(07-24-2014 01:20 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote: I'm leaning this way too, because of the upgrade in conference ECU will experience.
The majority of the AAC are the same teams were were just in a conference with the year before and went 7-1 in that conference with the same team stars we have as Seniors this year.
UConn- 3-9
Temple 3-9
USF 3-9
all of you lost to FCS teams. This is as bad or worse than anything we've been facing.
Cincy is the only other team and they lost to 3-9 USF and 4-8 Illinios and the same Carolina team we smoked. This is your "upgrade" ouside of the teams we already know.
Talk about this upgrade all you want, talk about certain teams improving all you want so have Carden, Hardy and our team.
So the basis of your whole argument is that three teams lost to FCS schools so there is no way that the AAC will be any more difficult than the previous year's CUSA schedule?
For one, losing to an FCS is atrocious. But you are fooling yourself if you believe that defines a season. UConn lost to Towson, but I would submit that a lot of FBS programs would have lost to them last season. The year before, Towson took LSU to the limit. And they did play in the FCS Championship Game losing to North Dakota State who beat (up) a very respectable Kansas State team.
So anyways, I think your whole argument is flimsy and baseless. FCS teams beat FBS teams all the time. They beat the likes of Michigan, Virginia Tech and Kansas State. I think one year the ACC had 4 teams lose to FCS schools and three of them finished with winning records.
(07-24-2014 11:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote: Can I dispel a myth. ECU ranked 13th in sacks, and 49th in scoring defense in 2013. They weren't some horrendous unit as is played out on here. Also, most of the returners on D have started games at various times. These aren't true backups.
Allow me to add to this,
Total D was ranked 36th, rush D 13th, red zone D 19th, pass D eff. 42nd, Pass D 82nd (which was up 20+ spot better than 2012 with the same players, new DC)
Yes, we lose 7 players with starts, but that doesn't always show the whole picture. We return these guys that have starts, nor does it look at how teams do their rotations
Terry Williams 2 year starter +
C. Rose 2 starts **
White 2 starts **
Brandon Williams 5 starts ** +
Zeek Bigger 5 starts **
M. Overton 4 starts ** +
M. Falls 2 starts * +
J. Hawkins 3 starts **
D. Amos **
D. Allen **
This is just the main group of guys that could be starters this
* played in 10 or more games
** played in all 13 games
+ has played major time on D for more than 1 year.
(This post was last modified: 07-24-2014 05:53 PM by ecumbh1999.)
(07-24-2014 11:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote: Can I dispel a myth. ECU ranked 13th in sacks, and 49th in scoring defense in 2013. They weren't some horrendous unit as is played out on here. Also, most of the returners on D have started games at various times. These aren't true backups.
Allow me to add to this,
Total D was ranked 36th, rush D 13th, red zone D 19th, pass D eff. 42nd, Pass D 82nd (which was up 20+ spot better than 2012 with the same players, new DC)
Yes, we lose 7 players with starts, but that doesn't always show the whole picture. We return these guys that have starts, nor does it look at how teams do their rotations
Terry Williams 2 year starter +
C. Rose 2 starts **
White 2 starts **
Brandon Williams 5 starts ** +
Zeek Bigger 5 starts **
M. Overton 4 starts ** +
M. Falls 2 starts * +
J. Hawkins 3 starts **
D. Amos **
D. Allen **
This is just the main group of guys that could be starters this
* played in 10 or more games
** played in all 13 games
+ has played major time on D for more than 1 year.
Quality posts. I'm glad it's finally spelled out in full.
(This post was last modified: 07-24-2014 07:08 PM by ncbeta.)
Unless the Champion of the American is undefeated or has a better record then the rest of the G5 teams. The selection committee will chose the weakest possible apponent for their beloved P5 teams. So if the American's Champion has the same record as say the C-USA Champion, you can bet the C-USA Champion will get the nod through some made up comparison. Count on it. I am, I'm going to use just that theory to place my bets this year.
I'm not trying to make people mad. I just read the articles about the Committee and the selection process and saw where the advantages could be made for the P5 and it was easy to deduce from there.
Always remember; Cheaters gonna Cheat!!!
(This post was last modified: 07-24-2014 07:27 PM by USFRamenu.)
(07-24-2014 07:22 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: I predict it won't matter.
Unless the Champion of the American is undefeated or has a better record then the rest of the G5 teams. The selection committee will chose the weakest possible apponent for their beloved P5 teams. So if the American's Champion has the same record as say the C-USA Champion, you can bet the C-USA Champion will get the nod through some made up comparison. Count on it. I am, I'm going to use just that theory to place my bets this year.
I'm not trying to make people mad. I just read the articles about the Committee and the selection process and saw where the advantages could be made for the P5 and it was easy to deduce from there.
Always remember; Cheaters gonna Cheat!!!
As much as I want to be idealistic & say "This will never happen! The committee will be honorable", I COULD TOTALLY SEE THIS HAPPENING! I think you hit it on the head, Ramen!
(07-24-2014 11:59 AM)NBPirate Wrote: Can I dispel a myth. ECU ranked 13th in sacks, and 49th in scoring defense in 2013. They weren't some horrendous unit as is played out on here. Also, most of the returners on D have started games at various times. These aren't true backups.
Allow me to add to this,
Total D was ranked 36th, rush D 13th, red zone D 19th, pass D eff. 42nd, Pass D 82nd (which was up 20+ spot better than 2012 with the same players, new DC)
Yes, we lose 7 players with starts, but that doesn't always show the whole picture. We return these guys that have starts, nor does it look at how teams do their rotations
Terry Williams 2 year starter +
C. Rose 2 starts **
White 2 starts **
Brandon Williams 5 starts ** +
Zeek Bigger 5 starts **
M. Overton 4 starts ** +
M. Falls 2 starts * +
J. Hawkins 3 starts **
D. Amos **
D. Allen **
This is just the main group of guys that could be starters this
* played in 10 or more games
** played in all 13 games
+ has played major time on D for more than 1 year.
I think our defense will surprise & I'm really glad people think that we are gonna suck on that side of the ball. We have a lot more experience than most people want to acknowledge and the D was undervalued last year, mainly because of one bad game @ Marshall.
What people don't understand is that Marshall was a really good home team blowing out everyone else up there by even more points than they beat us by but they were a pedestrian/mediocre road team which is why they lost to Rice, Ohio, and MTSU. I really have never seen a more Jekyll and Hyde group. We were also coming off an emotional game having just smacked around our hated rival NCSU. Rightly or wrongly, it's hard to stay up for consecutive road games.
In a way I guess it's good that we're not getting the respect that we believe we deserve. It will be settled on the field. Football is literally right around the corner and I'm pumped!
All these guys but Richardson played in at least 11+ games (he played in 8). Their is plenty of experience in this unit. If this is the biggest question mark come on we have 3 upperclassmen and 2 seniors that have all been on the field a ton. People act like we got a bunch of true freshman out there. The pass defense wasn't anything special last year, probably about the weakest unit and we still did some things. It's not like they can get a lot worse anyway.
(This post was last modified: 07-25-2014 09:07 AM by StillJonesing.)
