(07-21-2014 11:19 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I'm surprised Tyler Jones is on the second team. Don't get me wrong, I think the kid has the ability to even give Broadway a run for his money on the first team, but he hasn't proven that.

Is this a down year for Sun Belt QB's? Seems kinda odd to have a true sophomore on the second team when he only played in what? 6-7 games last year.

Lots of new starting QBs in the league:

Troy, USA, stAte, ULM off the top of my head.

(07-21-2014 02:59 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 02:51 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Interesting. No one from App or NMSU.

App's RB, Marcus Cox, has the potential to be a beast. Perfect for their offense. Ya'll will be hearing about him, for sure.

We may have had the best RB in the conference...

So he's a Doak Walker Award candidate but not even 2nd team preseason all conference.

Yeah ok...
http://www.goblueridge.net/sports/24884-...candidate-

(07-22-2014 08:46 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 11:19 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I'm surprised Tyler Jones is on the second team. Don't get me wrong, I think the kid has the ability to even give Broadway a run for his money on the first team, but he hasn't proven that.

Is this a down year for Sun Belt QB's? Seems kinda odd to have a true sophomore on the second team when he only played in what? 6-7 games last year.

Lots of new starting QBs in the league:

Troy, USA, stAte, ULM off the top of my head.

GSU

I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

Please, just stop.

(07-23-2014 10:34 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Please, just stop.

Stop what. Doing research? Knowing what you are talking about?

For the newbies here, what does the talent data say about ASU and UL.

This year, it again appears that UL is ill prepared to absorb injuries to a small number of very key players. If they do they are likely to have a precipitous drop-off in their performance in the here and now.

It also says their program is likely to have a very noticeable drop-off next year.

ASU again appears to have the overall talent to be able to maintain a reasonable level of performance even if the injury bug bites them. They should also be as good, or better next year.

Why, for only one reason, they have more overall talent.

(07-23-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

The three you mentioned are certainly standouts on the team, but without an offensive line and a decent defense, Broadway, McGuire, and Harris couldn't accomplish everything that was accomplished over the last 3 years. Lightly recruited players may be players who underperformed in high school, or may simply represent talent that others didn't see. To this point, I trust Hud to do the best with what he's got.

That's funny because a lot of the kids in hud's first class were kids him and coach stringer were recruiting to miss state, coach Saunders was recruiting to ole miss. But yeah , I guess nobody wanted them. Now the guys nobody wanted have 4 trophies and 1 hand full of rings. Those kids nobody wanted can leave with 6 trophies and6 rings.

(07-23-2014 10:34 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Please, just stop.

Ditto.

(07-23-2014 11:15 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

The three you mentioned are certainly standouts on the team, but without an offensive line and a decent defense, Broadway, McGuire, and Harris couldn't accomplish everything that was accomplished over the last 3 years. Lightly recruited players may be players who underperformed in high school, or may simply represent talent that others didn't see. To this point, I trust Hud to do the best with what he's got.

Well Q Lee and Young were the two lightly recruited players for ASU.

Remember I make it very clear that my projections are base only on a variety of recruiting rankings, and saying ASU has the best roster of talent in the SBC, is base only on the composite rankings of the players actually on their roster, vs those on the other SBC teams. At this point I don't know who their 2-deep consist of , so I don't really know if they have the best 2-deep in the SBC.

There is absolutely no doubt what so ever that a 22 to 23 year old former 2-star player that has played 3-4 years of FBS football, will probably be more than a 19 year old 3-star athlete can handle, especially in the trenches.

UL is picked #1 for a reason, but the data says their could be a kink in their armor. Think that was evident last year also.

Some of the newbies here might wonder why ASU, who has a new coaching staff and returns only 11 or so starters, is ranked so high.

(07-23-2014 11:10 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  For the newbies here, what does the talent data say about ASU and UL.

This year, it again appears that UL is ill prepared to absorb injuries to a small number of very key players. If they do they are likely to have a precipitous drop-off in their performance in the here and now.

It also says their program is likely to have a very noticeable drop-off next year.

ASU again appears to have the overall talent to be able to maintain a reasonable level of performance even if the injury bug bites them. They should also be as good, or better next year.

Why, for only one reason, they have more overall talent.

Haha, you are so full of crap... 95% of college teams will have a drop off when their star players are injured. This is especially true at the qb position.

Another theory to ponder is that HUD and his staff might be better at evaluating talent.

Other than the qb position, UL is very deep across the board. I figure you would know this since you seem to know everything else.

(07-23-2014 11:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:15 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

The three you mentioned are certainly standouts on the team, but without an offensive line and a decent defense, Broadway, McGuire, and Harris couldn't accomplish everything that was accomplished over the last 3 years. Lightly recruited players may be players who underperformed in high school, or may simply represent talent that others didn't see. To this point, I trust Hud to do the best with what he's got.

Well Q Lee and Young were the two lightly recruited players for ASU.

Remember I make it very clear that my projections are base only on a variety of recruiting rankings, and saying ASU has the best roster of talent in the SBC, is base only on the composite rankings of the players actually on their roster, vs those on the other SBC teams. At this point I don't know who their 2-deep consist of yet, so I don't really know if they have the best 2-deep in the SBC.

There is absolutely no doubt what so ever that a 22 to 23 year old former 2-star player that has played 3-4 years of FBS football, will probably be more than a 19 year old 3-star athlete can handle.

UKL is picked #1 for a reason, but the data says their could be a kink in their armor. Think that was evident last year also.

Ask ASU's front 7 if running the same power play over and over felt on their armor. Most teams that lose their star qb, insert freshman, turn the ball over 4 times in 1st half will find themselves on the wrong side of an arse whipping. Recruiting sites don't mean crap.

(07-23-2014 11:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:15 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

The three you mentioned are certainly standouts on the team, but without an offensive line and a decent defense, Broadway, McGuire, and Harris couldn't accomplish everything that was accomplished over the last 3 years. Lightly recruited players may be players who underperformed in high school, or may simply represent talent that others didn't see. To this point, I trust Hud to do the best with what he's got.

Well Q Lee and Young were the two lightly recruited players for ASU.

Remember I make it very clear that my projections are base only on a variety of recruiting rankings, and saying ASU has the best roster of talent in the SBC, is base only on the composite rankings of the players actually on their roster, vs those on the other SBC teams. At this point I don't know who their 2-deep consist of , so I don't really know if they have the best 2-deep in the SBC.

There is absolutely no doubt what so ever that a 22 to 23 year old former 2-star player that has played 3-4 years of FBS football, will probably be more than a 19 year old 3-star athlete can handle.

UKL is picked #1 for a reason, but the data says their could be a kink in their armor. Think that was evident last year also.

So you are basically stating that UL's "kink in the armor" is a production drop when Broadway get hurts. That is some deep stuff right there. Who would have thought that a team might suffer when their starting qb goes down with an injury!?!

Since recruiting ranking are infallible, we should go ahead and give the #1 recruiting class the national championship. It's all that really matters after all..

(07-23-2014 11:27 AM)BraveCajun Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:10 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  For the newbies here, what does the talent data say about ASU and UL.

This year, it again appears that UL is ill prepared to absorb injuries to a small number of very key players. If they do they are likely to have a precipitous drop-off in their performance in the here and now.

It also says their program is likely to have a very noticeable drop-off next year.

ASU again appears to have the overall talent to be able to maintain a reasonable level of performance even if the injury bug bites them. They should also be as good, or better next year.

Why, for only one reason, they have more overall talent.

Haha, you are so full of crap... 95% of college teams will have a drop off when their star players are injured. This is especially true at the qb position.

Another theory to ponder is that HUD and his staff might be better at evaluating talent.

Other than the qb position, UL is very deep across the board. I figure you would know this since you seem to know everything else.

I'm only comparing UL to ASU, and ASU roster of players were more highly recruited.

Because most of your players were not highly recruited, he must be good at evaluating and/or developing.

When ASU lost their starting QB against WKU and Ball State, there was some drop-off but not a lot. Think that will be the case again this year.

Again I do understand the limitations of the data I use, but I also know ASU has won or shared three titles after this data said they had put together the best roster of players in the SBC. All I'm saying is that is the case again this year.

(07-23-2014 11:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:15 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

The three you mentioned are certainly standouts on the team, but without an offensive line and a decent defense, Broadway, McGuire, and Harris couldn't accomplish everything that was accomplished over the last 3 years. Lightly recruited players may be players who underperformed in high school, or may simply represent talent that others didn't see. To this point, I trust Hud to do the best with what he's got.

Well Q Lee and Young were the two lightly recruited players for ASU.

Remember I make it very clear that my projections are base only on a variety of recruiting rankings, and saying ASU has the best roster of talent in the SBC, is base only on the composite rankings of the players actually on their roster, vs those on the other SBC teams. At this point I don't know who their 2-deep consist of , so I don't really know if they have the best 2-deep in the SBC.

There is absolutely no doubt what so ever that a 22 to 23 year old former 2-star player that has played 3-4 years of FBS football, will probably be more than a 19 year old 3-star athlete can handle, especially in the trenches.

UL is picked #1 for a reason, but the data says their could be a kink in their armor. Think that was evident last year also.

Some of the newbies here might wonder why ASU, who has a new coaching staff and returns only 11 or so starters, is ranked so high.

Glad you mentioned their new coaching staff. While their AD and his team have done a great job making top-knotch hires, a new coaching staff, under even the best of circumstances, is still a huge unknown. No?

(07-23-2014 11:45 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:15 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

The three you mentioned are certainly standouts on the team, but without an offensive line and a decent defense, Broadway, McGuire, and Harris couldn't accomplish everything that was accomplished over the last 3 years. Lightly recruited players may be players who underperformed in high school, or may simply represent talent that others didn't see. To this point, I trust Hud to do the best with what he's got.

Well Q Lee and Young were the two lightly recruited players for ASU.

Remember I make it very clear that my projections are base only on a variety of recruiting rankings, and saying ASU has the best roster of talent in the SBC, is base only on the composite rankings of the players actually on their roster, vs those on the other SBC teams. At this point I don't know who their 2-deep consist of , so I don't really know if they have the best 2-deep in the SBC.

There is absolutely no doubt what so ever that a 22 to 23 year old former 2-star player that has played 3-4 years of FBS football, will probably be more than a 19 year old 3-star athlete can handle, especially in the trenches.

UL is picked #1 for a reason, but the data says their could be a kink in their armor. Think that was evident last year also.

Some of the newbies here might wonder why ASU, who has a new coaching staff and returns only 11 or so starters, is ranked so high.

Glad you mentioned their new coaching staff. While their AD and his team have done a great job making top-knotch hires, a new coaching staff, under even the best of circumstances, is still a huge unknown. No?

It was for us last year...and for the first few games under Malzahn. And for WKU under Petrino.

Freeze has been our only coaching change that didn't have a few bumps.

(07-23-2014 11:45 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:15 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

The three you mentioned are certainly standouts on the team, but without an offensive line and a decent defense, Broadway, McGuire, and Harris couldn't accomplish everything that was accomplished over the last 3 years. Lightly recruited players may be players who underperformed in high school, or may simply represent talent that others didn't see. To this point, I trust Hud to do the best with what he's got.

Well Q Lee and Young were the two lightly recruited players for ASU.

Remember I make it very clear that my projections are base only on a variety of recruiting rankings, and saying ASU has the best roster of talent in the SBC, is base only on the composite rankings of the players actually on their roster, vs those on the other SBC teams. At this point I don't know who their 2-deep consist of , so I don't really know if they have the best 2-deep in the SBC.

There is absolutely no doubt what so ever that a 22 to 23 year old former 2-star player that has played 3-4 years of FBS football, will probably be more than a 19 year old 3-star athlete can handle, especially in the trenches.

UL is picked #1 for a reason, but the data says their could be a kink in their armor. Think that was evident last year also.

Some of the newbies here might wonder why ASU, who has a new coaching staff and returns only 11 or so starters, is ranked so high.

Glad you mentioned their new coaching staff. While their AD and his team have done a great job making top-knotch hires, a new coaching staff, under even the best of circumstances, is still a huge unknown. No?

No? ASU fans know for a fact it will take 4-5 games for them to get on the same page. Until that happens every game is like a box of chocolate.

Did not happen last year until the HC replaced his OC, which happened to be himself.

(07-23-2014 11:52 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:45 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 11:15 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(07-23-2014 10:18 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I've been comparing the Preseason All-Conference picks for the ASU and UL, and what stands out is how lightly recruited most of the UL players were . Remove Broadway, Harris and McGuire, and it appears almost no one wanted these players. Most came from one class, the class of 2011.

Might explain why their is such a huge drop-off when one of their three stars are not on the field. I expect UL will suffer a big drop-off next year.

Most of the ASU players had pretty good offer sheets (several had SEC offers),and are spread around more classes.

At ASU the talent surrounding these stars were even more highly recruited than they were.

Probably why there is less of a drop-off if one of these players are off the field and why there is not a big drop-off year to year. They just reload.

The three you mentioned are certainly standouts on the team, but without an offensive line and a decent defense, Broadway, McGuire, and Harris couldn't accomplish everything that was accomplished over the last 3 years. Lightly recruited players may be players who underperformed in high school, or may simply represent talent that others didn't see. To this point, I trust Hud to do the best with what he's got.

Well Q Lee and Young were the two lightly recruited players for ASU.

Remember I make it very clear that my projections are base only on a variety of recruiting rankings, and saying ASU has the best roster of talent in the SBC, is base only on the composite rankings of the players actually on their roster, vs those on the other SBC teams. At this point I don't know who their 2-deep consist of , so I don't really know if they have the best 2-deep in the SBC.

There is absolutely no doubt what so ever that a 22 to 23 year old former 2-star player that has played 3-4 years of FBS football, will probably be more than a 19 year old 3-star athlete can handle, especially in the trenches.

UL is picked #1 for a reason, but the data says their could be a kink in their armor. Think that was evident last year also.

Some of the newbies here might wonder why ASU, who has a new coaching staff and returns only 11 or so starters, is ranked so high.

Glad you mentioned their new coaching staff. While their AD and his team have done a great job making top-knotch hires, a new coaching staff, under even the best of circumstances, is still a huge unknown. No?

It was for us last year...and for the first few games under Malzahn. And for WKU under Petrino.

Freeze has been our only coaching change that didn't have a few bumps.

Freeze was familiar with the program, and the players as a result of being the OC the year before.

I was, quite honesty, horrified last year at what happened to the team's performance when Broadway went down. While I understand that any team's offensive production will likely drop when their top quarterback goes out, I would have expected Hud to have been better prepared for that eventuality.

In last year's New Orleans Bowl game, there can be no doubt that Broadway was not 100%. How could he have been with surgery and little practice going into the game? Jalen Nixon came in for some snaps when we needed qb yards on the ground.....and he generally got them. And, of course, some might say he was the difference in the game when he engineered that long drive from deep in our own territory which chewed up clock and left Tulane starting their last drive deep in their own.

This year, should Broadway go down to injury, there'll likely be a drop off in offensive production, but I'm betting this time around Hud will have the team much better prepared for that eventuality.