The One-Win Rule Applies Only to Notre Dame
The ACC’s bowl selection will no longer be bound by the rigidity of a “one-win rule” but will have a general list of criteria to emphasize rationality and quality match ups on the field. A one-win rule does apply to Notre Dame’s participation in the ACC Bowl structure. Notre Dame is now eligible for ACC Bowl selection beginning with the Capital One Bowl and continuing through the league’s bowl selections. However, Notre Dame must be within one win of the ACC available team which has the best overall record, in order to be chosen. In other words, if an ACC team was 9-3, a 7-5 Notre Dame team could not be chosen

ACC Bowl Quick Selection Order
(The ACC is in the first year of six-year contracts with its current bowl partners. The current College Football Playoff format is a 12-year agreement)
College Football Playoff (four teams)
If the ACC Champion is not in one of the semifinal games it will appear in the Orange Bowl, or, if the Orange Bowl is a semifinal or national championship site, one of the Playoff “host” bowls, either the Fiesta of Chick-fi l-A Peach. There is no limit on how many teams the College Football Playoff may choose from a particular conference.

Orange
Opponent will be a team from the SEC, Big Ten or Notre Dame. If ACC Champion is in the College Football Playoff , a second ACC team will take its place in the Orange Bowl.

Capital One
Only if the ACC opponent in the Orange Bowl, in a non-semifinal year is a team from the Big Ten, a maximum of three times in six years.

Russell Athletic

Tier One Bowls
All have equal selection status
Belk /Hyundai Sun/New Era Pinstripe/Franklin American Mortgage Music City or Taxslayer

Tier Two Bowls
• Military Bowl Presented by Northrop Grumman
• Duck Commander Independence
• Detroit Lions Bowl (official name TBA)

Bitcoin St. Petersburg
After the 2014 and 2016 seasons; all others as conditional selection if not filled by Conference USA or American Athletic.

Birmingham
Conditional all years if not filled by SEC or American Athletic Conference

http://www.theacc.com/#!/news-detail/201...-14_hx82hh

so just looking...

the way I read it- if ACC has 6th team as 7-5(with only 1 CFP team), ND could go to any ACC bowl outside Russell Sports Bowl. If ACC has more than 1 CFP team, or 1 Citrus team- it could drop even lower.

(07-17-2014 10:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so just looking...

the way I read it- if ACC has 6th team as 7-5(with only 1 CFP team), ND could go to any ACC bowl outside Russell Sports Bowl. If ACC has more than 1 CFP team, or 1 Citrus team- it could drop even lower.

That is correct, it also replaces the old BC rule. BC played in the ACC Championship and lost. It fail all the way to Boise because higher bowls wanted a team with worse better travel fan base. The rule was the Champion could drop now lower than the Sun bowl. In theory, lets say BC played VT in the Championship game and lost. BC could now drop all the way to the St. Pete bowl (#10). I doubt the ACC would let that happen since it has taken more control in assigning the bowl teams.

(07-17-2014 12:30 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so just looking...

the way I read it- if ACC has 6th team as 7-5(with only 1 CFP team), ND could go to any ACC bowl outside Russell Sports Bowl. If ACC has more than 1 CFP team, or 1 Citrus team- it could drop even lower.

That is correct, it also replaces the old BC rule. BC played in the ACC Championship and lost. It fail all the way to Boise because higher bowls wanted a team with worse better travel fan base. The rule was the Champion could drop now lower than the Sun bowl. In theory, lets say BC played VT in the Championship game and lost. BC could now drop all the way to the St. Pete bowl (#10). I doubt the ACC would let that happen since it has taken more control in assigning the bowl teams.

I'd kind of guess ACC would have a rule in place that BC would have to go to one of the tier 1 bowls. Similar to before where ACC champ game team had to go no worse than Sun.

14 bowl agreements, how are they gonna fill them

(07-17-2014 12:37 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  14 bowl agreements, how are they gonna fill them

They have 14 agreements but only 9 or 10 slots many years. In other words, they don't need to fill 14 slots because they won't sending teams to all of these bowls every year. Filling 10 slots should be doable for a 15 team conf.

(07-17-2014 12:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:37 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  14 bowl agreements, how are they gonna fill them

They have 14 agreements but only 9 or 10 slots many years. In other words, they don't need to fill 14 slots because they won't sending teams to all of these bowls every year. Filling 10 slots should be doable for a 15 team conf.

yeah like this year if B10 doesn't go Orange-
1 Playoff/Orange
2 Russell
3-6 Belk, Sun, Music City, Taxslayer
7-9 Lions, Military, Independence
10 St Petersburg

now, if ACC gets 2nd team in Playoff/Orange/Access and then B10 goes Orange-
1-2 Playoff/Orange/Access
3 Citrus
4 Russell
5-8 Belk, Sun, Music City, Taxslayer
9-11 Lions, Military, Independence
12 St Petersburg

starts to get pretty dicey when you get down to even 9-11. Some years- those won't get filled at all.

Typically, it is 9-10 bowls a year the ACC is committed too. ACC are backups for two bowls, St. Pete in 2015,17,18,19. Birmingham 2014-2019. St. Pete is primary backup with Birmingham as the next backup. The odds of 14 bowls commitment are possible but unlikely.

2014 -
1. ACC sends FSU to Playoff and ND makes playoffs
2. Orange 2nd Place team verse B10 Team
3. Capital One - ACC replaces B10
4. Russell Bowl
5-9 Belk /Hyundai Sun/New Era Pinstripe/Franklin American Mortgage Music City or Taxslayer
11-12 Indy, Detroit, Military
13. St Pete
14. Birmingham - Replace an AAC or SEC.

While this would be an ACC wet dream, I think two people having the same DNA would be more likely. If a miracle occurs and the ACC does not enough teams. Birmingham and St. Pete would be the first to go. Historically, if it got to the Tier 2 bowls, the lowest payout is the first to be cut. I do give Ninja Swofford credit, he an amazing job of creating and protecting the ACC during the re-alignment and the new bowl-lineup.

(07-17-2014 12:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 12:37 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  14 bowl agreements, how are they gonna fill them

They have 14 agreements but only 9 or 10 slots many years. In other words, they don't need to fill 14 slots because they won't sending teams to all of these bowls every year. Filling 10 slots should be doable for a 15 team conf.

yeah like this year if B10 doesn't go Orange-
1 Playoff/Orange
2 Russell
3-6 Belk, Sun, Music City, Taxslayer
7-9 Lions, Military, Independence
10 St Petersburg

now, if ACC gets 2nd team in Playoff/Orange/Access and then B10 goes Orange-
1-2 Playoff/Orange/Access
3 Citrus
4 Russell
5-8 Belk, Sun, Music City, Taxslayer
9-11 Lions, Military, Independence
12 St Petersburg

starts to get pretty dicey when you get down to even 9-11. Some years- those won't get filled at all.

St Pete on thin ice under this scenario.

Side note, some say ACC is in St Pete in 2018 also (AAC website actually shows this). Guess we'll find out if true.

(07-17-2014 12:58 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Typically, it is 9-10 bowls a year the ACC is committed too. ACC are backups for two bowls, St. Pete in 2015,17,18,19. Birmingham 2014-2019. St. Pete is primary backup with Birmingham as the next backup. The odds of 14 bowls commitment are possible but unlikely.

2014 -
1. ACC sends FSU to Playoff and ND makes playoffs
2. Orange 2nd Place team verse B10 Team
3. Capital One - ACC replaces B10
4. Russell Bowl
5-9 Belk /Hyundai Sun/New Era Pinstripe/Franklin American Mortgage Music City or Taxslayer
11-12 Indy, Detroit, Military
13. St Pete
14. Birmingham - Replace an AAC or SEC.

While this would be an ACC wet dream, I think two people having the same DNA would be more likely. If a miracle occurs and the ACC does not enough teams. Birmingham and St. Pete would be the first to go. Historically, if it got to the Tier 2 bowls, the lowest payout is the first to be cut. I do give Ninja Swofford credit, he an amazing job of creating and protecting the ACC during the re-alignment and the new bowl-lineup.

your 5-9 group is a 5-8 group. It's music city OR Taxslayer- not both. So 13 teams would be the absolute max.

I'd call the new bowl lineup a slight upgrade overall mainly due to the upgrade of opponents in most of them.
ACC bad bowl record during bcs kept it from hitting home run though.

You are correct. Thanks for catching that. The ACC would have to get a Third Team in the ACCESS Bowl to get to 14, not sure the ACC will get to that SEC level in my lifetime.

Again, a problem the ACC hopes to have. This is where I think the American may have gambled to hard trying to get P5 opponents. It appears most of these are the bottom of the P5 food chain. The payouts will make the difference in the Tier 2 bowls. Historically, the Military is the lowest bowl payout for the ACC. I don't see that changing, I think the payout order this year will be. If true, the ACC vs AAC will be the first bowls to go.

Detroit
Indy (Duck Bowl)
Military Bowl

Someone forgot to tell Mike Aresco ACC wasn't playing in St Pete in 2018:

http://theamerican.org/news/2013/12/5/FB...h=football

2018 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – ACC
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. MAC
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Big 12
Bahamas Bowl, Nassau, Bahamas – vs. Conference USA
R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl, New Orleans, La. – vs. Sun Belt

(07-17-2014 01:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  You are correct. Thanks for catching that. The ACC would have to get a Third Team in the ACCESS Bowl to get to 14, not sure the ACC will get to that SEC level in my lifetime.

Again, a problem the ACC hopes to have. This is where I think the American may have gambled to hard trying to get P5 opponents. It appears most of these are the bottom of the P5 food chain. The payouts will make the difference in the Tier 2 bowls. Historically, the Military is the lowest bowl payout for the ACC. I don't see that changing, I think the payout order this year will be. If true, the ACC vs AAC will be the first bowls to go.

Detroit
Indy (Duck Bowl)
Military Bowl

St Pete might be in jeopardy, but I don't think Military is in too much diffuculty, even if picked after indy and det (7-9th selection or at worst 11th out of 15.). One other thing to consider, is that the SEC won't fill indy bowl over 50% of time, so that bowl is also going to have an AAC or CUSA team. So either way ACC is going to play AAC in either indy or military on many occasions.

(07-17-2014 01:14 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 01:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  You are correct. Thanks for catching that. The ACC would have to get a Third Team in the ACCESS Bowl to get to 14, not sure the ACC will get to that SEC level in my lifetime.

Again, a problem the ACC hopes to have. This is where I think the American may have gambled to hard trying to get P5 opponents. It appears most of these are the bottom of the P5 food chain. The payouts will make the difference in the Tier 2 bowls. Historically, the Military is the lowest bowl payout for the ACC. I don't see that changing, I think the payout order this year will be. If true, the ACC vs AAC will be the first bowls to go.

Detroit
Indy (Duck Bowl)
Military Bowl

St Pete might be in jeopardy, but I don't think Military is in too much diffuculty, even if picked after indy and det (7-9th selection or at worst 11th out of 15.). One other thing to consider, is that the SEC won't fill indy bowl over 50% of time, so that bowl is also going to have an AAC or CUSA team. So either way ACC is going to play AAC in either indy or military on many occasions.

Like this would be the first time a BE/AAC commissioner was the last to know from Swofford

Again, I have stated several times that the ACC has stated it is only playing twice and the AAC says three times. So someone is wrong. The statement comes from the 2014 Media Guide that was just released http://www.theacc.com/#!/news-detail/201...-14_hx82hh. Page 15. After seeing how late bowls were decided, we may not know until August 2018 which is correct. I do know, the ACC is not committed to the St. Pete bowl if the game is Pre-Christmas.

I am surprised to see the ACC commit to the bowl this year instead of next year since the Orange Bowl will be a Semi-final. If the ACC does play a third time, I do think it would make more sense scheduling the game when the Orange bowl is a Semi-final host. I know some AAC fans think I am bashing the bowl, but I can tell you I would be in St. Pete to watch NCSU in a bowl before I ever consider going to Detroit. It is the ACC's new Boise.

Also, the Indy Bowl backup is interesting. Never really saw who gets preference or how it works. Does it rotate between AAC and CUSA or CUSA first and if the both ACC/SEC fail to have a team, AAC would be 2nd? I can see that possibly happening, again depending on the priority order if not enough teams.

(07-17-2014 01:04 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  I'd call the new bowl lineup a slight upgrade overall mainly due to the upgrade of opponents in most of them.
ACC bad bowl record during bcs kept it from hitting home run though.

I disagree. It's not a bad bowl record that is the issue, the issue is the very small size of many of the ACC's teams. BC, WF, Duke, GT, and Miami have very small alumni bases compared to the larger half of the SEC and B10. If you have 45K students, and 250K living alums you are a better bowl bet than a school that has 12K students and 80K alums.

The Bowls don't really care who wins the game, as long as it's exciting and well attended.

agree, its not only wins/losses.
but the top of the acc sputtering on the field during that time didn't help demand.

(07-17-2014 01:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Also, the Indy Bowl backup is interesting. Never really saw who gets preference or how it works. Does it rotate between AAC and CUSA or CUSA first and if the both ACC/SEC fail to have a team, AAC would be 2nd? I can see that possibly happening, again depending on the priority order if not enough teams.

LOL, no. There has NEVER been any indication whatsoever that CUSA has preference over AAC. None.

As best as can be determined, BOTH AAC and CUSA share equal access. Both are backups every year and either/or may be selected in any given year. If only one team is needed, it basically becomes a big bowl pool of teams from both AAC and CUSA to select from.

A minor complaint, but shouldn't the top level bowls be called Tier1?

So shouldn't the tiers be defined this way

Tier1
Orange, and/or Peach, and/or Cotton, and/or Sugar, and/or Fiesta, and/or Rose

Tier2
Capital One, Russell Athletic

Tier3
Belk, Sun, Pinstripe, Music City,Taxslayer

Tier4
Military, Independence, Detroit

(07-17-2014 04:24 PM)goofus Wrote:  A minor complaint, but shouldn't the top level bowls be called Tier1?

So shouldn't the tiers be defined this way

Tier1
Orange, and/or Peach, and/or Cotton, and/or Sugar, and/or Fiesta, and/or Rose

Tier2
Capital One, Russell Athletic

Tier3
Belk, Sun, Pinstripe, Music City,Taxslayer

Tier4
Military, Independence, Detroit

That lineup just put a smile on my face