(07-17-2014 04:22 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

A spike is a spike. I haven't looked at any sources, but I don't see how crime has declined in the U/S.

Sure, and if it continues to increase for say the next five years I would completely agree that society was becoming more violent. But one year's increase means nothing when you're looking at large trends. In 2002, the national murder rate increased by one percent but then proceed to continue to steadily decrease in the following years.

If we don't get a handle on the border issue, watch for it to grow even more. Our crime rate spiked after Katrina sent refugees up here.

(07-17-2014 04:24 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:22 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

A spike is a spike. I haven't looked at any sources, but I don't see how crime has declined in the U/S.

Sure, and if it continues to increase for say the next five years I would completely agree that society was becoming more violent. But one year's increase means nothing when you're looking at large trends. In 2002, the national murder rate increased by one percent but then proceed to continue to steadily decrease in the following years.

If we don't get a handle on the border issue, watch for it to grow even more. Our crime rate spiked after Katrina sent refugees up here.

Oh yeah, crime rate by city is a whole different story.

In this case I'm not going to say the girl is totally innocent. She did break curfew and did run from the police. But, fact of the matter is that the people of Clairton don't trust the police and your first instinct is to run. There's a difference between harassment and enforcing the law. I can't speak for other towns, but I'd much rather see policemen take off their uniforms and play basketball with teenagers instead of watching kids play ball for 5+ hours, or instant of chasing a kid breaking curfew, why not give them a courtesy ride home. The trust issue completely works both ways. By no means will I say Clairton is a peaceful town where nothing happens, Clairton is one of the roughest towns in the Mon Valley where some kids view their only hope of "getting out" is being a football stud. The tax revenue is so piss poor that Clairton can't even afford a full time police force. They have maybe 2 or 3 full time policeman and the rest are part time police with State Police also assisting Clairton police. So the residents of Clairton are dealing with a subpar police force that's doing the best that they can. Back to the girl for a minute, if she was in her home instead of being outside, nobody is talking about this today. Also, this girl is 17... I don't even see the need to bother a 17 year old that is outside at 10:05 and heading to her house. A year from now she wouldn't even be bothered. I can understand chasing down 12 years throwing rocks through windows, which actually happens in Clairton on a nightly basis, but bothering 17 year olds walking to their house is absurd.

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

You can find multiple sources that verify that percentage increase.

(07-17-2014 04:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

You can find multiple sources that verify that percentage increase.

I wasn't saying the percentage increase didn't happen. I don't have time or inclination to confirm whether or not it is accurate. Just like I can't say that the hundreds of articles discussing the steadily declining violent crime and property crime rates over the last twenty or so years are completely correct. (The FBI's official statistics seem to support the latter trend though.)

All I was saying was that one year's statistical developments do not amount to a trend.

(07-17-2014 04:40 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

You can find multiple sources that verify that percentage increase.

I wasn't saying the percentage increase didn't happen. I don't have time or inclination to confirm whether or not it is accurate. Just like I can't say that the hundreds of articles discussing the steadily declining violent crime and property crime rates over the last twenty or so years are completely correct. (The FBI's official statistics seem to support the latter trend though.)

All I was saying was that one year's statistical developments do not amount to a trend.

I think it is pretty evident that humanity has not kept up with technology and we are becoming a cold society.

The cops are just reacting to that. I am justifying nothing, but it is a very narrow scope to think the problem is that small.

Honestly, I think gang violence was far worse between 93 and 00. These days it's ruthless drug dealers killing each other and not so much blue & red. While there are Crips & Bloods out there, those two died off compared to the late 80's/early 90's. Sh*t like Folk Nation and MS13 are definitely on the rise.

(07-17-2014 04:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:40 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:34 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

You can find multiple sources that verify that percentage increase.

I wasn't saying the percentage increase didn't happen. I don't have time or inclination to confirm whether or not it is accurate. Just like I can't say that the hundreds of articles discussing the steadily declining violent crime and property crime rates over the last twenty or so years are completely correct. (The FBI's official statistics seem to support the latter trend though.)

All I was saying was that one year's statistical developments do not amount to a trend.

I think it is pretty evident that humanity has not kept up with technology and we are becoming a cold society.

The cops are just reacting to that. I am justifying nothing, but it is a very narrow scope to think the problem is that small.

I think I see what you mean on the second part. I agree, you're right that the issue is larger than just one problem.

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

Are you sure violent crime has decreased or is it the way those crimes are reported?

According to data compiled by the FBI based on the total number of incidents reported to the police, the violent crime rate in 2012 was almost half the rate in 1993. Even the total number of violent crimes is down (despite the population growing by around 50 million people during that time). 2013's violent crime rate was also lower than 2012's rate, which in turn was lower than 2011.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...3-2012.xls

This is where you can get the source for data from the National Crime Victimization Survey, but it's not user friendly (seriously, good luck if you try). These figures are extrapolated based on in-home interviews.
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245

Here is an article that seems to be the same one the The Economic Collapse article was based on. The increase here was mostly due to relatively minor crimes that aren't reported to the police. Even with the recent uptick, the NCVS results are still well below those from the mid-90s.

Quote:The violent crime rate went up 15 percent last year, and the property crime rate rose 12 percent, the government said Thursday, signs that the nation may be seeing the last of the substantial declines in crime of the past two decades. . . .

The 2012 increases were driven by a rise in crimes that were not reported to police, a category frequently involving less-serious offenses. . . .

Crime rates had been declining since 1993, with an uptick in 2006 the only exception. From 1993 to 2011, the rate of violent crime declined by 72 percent.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/surv...-in-a-row/

Also, the FBI major crime statistics don't track simple assaults (no weapon or serious injury) and the NCVS doesn't track murder (hard to answer affirmatively to that one) or arson. Of course, another reason for the discrepancy might be that getting the stuffing knocked out of you by a cop only counts as an assault in the NCVS.

And 2013 had the fewest police officer fatalities since World War II.
http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fata.../year.html

(07-17-2014 05:48 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:14 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 04:06 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 03:37 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I reject the notion this is just a police problem. Society is becoming more violent and the police are the ones having to deal with that.

Try putting on that uniform and doing their job.

Statistically, America has become much less violent. Of course it's a hard job no one is denying that, lots of people still manage to do it without beating up teenage girls too.

False
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archi...-last-year

As sterling a source as "The Economic Collapse Blog" must be, a one or two year spike in crime is not statistically significant enough to declare previous trends of declining crime and violent crime to be null and void. At least that's what I think.

The tone of the entire piece is extremely sensationalist and anecdotal.

Are you sure violent crime has decreased or is it the way those crimes are reported?

That's definitely a possibility, I'm not sure. I did read while briefly looking into this that the definition for inclusion of rape and assault for these statistics has been widened a good bit as the years have passed, especially rape.