http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/07/1...E.facebook

Definitely need more details and I'm not saying that beating a teen is acceptable, but the teen admits to running from the cops and fighting back when they catch her. Again, not saying that is a reason to put her in the hospital, just that I need more detail before saying this is a case of a cop being out of control.

I agree that police seem to be too quick to violence. This and the story about the woman walking the tracks in CA (I think?) who was beaten to a pulp by a CHiP officer is appalling. If it was me in that story, I would have warned the kids like he did the first time. If I still saw walking to the store, I would have put them both into the cruiser and taken them home. I think that is what their plan was, but when the girl ran away from the cops it set off a chain reaction.

More like street culture and thug life is out of control. We can thank the glorification of ghetto life in the media and the absence of fathers for this new wave of violence.

(07-17-2014 08:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More like street culture and thug life is out of control. We can thank the glorification of ghetto life in the media and the absence of fathers for this new wave of violence.

Actually the group of kids there were confronted were the good kids in town. Hence to why the entire town of Clairton is outraged.

(07-17-2014 08:36 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More like street culture and thug life is out of control. We can thank the glorification of ghetto life in the media and the absence of fathers for this new wave of violence.

Actually the group of kids there were confronted were the good kids in town. Hence to why the entire town of Clairton is outraged.

To be honest, I don't know much about that case. My comment was in general.

We have an uptick in anti police sentiment in the US. People are killing police officers and then memorializing the killers. That is ghetto and it is getting worse. I think the further our society sinks into the sewer, the more hardened law enforcement is going to become. We have ourselves to blame for that.

It's not just that cops are bad and everyone is just a victim.

(07-17-2014 08:36 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More like street culture and thug life is out of control. We can thank the glorification of ghetto life in the media and the absence of fathers for this new wave of violence.

Actually the group of kids there were confronted were the good kids in town. Hence to why the entire town of Clairton is outraged.

Clairton is small enough that everyone should know each other. I don't understand why the cops overreacted to the kids if they were the good kids, or at least if the kids were unknown to the cops then they could conclude that these kids are not the normal bad apples that they encounter in the neighborhood. I also don't understand why the girl would run away if she was a good kid in the first place.

(07-17-2014 08:02 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/07/1...E.facebook

Preaching to the choir here in Charlotte ClairtonPanther. Remember we had a guy last year that
had a wreck, late at night, knocked on doors, people were scared with him being bloody, called the
cops, cops came out and shot him ten times before he died. Oh yes, he was unarmed.

Too many former Army and Marines with too many tours in Iraq or Afghanistan being hired
and having too much aggression. Post war syndrome not good police candidates.

Pay me $28K a year, make me work nights, weekends, and holidays, make me deal with the public at its worst, and arm me to the teeth.

What could possibly go wrong?

This sounds a bit far fetched to do to a skinny little 17 year old female.

“They both just tackled me to the ground and smushed my face into the ground, and their feet and legs, and they start pulling my hair, pushing me and stuff,” Wright added.

Where is the dash cam data? I feel bad for the girl that ran, but I can't give an opinion without at least some proof that the cops smushed her and pulled her hair and pushed her around after they tackled her.

A 60 second fight can easily feel like 30 minutes.

(07-17-2014 08:51 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:36 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  More like street culture and thug life is out of control. We can thank the glorification of ghetto life in the media and the absence of fathers for this new wave of violence.

Actually the group of kids there were confronted were the good kids in town. Hence to why the entire town of Clairton is outraged.

Clairton is small enough that everyone should know each other. I don't understand why the cops overreacted to the kids if they were the good kids, or at least if the kids were unknown to the cops then they could conclude that these kids are not the normal bad apples that they encounter in the neighborhood. I also don't understand why the girl would run away if she was a good kid in the first place.

maybe their squeeze didn't squeeze hard enough to choke the pittance they make.....or the steroids kicked into high gear

or maybe, just maybe, nobody on this board would wanna be a cop and not have a clue how shitttty that lifestyle must be....

....let's don't forget how social media has had an impact....nah, that part is meaningless....

you couldn't pay me enough money to do that crap in any lifetime....it has to suck to be a cop....it just has to.....

edit: oops, forgot cops were ivy league cro(a)p

Cops have it rough but that doesn't excuse excessive force which this certainly looks like.

(07-17-2014 08:59 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:02 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/07/1...E.facebook

Too many former Army and Marines with too many tours in Iraq or Afghanistan being hired
and having too much aggression. Post war syndrome not good police candidates.

THIS.

There is a big difference between using your training as a public servant and using your training as a member of the armed forces to do police work.

The police are now a majority ex-military, and I'm of the opinion that that is what creates ugly incidents like this.

(07-17-2014 08:59 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:02 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/07/1...E.facebook

Preaching to the choir here in Charlotte ClairtonPanther. Remember we had a guy last year that
had a wreck, late at night, knocked on doors, people were scared with him being bloody, called the
cops, cops came out and shot him ten times before he died. Oh yes, he was unarmed.

Too many former Army and Marines with too many tours in Iraq or Afghanistan being hired
and having too much aggression. Post war syndrome not good police candidates.

I think this is a major issue since there is the perception that these individuals are good candidates for law enforcement. But the military and the police require two completely different mindsets. Believing in an ROE that allows to to go home is not the mentality most police officers need to have.

I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

(07-17-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

A spike is a spike. I haven't looked at any sources, but I don't see how crime has declined in the U/S.

(07-17-2014 04:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

A spike is a spike. I haven't looked at any sources, but I don't see how crime has declined in the U/S.

Sure, and if it continues to increase for say the next five years I would completely agree that society was becoming more violent. But one year's increase means nothing when you're looking at large trends. In 2002, the national murder rate increased by one percent but then proceed to continue to steadily decrease in the following years.