App had 3 great years, that coincidentally overlaps some of the worst years at GS. Look Im not saying you are not a good program, but their is a bais for App that only your UM win can explain.

(07-19-2014 07:05 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Honest question, and I'm not trying to minimize the team:

Why are so many folks so high on South Alabama?

I'm not even saying it's undeserved, I just don't know why it's happening.

That's a good question that I would like to know as well. I didn't get to see them play last year.

(07-19-2014 07:11 PM)gseagle Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:55 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:22 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Perception, but not fact. Even though App has beaten us the last few years we have a much better record. I guess that's all people know about App. They beat UM and had a good 3 year run. They hadn't done much before or after those years.

Georgia Southern
2005 = 8 wins 4 losses
2006 = 3 wins 8 losses
2007 = 7 wins 4 losses
2008 = 6 wins 5 losses
2009 = 5 wins 6 losses
2010 = 10 wins 5 losses
2011 = 11 wins 3 losses
2012 = 10 wins 4 losses
2013 = 7 wins 4 losses

You have had basically 3 good years this past decade. Why those three years, because they changed the playoff format to 24 and games are set up geographically, so GaSo has beat up on some teams that neither of us would normally even schedule.
For example your 2010 record if you take out the easy wins would have been 7 and 5, instead of 10 and 5.
Do you want me to post App States' wins/losses each year beside Georgia Southerns'?

yes, please post that. in fact, go back to when we restarted football early 80s (1982 would suffice)...instead of your selective past 8 years.

Last 8 years, actually 9, is more important than what happened before some people were born. Remember to include our 1937 undefeated and unscored on season. I will let you go back as far as you want to do yourself.

(07-19-2014 07:33 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  App had 3 great years, that coincidentally overlaps some of the worst years at GS. Look Im not saying you are not a good program, but their is a bais for App that only your UM win can explain.

If people happen to think App State has been winning more than Georgia Southern then it is probably because it is true.

Georgia Southern..................Appalachian State
2005 = 8 wins 4 losses..........2005 = 12 wins 3 losses
2006 = 3 wins 8 losses...........2006 = 14 wins 1 loss
2007 = 7 wins 4 losses......... 2007 = 13 wins 2 losses
2008 = 6 wins 5 losses..........2008 = 11 wins 3 losses
2009 = 5 wins 6 losses..........2009 = 11 wins 3 losses
2010 = 10 wins 5 losses........2010 = 10 wins 3 losses
2011 = 11 wins 3 losses........2011 = 8 wins 4 losses
2012 = 10 wins 4 losses........2012 = 8 wins 4 losses
2013 = 7 wins 4 losses..........2013 = 4 wins 8 losses

Georgia Southern 67 wins<TOTAL> App State 91 wins

Appalachian State actually averaged almost 11 wins per year,
GaSo's best year total was 11, during this time if
you take out last year's dismal new coach start.

Still App State had 91 wins, Georgia Southern 67 wins during this period of time.
That's 24 more App State wins than Georgia Southern, during the last nine years, even with a terrible year last year..

App State was 1-A from the end of 1973 until the start of 1982 season.
Had some good wins over present SEC, ACC, AAC and CUSA teams during that time period. The Michigan win hasn't been the only big win.
We have over 200 more wins than GaSo during our history.
Not going to go back to ancient times. We had some good years like an undefeated and unscored on regular season. Nine years ago is a long time in itself.

(07-19-2014 08:08 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 07:11 PM)gseagle Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:55 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:22 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Perception, but not fact. Even though App has beaten us the last few years we have a much better record. I guess that's all people know about App. They beat UM and had a good 3 year run. They hadn't done much before or after those years.

Georgia Southern
2005 = 8 wins 4 losses
2006 = 3 wins 8 losses
2007 = 7 wins 4 losses
2008 = 6 wins 5 losses
2009 = 5 wins 6 losses
2010 = 10 wins 5 losses
2011 = 11 wins 3 losses
2012 = 10 wins 4 losses
2013 = 7 wins 4 losses

You have had basically 3 good years this past decade. Why those three years, because they changed the playoff format to 24 and games are set up geographically, so GaSo has beat up on some teams that neither of us would normally even schedule.
For example your 2010 record if you take out the easy wins would have been 7 and 5, instead of 10 and 5.
Do you want me to post App States' wins/losses each year beside Georgia Southerns'?

yes, please post that. in fact, go back to when we restarted football early 80s (1982 would suffice)...instead of your selective past 8 years.

Last 8 years, actually 9, is more important than what happened before some people were born. Remember to include our 1937 undefeated and unscored on season. I will let you go back as far as you want to do yourself.

(07-19-2014 07:33 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  App had 3 great years, that coincidentally overlaps some of the worst years at GS. Look Im not saying you are not a good program, but their is a bais for App that only your UM win can explain.

If people happen to think App State has been winning more than Georgia Southern then it is probably because it is true.

Georgia Southern..................Appalachian State
2005 = 8 wins 4 losses..........2005 = 12 wins 3 losses
2006 = 3 wins 8 losses...........2006 = 14 wins 1 loss
2007 = 7 wins 4 losses......... 2007 = 13 wins 2 losses
2008 = 6 wins 5 losses..........2008 = 11 wins 3 losses
2009 = 5 wins 6 losses..........2009 = 11 wins 3 losses
2010 = 10 wins 5 losses........2010 = 10 wins 3 losses
2011 = 11 wins 3 losses........2011 = 8 wins 4 losses
2012 = 10 wins 4 losses........2012 = 8 wins 4 losses
2013 = 7 wins 4 losses..........2013 = 4 wins 8 losses

Georgia Southern 67 wins<TOTAL> App State 91 wins

Appalachian State actually averaged almost 11 wins per year,
GaSo's best year total was 11, during this time if
you take out last year's dismal new coach start.

Still App State had 91 wins, Georgia Southern 67 wins during this period of time.
That's 24 more App State wins than Georgia Southern, during the last nine years, even with a terrible year last year..

App State was 1-A from the end of 1973 until the start of 1982 season.
Had some good wins over present SEC, ACC, AAC and CUSA teams during that time period. The Michigan win hasn't been the only big win.
We have over 200 more wins than GaSo during our history.
Not going to go back to ancient times. We had some good years like an undefeated and unscored on regular season. Nine years ago is a long time in itself.

6>3

(07-19-2014 07:33 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  App had 3 great years, that coincidentally overlaps some of the worst years at GS. Look Im not saying you are not a good program, but their is a bais for App that only your UM win can explain.

There may be a bias toward Appalachian having a better football program simply because we win more. It's not just about beating Michigan.
Even if we beat Georgia Southern the fourth straight time this year some GaSo fans will still feel like their program is better. That is why we normally do not say anything. However has been a lot of these references recently, and GaSo fans need to know.

(07-19-2014 08:17 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 08:08 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 07:11 PM)gseagle Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:55 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:22 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Perception, but not fact. Even though App has beaten us the last few years we have a much better record. I guess that's all people know about App. They beat UM and had a good 3 year run. They hadn't done much before or after those years.

Georgia Southern
2005 = 8 wins 4 losses
2006 = 3 wins 8 losses
2007 = 7 wins 4 losses
2008 = 6 wins 5 losses
2009 = 5 wins 6 losses
2010 = 10 wins 5 losses
2011 = 11 wins 3 losses
2012 = 10 wins 4 losses
2013 = 7 wins 4 losses

You have had basically 3 good years this past decade. Why those three years, because they changed the playoff format to 24 and games are set up geographically, so GaSo has beat up on some teams that neither of us would normally even schedule.
For example your 2010 record if you take out the easy wins would have been 7 and 5, instead of 10 and 5.
Do you want me to post App States' wins/losses each year beside Georgia Southerns'?

yes, please post that. in fact, go back to when we restarted football early 80s (1982 would suffice)...instead of your selective past 8 years.

Last 8 years, actually 9, is more important than what happened before some people were born. Remember to include our 1937 undefeated and unscored on season. I will let you go back as far as you want to do yourself.

(07-19-2014 07:33 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  App had 3 great years, that coincidentally overlaps some of the worst years at GS. Look Im not saying you are not a good program, but their is a bais for App that only your UM win can explain.

If people happen to think App State has been winning more than Georgia Southern then it is probably because it is true.

Georgia Southern..................Appalachian State
2005 = 8 wins 4 losses..........2005 = 12 wins 3 losses
2006 = 3 wins 8 losses...........2006 = 14 wins 1 loss
2007 = 7 wins 4 losses......... 2007 = 13 wins 2 losses
2008 = 6 wins 5 losses..........2008 = 11 wins 3 losses
2009 = 5 wins 6 losses..........2009 = 11 wins 3 losses
2010 = 10 wins 5 losses........2010 = 10 wins 3 losses
2011 = 11 wins 3 losses........2011 = 8 wins 4 losses
2012 = 10 wins 4 losses........2012 = 8 wins 4 losses
2013 = 7 wins 4 losses..........2013 = 4 wins 8 losses

Georgia Southern 67 wins<TOTAL> App State 91 wins

Appalachian State actually averaged almost 11 wins per year,
GaSo's best year total was 11, during this time if
you take out last year's dismal new coach start.

Still App State had 91 wins, Georgia Southern 67 wins during this period of time.
That's 24 more App State wins than Georgia Southern, during the last nine years, even with a terrible year last year..

App State was 1-A from the end of 1973 until the start of 1982 season.
Had some good wins over present SEC, ACC, AAC and CUSA teams during that time period. The Michigan win hasn't been the only big win.
We have over 200 more wins than GaSo during our history.
Not going to go back to ancient times. We had some good years like an undefeated and unscored on regular season. Nine years ago is a long time in itself.

6>3

15>11

(07-19-2014 07:53 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 07:05 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Honest question, and I'm not trying to minimize the team:

Why are so many folks so high on South Alabama?

I'm not even saying it's undeserved, I just don't know why it's happening.

That's a good question that I would like to know as well. I didn't get to see them play last year.

1. They ended the season crushing Monroe, UL-Lafayette, and Georgia State, by extremely convincing margins. No one else beat those three teams as bad as South did. They'll carry a lot of that momentum into next season. They had five losses that came down to seven points or less. Teams that have a lot of close losses much more often than not turn it around the following season and avenge those losses. I think if you look at margin of victory over conference teams, USA might be on top in that category.

2. They have three former Alabama receivers on their roster. Two of which were ranked 25th or better in their class coming out of high school. The other guy was a two star and most likely a walk on at Alabama. They also have a guy at receiver that's in Phil Steele's Pre-Season 1st Team All SBC. There are exactly zero SBC secondaries that can cover that (and Troy's receivers for that matter). Almost all of their line and running backs return for what should be a pretty explosive offense if their QB is even just mediocre.

There's plenty of reasons why USA should do well, but there are also a lot more question marks that most people are blowing of or are simply unaware of. This USA team could be great, but they have a lot of questions to answer.

I think why I'm surprised to see App ahead of us in the poll is the fact that you guys have to go on the road to Louisiana and stAte. We don't play either, plus we get you at home. I would think that would give us a slight edge to finish better than you this year. No denying you guys have owned us in recent years. Hopefully we figure it out this year.

Regarding App State vs GS...

I can see why GS fans are wondering why they were picked behind App State. The Massey Ratings (the superior conglomerate ranking system of over 100 ranking sites) has GS at 33rd in the FCS last year and App State at 61st last season. So it is a bit weird considering GS was the better team last season and GS's schedule is much much easier than App's.

I believe App had three NCs in a row. I may be wrong. But that's a pretty big deal. Even so, it's yet to be seen if either program's winning legacies will carry over to FBS with a new coach (GS) and no Jerry Moore (App). A lot of uncertainty here.

How convenient that GA70 includes the worst 4 year stretch in our program history with App State's best 3. And of course App has more Socon titles than us...they we're only in the conference almost 20 years more than us.

(07-19-2014 07:05 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Honest question, and I'm not trying to minimize the team:

Why are so many folks so high on South Alabama?

I'm not even saying it's undeserved, I just don't know why it's happening.

It could have been that last minute loss to the Vols, being 12 pts removed from am 11-1 record, the convincing wins in the last 3 conference games of the year, the one pt loss to co-champ ASU, or the 22 pt win against co-champ UL. It could be the veteran OL or the stacked WR and DB positions. WR Woodson got snaps at Alabama, Marvin Shinn would possibly be starting (ask the Bammers). I find it hard to believe they picked us third in the conference though. Should have been last.

Seriously though, I think the top half of the conference won't roll over and just hand the trophy to the Cajuns. There's going to be a fight.

(07-19-2014 06:24 PM)CAJUNCOUNTRY Wrote:  I don't believe that NMSU will be the worst team in this league. I think them and GaSt will be improved although it wont take much to improve both. NMSU will surprise some folks just hope its not the Cajuns they surprise.

I think the FCS teams might run out of gas late in the year due to depth issues but the rest of the Belt is going to be a real dogfight. I see good things for the future of this conference.

Definitely wasn't because of the Southern Utah game.

(07-19-2014 08:50 PM)HCJag Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 07:05 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Honest question, and I'm not trying to minimize the team:

Why are so many folks so high on South Alabama?

I'm not even saying it's undeserved, I just don't know why it's happening.

............or the 22 pt win against co-champ UL................

We have a date on Nov 1 this year at Cajun Field, hopefully with a healthy starting qb and all the reason in the world to win that game.

You App and GaSo clowns are 0-0 now. Welcome to the bigtime. You've already gotten more national pub than you received in the last 5 preseasons combined. Enjoy it.

Nobody gives a crap about your FCS history.

(07-19-2014 09:25 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Nobody gives a crap about your FCS history.

...we do.

(07-19-2014 09:28 PM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 09:25 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Nobody gives a crap about your FCS history.

...we do.

You'll get over it soon enough.

(07-19-2014 09:29 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 09:28 PM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 09:25 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Nobody gives a crap about your FCS history.

...we do.

You'll get over it soon enough.

You both have valid points. No FBS team cares what you did as FCS, but how you do in FBS. The fans, players and Universities live for the day and the future, but never forget their past and tradition.

Since people like to live in the now or recent past lets just compare the last 4 years, the ones high school recruits would remember. What do we see? Hmmmm, yet still more love for App. But the biggest argument against App finishing higher is the schedule. Most if not all GS fans don't consider any records prior to the rebirth of our football team because we started from nothing, not even a footballstashed away. I'm just wondering why the SBC fans and coaches would look at the schedules and last 2 to 3 years and think App is going to rank higher.

The only reason given was the UM win. And since App fans are all about wins vs losses the overall win percentage goes to GS, not by much but we are ahead.

(07-19-2014 10:09 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Since people like to live in the now or recent past lets just compare the last 4 years, the ones high school recruits would remember. What do we see? Hmmmm, yet still more love for App. But the biggest argument against App finishing higher is the schedule. Most if not all GS fans don't consider any records prior to the rebirth of our football team because we started from nothing, not even a footballstashed away. I'm just wondering why the SBC fans and coaches would look at the schedules and last 2 to 3 years and think App is going to rank higher.

The only reason given was the UM win. And since App fans are all about wins vs losses the overall win percentage goes to GS, not by much but we are ahead.

UM win, but simple reputation. The reputation amongst FBS Teams was that App was a legitimately scary program to play against that could beat any team on a good day. Georgia Southern was the team no one wanted to play because of the Triple Option offense.

Now you go into this year. App's returning a ton of young players after a tough year last year. Georgia Southern is coming off what would have been a mediocre year if not for the Florida game, AND The Eagles are changing offenses.

I could see why a group of coach's and SID's (Lets be clear, SID"s do a lot of this) would rate App slightly higher.

I don't think many SBC coaches really took the time to sit there and digest who plays who. They went with what they know