(07-17-2014 10:57 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:45 AM)RedParallax Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:34 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:21 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:08 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Local coverage hurts attendance...

to be honest I wish every game with in 50 miles would be blacked out

The more TV, the better.

Not the case for home attendance outside of the BCS very few programs are helped from games being shown local.

there's a reason all of use are having attendance issues basketball & football...

it's a lot easier to turn on the TV not to mention cheaper for the causal fan. If one of us consistently becomes a fringe top 20 team then it might not be a problem. There's a reason most of the "old" really old SBC schools in CUSA use to average 8 thousand fans in basketball...

if you wanted to see the game you had to show up and watch it

Welcome to the 21st century, then. In today's social networking, internet-connected world, blacking out a game is going to do nothing positive for current or potential fans and ticket buyers, especially when they can get a live, regular play-by-play via local radio and/or social networking (I know Marshall's beat writers cover the games live pretty well on Twitter).

I agree it can potentially hit game attendance, but if blacking out games on TV is your only other option, then you don't really have a good, viable alternative.

The best bet is to have a competitive program, and a strong marketing group at the University and it's Athletic Department to come up with unique ways to get butts in seats.

If a person would rather follow play by play then that's not a target fan...

most likely would never pay to attend a game.

We can't compete with the BSC for TV dollars where we need to do a better job is competing with butts in the seats and the donation that comes with that ticket. If we want to grow our programs that's the only way it will happen...

sooner, rather than later, the bubble will bust on how much money you can get out of a student. Giving your product away is not going to get the job done.

I understand EXPOSURE but you are not building that exposure with in the 50 miles around your campus. That is your target butts in the seats area and giving it away will not increase that...

winning will over time but most of us will never win consistently enough or at a high enough level to where giving the product away will not hurt...

all of us have fringe fans and a smaller core of fans willing to pay....letting those fringe fans see the game for free is not going to win them over. Local TV should be blacked out

There were people who thought the horse and buggy were superior to the car, too. Running from TV exposure is ridiculous.

By the way, are you Bob Marcum? (a joke only Herd fans will get).

Marshall built its fan base in the 90's through local syndicated TV and satellite distribution. If WKU doesn't want their home games televised locally, send the crew over to Huntington (a bad hypo because ALL of our home games will be televised this year--5 nationally, 1 on this new channel).

(07-17-2014 10:34 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Not the case for home attendance outside of the BCS very few programs are helped from games being shown local.

You cam always tell your admin to move back down to IAA and play EKU, Tenn State, Morehead State. Then you can play when ever you want. Because no one then would give a @#$%^ when or who you play.

I'm not concerned about the effect on attendance. I think the ability to reach more local football fans is a great advantage. In the Dallas/Fort Worth area, we have three FBS programs. It is a very unusual situation.

TCU games are not a priority for the Big12. When they are on T.V., they will almost always be on cable or satellite. The local community will not have as much access to their games. That's not good for a small private school that struggles with attendance issues.

SMU does get games aired locally outside of cable and satellite, but they don't have much of a fan followings. Ford looks empty on television. Many of them are fed up with Jones, so I don't see that changing any time soon.

North Texas is the big public university of Dallas/Fort Worth. It makes perfect sense to air some games locally, away from cable and satellite. Truth is these games being aired by ASN are third tier for a reason. I don't see how airing these games locally will hurt attendance.

This is great news as CUSA will be renegotiating its main tv contracts soon. Negotiating power is based on having alternatives and/or alternative tv outlets competing for the product (CUSA). In addition to the immediate exposure provided, this new tv deal helps set up a good position for the upcoming tv contract negotiations. Again, congrats to CUSA!

(07-17-2014 11:26 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  This is great news as CUSA will be renegotiating its main tv contracts soon. Negotiating power is based on having alternatives and/or alternative tv outlets competing for the product (CUSA). In addition to the immediate exposure provided, this new tv deal helps set up a good position for the upcoming tv contract negotiations. Again, congrats to CUSA!

Not really. Sinclair isn't going to be offering much in the way of $, if any at all. They'll have 0 impact on negotiations.

(07-17-2014 11:13 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:57 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:45 AM)RedParallax Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:34 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:21 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  The more TV, the better.

Not the case for home attendance outside of the BCS very few programs are helped from games being shown local.

there's a reason all of use are having attendance issues basketball & football...

it's a lot easier to turn on the TV not to mention cheaper for the causal fan. If one of us consistently becomes a fringe top 20 team then it might not be a problem. There's a reason most of the "old" really old SBC schools in CUSA use to average 8 thousand fans in basketball...

if you wanted to see the game you had to show up and watch it

Welcome to the 21st century, then. In today's social networking, internet-connected world, blacking out a game is going to do nothing positive for current or potential fans and ticket buyers, especially when they can get a live, regular play-by-play via local radio and/or social networking (I know Marshall's beat writers cover the games live pretty well on Twitter).

I agree it can potentially hit game attendance, but if blacking out games on TV is your only other option, then you don't really have a good, viable alternative.

The best bet is to have a competitive program, and a strong marketing group at the University and it's Athletic Department to come up with unique ways to get butts in seats.

If a person would rather follow play by play then that's not a target fan...

most likely would never pay to attend a game.

We can't compete with the BSC for TV dollars where we need to do a better job is competing with butts in the seats and the donation that comes with that ticket. If we want to grow our programs that's the only way it will happen...

sooner, rather than later, the bubble will bust on how much money you can get out of a student. Giving your product away is not going to get the job done.

I understand EXPOSURE but you are not building that exposure with in the 50 miles around your campus. That is your target butts in the seats area and giving it away will not increase that...

winning will over time but most of us will never win consistently enough or at a high enough level to where giving the product away will not hurt...

all of us have fringe fans and a smaller core of fans willing to pay....letting those fringe fans see the game for free is not going to win them over. Local TV should be blacked out

There were people who thought the horse and buggy were superior to the car, too. Running from TV exposure is ridiculous.

By the way, are you Bob Marcum? (a joke only Herd fans will get).

Marshall built its fan base in the 90's through local syndicated TV and satellite distribution. If WKU doesn't want their home games televised locally, send the crew over to Huntington (a bad hypo because ALL of our home games will be televised this year--5 nationally, 1 on this new channel).

Your attendance numbers would not agree with you it's been in the 25k to 22k range for 10+ years and the only exception was the year you played West Virgina at home. In the last 22 years Marshall's has a average attendance of 24,396...

now show me where TV has built up your attendance with the fringe fan?

Are we really arguing that not being on TV is better than being on TV?

(07-17-2014 11:36 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Are we really arguing that not being on TV is better than being on TV?

^THIS is where the argument starts and ends. The only option is that people arguing against TV exposure are just trolling lol

Yes, yes we are. LOL.

(07-17-2014 11:36 AM)Niner National Wrote:  Are we really arguing that not being on TV is better than being on TV?

That's not the argument at all of course being on TV is good...except locally it hurts attendance.

Too many of the fans and I'm sure that includes more than 50% on this forum would rather sit in front of a tv than go to the game. If that wasn't available to you you would get off the butt and attend.

So you want them off FS1 and CBS Sports too? Because those channels are available locally and nationally.

I live 45 minutes from Huntington. I go to most every game even if we are on TV.

(07-17-2014 11:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  So you want them off FS1 and CBS Sports too? Because those channels are available locally and nationally.

I live 45 minutes from Huntington. I go to most every game even if we are on TV.

There's such a thing as games being blacked out locally . What I've noticed is the louder a fan becomes when a team is losing...

that fan is usually a TV fan and hardly ever if at all attends the game. At least that's the way it is on Western's message boards. Also the fans that usually complain about games being blacked out are the ones that sit home more times than not.

(07-17-2014 11:31 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:26 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  This is great news as CUSA will be renegotiating its main tv contracts soon. Negotiating power is based on having alternatives and/or alternative tv outlets competing for the product (CUSA). In addition to the immediate exposure provided, this new tv deal helps set up a good position for the upcoming tv contract negotiations. Again, congrats to CUSA!

Not really. Sinclair isn't going to be offering much in the way of $, if any at all. They'll have 0 impact on negotiations.

Things are changing very, very rapidly. I have to think having a tv broadcast outlet wanting to increase its sports coverage has to be a strong positive for CUSA's future. For example, I thought of the Big East when I saw this thread.....that the BE getting such a good contract for a basketball conference from FOX, because FOX wants to have a larger position in the college tv market. It was unforeseen at the time.

I will say CUSA Commish, CUSA leaders, and CUSA fans seem to be very astutue and are very careful with their statements....and follow that old marketing axiom: Never over promise and under deliver. Rather, under promise and over deliver.

If they aren't coming anyway what's the point in blacking out the game? The expression "out of site, out of mind" comes to mind.

Maximize your visability and give that teenager a chance to become a fan that one day buys season tickets. Or give seniors who support the program, but physically can't make it to games anymore an option to still see their team.

Those are my thoughts anyway.

(07-17-2014 11:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  So you want them off FS1 and CBS Sports too? Because those channels are available locally and nationally.

I live 45 minutes from Huntington. I go to most every game even if we are on TV.

There's such a thing as games being blacked out locally . What I've noticed is the louder a fan becomes when a team is losing...

that fan is usually a TV fan and hardly ever if at all attends the game. At least that's the way it is on Western's message boards. Also the fans that usually complain about games being blacked out are the ones that sit home more times than not.

These are third tier games we are talking about. It isn't like these games are going to be sellouts. Sinclair isn't going to black out these games locally. If you have concerns about attendance, you need your AD to develop a better campaign to sell the WKU gameday experience to the fans.

6 of our 12 games will be televised with a good chance the Arkansas game will also be picked up. Good news for Blazer fans. I can get it on Directv

(07-17-2014 10:36 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 09:53 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 09:49 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  C-USA ASN football schedule for 2014

http://www.conferenceusa.com/genrel/071714aaa.html

2014 Conference USA Football on American Sports Network


Saturday, August 30 Hampton at Old Dominion 3:30 p.m. EDT/2:30 p.m. CDT
Saturday, August 30 Bethune Cookman at FIU 7:00 p.m. EDT/6:00 p.m. CDT
Saturday, September 6 JC Smith at Charlotte 12:00 p.m. EDT/11:00 a.m. CDT
Saturday, September 6 Rhode Island at Marshall 7:00 p.m. EDT/6:00 p.m. CDT
Saturday, September 13 Alabama A&M at UAB 3:30 p.m. EDT/2:30 p.m. CDT
Saturday, September 13 New Mexico State at UTEP 8:00 p.m. EDT/7:00 p.m. CDT
Saturday, September 20 Nicholls State at North Texas 3:30 p.m. EDT/2:30 p.m. CDT
Saturday, September 20 Appalachian State at Southern Miss 7:00 p.m. EDT/6:00 p.m. CDT
Saturday, September 27 FIU at UAB 3:30 p.m. EDT/2:30 p.m. CDT
Saturday, October 4 Southern Miss at Middle Tennessee 12:00 p.m. EDT/11:00 a.m. CDT
Saturday, October 4 New Mexico at UTSA 3:30 p.m. EDT/2:30 p.m. CDT
Saturday, October 4 Hawaii at Rice 7:00 p.m. EDT/6:00 p.m. CDT
Saturday, October 11 North Texas at UAB 3:30 p.m. EDT/2:30 p.m. CDT
Saturday, October 11 Old Dominion at UTEP 8:00 p.m. EDT/7:00 p.m. CDT
Saturday, October 18 WKU at Florida Atlantic 12:00 p.m. EDT/11:00 a.m. CDT
Saturday, October 18 Southern Miss at North Texas 7:00 p.m. EDT/6:00 p.m. CDT
Saturday, October 25 Louisiana Tech at Southern Miss 3:30 p.m. EDT/2:30 p.m. CDT
Saturday, October 25 UTEP at UTSA 7:00 p.m. EDT/6:00 p.m. CDT
Saturday, November 1 Rice at FIU 12:00 p.m. EDT/11:00 a.m. CDT
Saturday, November 1 UAB at Florida Atlantic 7:00 p.m. EDT/6:00 p.m. CDT
Saturday, November 8 Louisiana Tech at UAB 12:00 p.m. EST/11:00 a.m. CST
Saturday, November 8 FIU at Old Dominion 3:30 p.m. EST/2:30 p.m. CST
Saturday, November 8 Marshall at Southern Miss 7:00 p.m. EST/6:00 p.m. CST
Saturday, November 15 Wesley at Charlotte 12:00 p.m. EST/11:00 a.m. CST
Saturday, November 15 Middle Tennessee at FIU 3:30 p.m. EST/2:30 p.m. CST
Saturday, November 22 FIU at North Texas 3:30 p.m. EST/2:30 p.m. CST
Saturday, November 22 Florida Atlantic at Middle Tennessee 7:00 p.m. EST/6:00 p.m. CST
Saturday, November 29 Old Dominion at Florida Atlantic 12:00 p.m. EST/11:00 a.m. CST
Saturday, November 29 UAB at Southern Miss 3:30 p.m. EST/2:30 p.m. CST
Saturday, November 29 Middle Tennessee at UTEP 7:00 p.m. EST/6:00 p.m. CST

So I don't guess this new TV deal matters first season for WKU as only one game is being shown but I think I will like this deal once we know what specific channel its on and if I can get it on Direct TV....Hard to believe our game at MTSU will not be picked up anywhere by TV......

Pretty sure BOwling Green has the CW network and does not have any affiliates in Paducah....Paducah in relation to BG might as well be in North Carolina somewhere....

Western at MT will be handled by our local TV contract out of Nashville

From a GoBlueRaiders.com article this AM :

Blue Raider Sports Properties will also televise the WKU game on a local network with more information coming once a game time is confirmed.

I meant nationally, doubt I will be able to see game on TV in Lexington...

(07-17-2014 10:44 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 10:38 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  GREAT NEWS!!! Accentuate the POSITIVE! Great to have a 3rd tier network of any kind and this one seems to have a fairly good reach.GO Hilltoppers-GO C-USA!!!

P.S.-Will this include some 3rd tier basketball and others later in the year?

Yes. The C-USA statement says that the ASN will carry over 100 C-USA sporting events and the fb list is for 30 games. That leaves 70 events of some kind to carry and likely most will be basketball.

Yes it seems like a positive, just kind of nervous about it until I learn what channels this will be on in Kentucky...Sounds like a very good deal for basketball.....

(07-17-2014 11:53 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 11:42 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  So you want them off FS1 and CBS Sports too? Because those channels are available locally and nationally.

I live 45 minutes from Huntington. I go to most every game even if we are on TV.

There's such a thing as games being blacked out locally . What I've noticed is the louder a fan becomes when a team is losing...

that fan is usually a TV fan and hardly ever if at all attends the game. At least that's the way it is on Western's message boards. Also the fans that usually complain about games being blacked out are the ones that sit home more times than not.

These are third tier games we are talking about. It isn't like these games are going to be sellouts. Sinclair isn't going to black out these games locally. If you have concerns about attendance, you need your AD to develop a better campaign to sell the WKU gameday experience to the fans.

That goes for all of us not just a Western problem..looking at Attendance numbers (football & basketball) none of us must be doing a great job of " game day experience" if that is all it takes.

But local live coverage is not going to help our programs...

like I said one day and not very long from now that grant money/loan bubble will burst. When that day comes and each of our budgets take a 5 to 10 million dollar hit. Those same people sitting at home watching on TV will still expect to get it for free.

You build your program with season tickets and donations...not freebies

I sent a message to my local Fox/CW channel that is owned by Sinclair to see if they'd be showing any games. ODU doesn't get a whole lot of play here in the Western part of the state but I've been seeing more bumper stickers/license plates recently.