(07-16-2014 09:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 08:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 08:42 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 08:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Sorry guys, but there is a special element of the human species that is downright evil and the punishment must be a deterent.
Who pays for life in prison? Some people don't deserve to be on this planet.

Except that it isn't a deterrent.
And who pays for life in prison? The same people who foot the bill for death penalty legal fees: the American taxpayer. Death penalty cases cost ten times as much as similar criminal cases that do not involve the death penalty; even in Texas it's still three times as much.
This site backs up most of what I'm saying:
http://conservativesconcerned.org/

That doesn't even make any sense. A last meal and a jolt of electricity does not cost more than life in prison. Not even close.

No, but the legal maneuvering before you execute someone costs more.

I'm sure you would totally care about the cost if that 19 year old that was buried alive was your sister.

At my most wrathful, I'd want that SOB to spend the rest of his life in sensory deprivation. Barring that he can rot in a supermax without human contact for the rest of his life.

(07-17-2014 08:28 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 08:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 08:42 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Except that it isn't a deterrent.
And who pays for life in prison? The same people who foot the bill for death penalty legal fees: the American taxpayer. Death penalty cases cost ten times as much as similar criminal cases that do not involve the death penalty; even in Texas it's still three times as much.
This site backs up most of what I'm saying:
http://conservativesconcerned.org/

That doesn't even make any sense. A last meal and a jolt of electricity does not cost more than life in prison. Not even close.

No, but the legal maneuvering before you execute someone costs more.

I'm sure you would totally care about the cost if that 19 year old that was buried alive was your sister.

At my most wrathful, I'd want that SOB to spend the rest of his life in sensory deprivation. Barring that he can rot in a supermax without human contact for the rest of his life.

Yeah, that's not how prison is for these people most of the time. They end up joining prison gangs, controlled from the outside. They sell drugs and continue their burden on society. All while they are given free meals and recreation.

People like Clayton Lockett need to ride the lightning.

(07-17-2014 08:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:28 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 08:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  That doesn't even make any sense. A last meal and a jolt of electricity does not cost more than life in prison. Not even close.

No, but the legal maneuvering before you execute someone costs more.

I'm sure you would totally care about the cost if that 19 year old that was buried alive was your sister.

At my most wrathful, I'd want that SOB to spend the rest of his life in sensory deprivation. Barring that he can rot in a supermax without human contact for the rest of his life.

Yeah, that's not how prison is for these people most of the time. They end up joining prison gangs, controlled from the outside. They sell drugs and continue their burden on society. All while they are given free meals and recreation.

People like Clayton Lockett need to ride the lightning.

Then Dix we need to focus on making prison home to people who truly belong there, violent criminals. But that would put you in a bind because of your hardline position on drug dealers. Until we cut thorough that knot, we'll continue to have the issues you describe.

(07-17-2014 08:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:28 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No, but the legal maneuvering before you execute someone costs more.

I'm sure you would totally care about the cost if that 19 year old that was buried alive was your sister.

At my most wrathful, I'd want that SOB to spend the rest of his life in sensory deprivation. Barring that he can rot in a supermax without human contact for the rest of his life.

Yeah, that's not how prison is for these people most of the time. They end up joining prison gangs, controlled from the outside. They sell drugs and continue their burden on society. All while they are given free meals and recreation.

People like Clayton Lockett need to ride the lightning.

Then Dix we need to focus on making prison home to people who truly belong there, violent criminals. But that would put you in a bind because of your hardline position on drug dealers. Until we cut thorough that knot, we'll continue to have the issues you describe.

Or we just continue to execute those who consciously decide to take innocent life.

Life in prison>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dying with a sweet sweet barb/opiate shot

IMO

(07-16-2014 04:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I'm down with that...

until one of these people tortures your sister and buries your mother alive while you watch tied to a tree.

I would want life without parole...taking a life solves nothing.

Taking the life of a murderer/child rapist takes him out of the system.

I mean, we all have our opinions about it, I just don't understand how you would want someone to live if they raped and/or killed someone you loved. The guy that tied that family up and shot them all in the back of their head needs to suffer antagonizing pain for a while and be left somewhere, tied up, for dead.

(07-17-2014 08:44 AM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  Life in prison>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dying with a sweet sweet barb/opiate shot

IMO

If it were that glorious dude, they would just shoot them full of heroin. They are not even conscious.

They are gone forever and cannot kill again. They can continue to kill in prison.

(07-16-2014 05:19 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  It should be gone. It's barbaric and undermines our moral authority argument in foreign relations.

You DO understand what it takes to get the death penalty, or do you not?

(07-17-2014 08:47 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:44 AM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  Life in prison>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dying with a sweet sweet barb/opiate shot

IMO

If it were that glorious dude, they would just shoot them full of heroin. They are not even conscious.

They are gone forever and cannot kill again. They can continue to kill in prison.

Let them kill other prisoners. Heck they are probably pot users anyhow!

(07-16-2014 08:42 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 08:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Sorry guys, but there is a special element of the human species that is downright evil and the punishment must be a deterent.

Who pays for life in prison? Some people don't deserve to be on this planet.

Except that it isn't a deterrent.

And who pays for life in prison? The same people who foot the bill for death penalty legal fees: the American taxpayer. Death penalty cases cost ten times as much as similar criminal cases that do not involve the death penalty; even in Texas it's still three times as much.

This site backs up most of what I'm saying:

http://conservativesconcerned.org/

There are many, many, MANY cheap and free ways to take a murdering piece of shiit to his day of judgement.

Compassion DOES have limits.

Without the death penalty option on the table, our prosecutors will have less leverage in negotiating plea deals and garnering valuable information from criminals (such as where are the bodies buried and in the case of gang crime who are you working for). As someone else point else pointed out, there are certain cases that just warrant it.

(07-17-2014 08:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Without the death penalty option on the table, our prosecutors will have less leverage in negotiating plea deals and garnering valuable information from criminals (such as where are the bodies buried and in the case of gang crime who are you working for). As someone else point else pointed out, there are certain cases that just warrant it.

very good point.

(07-16-2014 10:18 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 08:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 08:42 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Except that it isn't a deterrent.
And who pays for life in prison? The same people who foot the bill for death penalty legal fees: the American taxpayer. Death penalty cases cost ten times as much as similar criminal cases that do not involve the death penalty; even in Texas it's still three times as much.
This site backs up most of what I'm saying:
http://conservativesconcerned.org/

That doesn't even make any sense. A last meal and a jolt of electricity does not cost more than life in prison. Not even close.

No, but the legal maneuvering before you execute someone costs more.

I'm sure you would totally care about the cost if that 19 year old that was buried alive was your sister.

I pray that I'll never be in the situation where a loved one's life was taken by someone else, and I'm sure you feel the same. We'll never know how it feels unless it happens, and I hope that no one ever feels that kind of pain.

That being said, I feel as if life in prison is the less desirable of the two punishments (you may disagree, and that's fine). The person who commits the crime can rot in hell for all of eternity when it's their time. In the meantime, I wouldn't want to become entrenched in the lengthy death penalty legal process that takes years to resolve and just prolongs the pain. Executing the killer (and this assumes that the right person was arrested and convicted) won't bring back the deceased relative, so I would feel slightly 'better' knowing that a pathetic excuse for a person is spending the rest of their life inside of a concrete block instead of dying quickly.

So why not eliminate the chance of him breaking out and murdering more innocent lives or getting out on parole for good behavior, and then murdering more innocent lives?

(07-17-2014 08:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:32 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:28 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:08 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  No, but the legal maneuvering before you execute someone costs more.

I'm sure you would totally care about the cost if that 19 year old that was buried alive was your sister.

At my most wrathful, I'd want that SOB to spend the rest of his life in sensory deprivation. Barring that he can rot in a supermax without human contact for the rest of his life.

Yeah, that's not how prison is for these people most of the time. They end up joining prison gangs, controlled from the outside. They sell drugs and continue their burden on society. All while they are given free meals and recreation.

People like Clayton Lockett need to ride the lightning.

Then Dix we need to focus on making prison home to people who truly belong there, violent criminals. But that would put you in a bind because of your hardline position on drug dealers. Until we cut thorough that knot, we'll continue to have the issues you describe.

Drug dealers belong in prison. Users nabbed with simple possession, not so much.

(07-17-2014 08:48 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 05:19 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  It should be gone. It's barbaric and undermines our moral authority argument in foreign relations.

You DO understand what it takes to get the death penalty, or do you not?

Yes. The criminal did something so unacceptable, incomprehensible, barbaric, and utterly crazy so we're gonna do the same thing to them. People who joyfully advocate for executions are no better than the murderers.

(07-17-2014 09:44 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:48 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 05:19 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  It should be gone. It's barbaric and undermines our moral authority argument in foreign relations.

You DO understand what it takes to get the death penalty, or do you not?

Yes. The criminal did something so unacceptable, incomprehensible, barbaric, and utterly crazy so we're gonna do the same thing to them. People who joyfully advocate for executions are no better than the murderers.

So my wife and son are abducted, tortured and killed by a serial killer. I want the serial killer brought to justice and put to death and I am no better than the serial killer because of that? You are a certified, grade A dumb@ss.

(07-17-2014 09:44 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:48 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 05:19 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  It should be gone. It's barbaric and undermines our moral authority argument in foreign relations.

You DO understand what it takes to get the death penalty, or do you not?

Yes. The criminal did something so unacceptable, incomprehensible, barbaric, and utterly crazy so we're gonna do the same thing to them. People who joyfully advocate for executions are no better than the murderers.

It's not the same thing, they're getting put out of their misery the easy way. They aren't going to suffer a "barbaric" death like the victim they chose. And just so you know, your last sentence wreaks of retardaliberalism and makes absolutely no sense.

Compassion has its limits.

(07-17-2014 08:46 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I'm down with that...

until one of these people tortures your sister and buries your mother alive while you watch tied to a tree.

I would want life without parole...taking a life solves nothing.

Taking the life of a murderer/child rapist takes him out of the system.

I mean, we all have our opinions about it, I just don't understand how you would want someone to live if they raped and/or killed someone you loved. The guy that tied that family up and shot them all in the back of their head needs to suffer antagonizing pain for a while and be left somewhere, tied up, for dead.

I would gain zero absolution in that...only more sadness that yet another life has been taken.

an eye for an eye just leaves everyone blind...

(07-17-2014 09:44 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:48 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 05:19 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  It should be gone. It's barbaric and undermines our moral authority argument in foreign relations.

You DO understand what it takes to get the death penalty, or do you not?

Yes. The criminal did something so unacceptable, incomprehensible, barbaric, and utterly crazy so we're gonna do the same thing to them. People who joyfully advocate for executions are no better than the murderers.

What a load.

(07-17-2014 11:44 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-17-2014 08:46 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:23 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I'm down with that...

until one of these people tortures your sister and buries your mother alive while you watch tied to a tree.

I would want life without parole...taking a life solves nothing.

Taking the life of a murderer/child rapist takes him out of the system.

I mean, we all have our opinions about it, I just don't understand how you would want someone to live if they raped and/or killed someone you loved. The guy that tied that family up and shot them all in the back of their head needs to suffer antagonizing pain for a while and be left somewhere, tied up, for dead.

I would gain zero absolution in that...only more sadness that yet another life has been taken.

an eye for an eye just leaves everyone blind...

So if a man broke into your Aunt and Aunt's house (I know you're fond of them so I'll use them as an example), horribly beat and raped them both just because they were lesbians and he disagreed with their lifestyle, and then hung them by their necks, you would be sad if he was put to death?