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RE: Kickoff Discussion #13: Bowling Green @ WKU
(07-23-2014 11:54 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(07-22-2014 10:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I've seen it repeatedly from Topper fans....defense defense defense and this game will not be won because of our defense which I think is going to be steady and better than most people think. Nope this game will b decided on the offensive line and protecting the QB. Western does that and we win!

BG loss just as much a we did on defense they must replace 2 lineman, a linebacker and 3 players in their defensive backfield. Doughty had just as good of a season as Johnson did last year and that's without a sure handed go to receiver or many that could make a play....

by all accounts that will not be a problem this year. We are quicker and have some players with break away speed something we didn't have much of last year. I'm not sold on the MAC and when you have 4 or 5 almost sure wins because the bottom of the conference is so bad it can distort things

Like Buffalo who was 8-5 with wins over
1 fcs
A awful 3 win Uconn
1 win Umass
1 win W mich.
2 win E mich
4 win Kent St
0 win Miami Ohio
7 win Ohio

Most people would say...8 wins great season but when you look at the wins and how bad 5 or 6 MAC teams was...not so great.

BG's record is about the same...till the MAC championship game their only good win was Buffalo and as I showed above ...was that really a good win. I think the bowl season proved this out.

Western was a foot away from having 10 wins last year...probably 18 inches from 11 wins. Two losses we came up 6 inches short on 4th down driving for the winning score on the other team's 15 -20 yardline. Bad call in the UL-L game really turn that game around....

4th and goal from half a foot away BP calls a roll out that turns into a pick 6...that would have put Western up 17-0 with a few minute left before halftime. That one play killed us and gave UL-L life.

So I might be looking through red tinted glasses but I know Western was 18 inches away from 11 wins. I think even with the weakness of losing a lot of talent on defense we will be steady in that area and from game one come out clicking on offense.

WKU 34
BG 28 (with a late score)

The bottom of CUSA was as weak as the bottom of the MAC. You should know as well as anybody as a fan of a former Sun Belt team that you can't judge a good G5 team by the bottom of their conference. That's what P5 worshipers do to try to discredit us, don't fall into the same trap.

BGSU lost by 1 on the road to an SEC team that beat Troy 62-7 and Rice 44-7. They beat Ohio 49-0, and beat #16 NIU(12-0) by 20pts. You can't write off a 10 win season because they lost their bowl game by 3pts on a FG with 1:17 left in the game, and did it without their head coach and most of his assistants.

Remember, Tulsa opened against BGSU last year and they were confident after finishing the previous season with 11 wins. BG beat them 34-7. Underestimate the Falcons at your own peril.

Comparing scores is the most useless stat and no one is writing off a 10 win season..

I'm pointing out it might not be as impressive as it look on paper. BG beat one good team and that was in the MAC championship game. But looking at a conference...top to bottom it might show why 3 schools from that conference had 10+ wins and in Buffalo's case 8 wins...

North Illinois...12 wins looks great on paper and I know you can only play the schools you are schedule but when you look closer at the schools those wins came from...most were junk wins. And as It was with Buffalo and Northern Ill (look at the breakdown below) ...most MAC schools beat up on the 5 really AWFUL schools in the conference or a fcs.

So while a conference is judged by the top...or it should be

if the bottom is filled with 1 or 2 win schools it explains how the top of the conference got their wins.

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RE: Kickoff Discussion #13: Bowling Green @ WKU
(07-23-2014 12:09 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 11:54 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  Underestimate the Falcons at your own peril.

Let me add this, anyone who underestimates Bowling Green (and I said this same thing last year prior to the Tulsa game) does so foolishly. The same goes for ANY of the upper level MAC teams.

I don't think too many folks here on our board will underestimate the Falcons, but I do expect a good game.

No one is underestimating the top of the MAC but I think a lot of the people throwing together the rankings are overestimating them base off of three 10+ win schools last year. And doing that without looking closer at how they got those wins...

mostly off the back of 0,1,2 win schools or fcs. Sure there were a few good wins but in most cases in games vs decent teams...bowls and OOC the MAC failed in those games.

So if they failed in games vs decent...not good but just decent schools what does that say about most of those 10 or more wins?
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RE: Kickoff Discussion #13: Bowling Green @ WKU
(07-23-2014 01:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Comparing scores is the most useless stat and no one is writing off a 10 win season..

not as useless as your comical attempt to downplay the success of other G5 programs.
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RE: Kickoff Discussion #13: Bowling Green @ WKU
(07-23-2014 01:42 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 01:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Comparing scores is the most useless stat and no one is writing off a 10 win season..

not as useless as your comical attempt to downplay the success of other G5 programs.

No I looked at "why" those schools won 10-12 games and you can call it comical but I haven't seen you dispute what I showed.

But if you really want to do the compare scores then lets do it...

Western beat Navy by 12, Navy beat IU by 6 which beat BG by 32 so does that make Western 38 points better than BG? Like I said....

comparing scores is useless

looking at why or how a team won their games isn't and as the MAC showed in their bowl games when playing OOC schools with decent records they did not fair very well. This doesn't mean a thing in the BG vs WKU game other than me pointing out...

rating teams especially G5 schools are mainly based off what they did last year...W-L not who they beat.
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RE: Kickoff Discussion #13: Bowling Green @ WKU
(07-23-2014 02:03 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 01:42 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 01:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Comparing scores is the most useless stat and no one is writing off a 10 win season..

not as useless as your comical attempt to downplay the success of other G5 programs.

No I looked at "why" those schools won 10-12 games and you can call it comical but I haven't seen you dispute what I showed.

But if you really want to do the compare scores then lets do it...

Western beat Navy by 12, Navy beat IU by 6 which beat BG by 32 so does that make Western 38 points better than BG? Like I said....

comparing scores is useless

looking at why or how a team won their games isn't and as the MAC showed in their bowl games when playing OOC schools with decent records they did not fair very well. This doesn't mean a thing in the BG vs WKU game other than me pointing out...

rating teams especially G5 schools are mainly based off what they did last year...W-L not who they beat.

BG beat the #16 team in the country (and knocked them out of a 2nd consecutive BCS Bowl) and you're all "yeah, but..". A win is a win is a win.
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RE: Kickoff Discussion #13: Bowling Green @ WKU
(07-23-2014 02:21 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 02:03 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 01:42 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(07-23-2014 01:27 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Comparing scores is the most useless stat and no one is writing off a 10 win season..

not as useless as your comical attempt to downplay the success of other G5 programs.

No I looked at "why" those schools won 10-12 games and you can call it comical but I haven't seen you dispute what I showed.

But if you really want to do the compare scores then lets do it...

Western beat Navy by 12, Navy beat IU by 6 which beat BG by 32 so does that make Western 38 points better than BG? Like I said....

comparing scores is useless

looking at why or how a team won their games isn't and as the MAC showed in their bowl games when playing OOC schools with decent records they did not fair very well. This doesn't mean a thing in the BG vs WKU game other than me pointing out...

rating teams especially G5 schools are mainly based off what they did last year...W-L not who they beat.

BG beat the #16 team in the country (and knocked them out of a 2nd consecutive BCS Bowl) and you're all "yeah, but..". A win is a win is a win.

ok give them a cookie for beating the #16 team in the country but that still does not change one thing I said...

who built that ranking by beating 9 schools with 0, 1 or 2 wins or beating schools that only won games vs those 0,1,2 win schools.
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RE: Kickoff Discussion #13: Bowling Green @ WKU
Just published in USA Today. Don't go to sleep on Bowling Green!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...r05vrgQMzA
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