out and immediately purchase a larger US Flag. The Muslim can choke on it and pound sand.


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(07-22-2014 11:46 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 10:42 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 05:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I see nothing wrong with the statement the complex has put out as long as it is enforced across the board. Owners of property have the right to set the rules. Evidently the written statement and the managers verbal statement are not the same though.

Personally...I don't get all fired up over flags..but.. In this case if the manger expressed concern about Muslims being offended? I would not take the fcking thing down either. Fck her. I'd leave it there and dare one of these peace loving Muslims to say a fcking word about it. Then I'd make sure everyone knew who the objectors really are. I'd make their lives a living hell.

F that dude. Its wrong and you know it.

I dont see it as right or wrong issue. I see it as a property rights situation. I don't get all emotional about colored cloth either.

You have a problem with private property rights Okie?

My personal belief system is trumped by your ability to control your property. If I don't like your rules...then I can leave your property.

I wonder if the rental agreement specifies that flags or symbols are not to be displayed from balconies? That could make a difference IMO. I think this should be expressed to the tenets beforehand...not afterwards.

See it as an issue of pride and forget the pre law class you took 10 years ago.