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Re: RE: Obama Regime Warns Israel Against Ground Invasion of Gaza…
(07-15-2014 04:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 03:42 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 02:04 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 11:16 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 11:14 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  He didn't say "Don't go in there, or else..." Israel can still do whatever the heck it wants.

I'm sure the good people of Israel appreciate your allowing them that latitude with rockets raining down on them...

What are the good people of Palestine supposed to do with bombs raining down on them?

They are not all good people. The ones that aren't profit from death and destruction, therefore they provoke situations like this.

Israelis are all good people?
Israelis don't profit from this?

I am speaking in political terms. The Israelís profit from peace.

I am not the one who cast things in terms of the good Palestinans. The conflict was instigated by the decisions of the culture of death, if you recall.
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RE: Obama Regime Warns Israel Against Ground Invasion of Gaza…
(07-15-2014 05:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 04:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 04:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So, what should Israel do?

And what should the Palestinians do?

Hell if I know.

Maybe they could purchase some land from their neighbors. 03-idea

Some more land from somewhere is what it is going to take.

For whom? Why won't the Jordanians welcome the Palestinians to a new home? Carve out a little land for them? Maybe Egypt perhaps?
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RE: Obama Regime Warns Israel Against Ground Invasion of Gaza…
(07-15-2014 05:35 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 05:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 04:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 04:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So, what should Israel do?

And what should the Palestinians do?

Hell if I know.

Maybe they could purchase some land from their neighbors. 03-idea

Some more land from somewhere is what it is going to take.

For whom? Why won't the Jordanians welcome the Palestinians to a new home? Carve out a little land for them? Maybe Egypt perhaps?

Arabs HATE Palestinians. That's why they were so happy to dump them into the British mandate after WWI.
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RE: Obama Regime Warns Israel Against Ground Invasion of Gaza…
(07-15-2014 05:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 05:35 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 05:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 04:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 04:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So, what should Israel do?

And what should the Palestinians do?

Hell if I know.

Maybe they could purchase some land from their neighbors. 03-idea

Some more land from somewhere is what it is going to take.

For whom? Why won't the Jordanians welcome the Palestinians to a new home? Carve out a little land for them? Maybe Egypt perhaps?

Arabs HATE Palestinians. That's why they were so happy to dump them into the British mandate after WWI.

Hmmm, so the Palestinian answer for their plight is to bomb Israel? Why aren't they bombing Jordan and making demands from them?

Sounds to me like they might be the problem. If you've got a bunch of neighbors, and all of them hate one family, yours, but can generally get along go along with all the rest, (they don't have to all love or even like each other, but at least co-exist), then it sounds to me like you might be the problem. Doesn't sound all that far-fetched to me.
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Obama Regime Warns Israel Against Ground Invasion of Gaza…
Israel needs to "release the hounds". They were too kind Yassar Arafat ( dead ringer for Ringo Starr) way too long.


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RE: Obama Regime Warns Israel Against Ground Invasion of Gaza…
(07-15-2014 05:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 04:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 04:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So, what should Israel do?

And what should the Palestinians do?

Hell if I know.

Maybe they could purchase some land from their neighbors. 03-idea

Some more land from somewhere is what it is going to take.

we could offer the Palestinians California, and they would refuse. they would stay in their desert sh!thole so they could still shoot rockets at Israel.
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Palestinians are the lowest of the low on the Arab social scale. They would look at trailer trash being a step up. It's not that they are bad or evil, it's just no other Arabs want to associate with them on any level other than 'the hired help'. This goes for the average Palestinian on the Street and the Hamas terrorists. The fact is the Palestinians are Jordanian citizens (for the most part) based on their Passports. The world should focus on Jordan letting their citizens settle in the country of their right. But you don't really want to shake up Jordan because they have a cozy behind the scenes relationship with Israel, for profit. Unfortunately, Jordan will be the next country to fall in the Middle East dominos. There are plenty of Middle Eastern factions that profit handsomely from the Palestinians attacking Israel if for no other reason it keeps their populations nullified over Israel's existence.
Israel profits from peace more than conflict. Facts on the ground prove that
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RE: Obama Regime Warns Israel Against Ground Invasion of Gaza…
(07-15-2014 06:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 05:53 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 05:35 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 05:02 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-15-2014 04:56 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Hell if I know.

Maybe they could purchase some land from their neighbors. 03-idea

Some more land from somewhere is what it is going to take.

For whom? Why won't the Jordanians welcome the Palestinians to a new home? Carve out a little land for them? Maybe Egypt perhaps?

Arabs HATE Palestinians. That's why they were so happy to dump them into the British mandate after WWI.

Hmmm, so the Palestinian answer for their plight is to bomb Israel? Why aren't they bombing Jordan and making demands from them?

Because they know the Arabs wouldn't cry for Israel if it were bombed out of existance. If HAMAS went after one Arab nation, they'd get run over in heartbeat and not one Arab nation would be demanding that the assault stop.
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(07-15-2014 10:31 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  Palestinians are the lowest of the low on the Arab social scale. They would look at trailer trash being a step up. It's not that they are bad or evil, it's just no other Arabs want to associate with them on any level other than 'the hired help'. This goes for the average Palestinian on the Street and the Hamas terrorists. The fact is the Palestinians are Jordanian citizens (for the most part) based on their Passports. The world should focus on Jordan letting their citizens settle in the country of their right. But you don't really want to shake up Jordan because they have a cozy behind the scenes relationship with Israel, for profit. Unfortunately, Jordan will be the next country to fall in the Middle East dominos. There are plenty of Middle Eastern factions that profit handsomely from the Palestinians attacking Israel if for no other reason it keeps their populations nullified over Israel's existence.
Israel profits from peace more than conflict. Facts on the ground prove that

The ones who have Jordanian passports do so as an accident of history, not because they share anything in common with Jordanian Arabs.

Palestinians are basically the lineal descendants of the Philistines, a non-Semitic (important) people who lived in Gaza and the northern Sinai in Biblical times. If you have a Bible with maps in the back, look at the one showing Israel in the Davidic era and you'll see exactly where they lived. Goliath was a Philistine. The change from Philistine to Palestine came with the Roman Empire, as the soft Greek "ph" was replaced with the hard Roman "p" sound. When the Roman Empire collapsed, they ended up living in no man's land between Egypt and whatever empire controlled the Holy Land. Their only sources of livelihood were fishing in the Mediterranean and raiding trading caravans that passed through. It was basically a terrible existence, and those who could would indenture themselves to wealthy Arabs in places like Cairo and Damascus and Baghdad in order to get out. In the Arab world they were outcasts and were treated pretty much the same as Jews in Europe--they couldn't own real property, they were excluded from certain professions. So like the Jews in Europe, they became the smiths and craftsmen of the Arab world. The bright kids went to school and became doctors, lawyers, and accountants. The one big difference with the Jews in Europe was that they shared the same religion with their masters, so at least the doctors and lawyers and accountants got to intermarry. Over time the Semitic/non-Semitic distinction got diluted, but everyone still remembered who was Palestinian and who wasn't. No matter how successful and prosperous they became, they were still second class citizens.

When the UK got the Palestine mandate after WWI, the area was basically deserted, something like 300,000 people living in a land that now has 8 million. The trade routes died out after Dias and da Gama went around the tip of Africa. The whole area had pretty much been forgotten. There were some Christians left over from the Crusades, some Jews left over from Roman times, and some Arabs--all living relatively peacefully together and trying to make a go of it. The Brits opened up the area to immigration in order to get it repopulated. They had a mandate to create a Jewish state in the area, but the first people to come back were the diaspora Palestinians. They were tired of the second-class citizen thing and the Arabs were glad to get rid of them. They settled first in the cities because they were city-dwellers in the Arab world. Eventually the Brits started settling some of them along the West Bank. They did not return to their ancestral homeland in Gaza because it was a hell-hole where nobody wanted to live. So now you've got the (relatively) rich cousins living on the West Bank and the poor cousins living in Gaza. One problem is that the folks on the West Bank have no idea how to farm, so they don't have much economic success. Then comes Hitler and WWII and the Holocaust, and the Jews turn up in numbers to claim that homeland they were promised. The West Bank goes initially to Jordan, which is why the Palestinians who settled there got Jordanian passports. Four wars get fought (1949, 1956, 1967, 1973) with the Jews winning each one. They keep their territorial gains after 1949, don't after 1956. Egyptians use the territory they gave back in 1957 to stage an invasion in 1967, which Israelis pre-empt. They learned their lesson in 1956 so they keep the gains in 1967. The game changer is 1973 when Arabs learn two things--their oil is a weapon, and Israel is willing to nuke them. Arabs no longer want to confront Israel directly, because they don't want to get nuked back. So they turn to surrogates--Palestinians, whom they consider worthless and expendable. Now you have Iran, an Aryan nation the wants to subjugate the Arabs in a modern Persian Empire. They start subsidizing anti-Israel terrorists in the hope of building a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" alliance with the Arabs.

That sort of gets us to where we are. So what do you do?
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Actually, the Philistine question is still up in the air. The one thing the Jewish people have had throughout history is their dedication to education. It was a huge advantage when the countries, empires etc over ran them etc and had leadership that was illiterate, they turned to the ones who could read, write and understand Mathmatics. And they made a lot of money for them. This has not been the case in the Arab world, especially the last several hundred years.
I understand Palestinians hold Jordanian passports by a twist of historical fact. But the point is, they hold Jordanian passports. It be hooves the Arabs and Persians to highlight the Palestinian struggle against Isreal, to shift the focus on how much worse they treat them than the Israeli's
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(07-16-2014 11:26 AM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  Actually, the Philistine question is still up in the air.

Yes, it is, and it's complicated by some of the recent DNA work. Yasser Arafat always claimed the Philistine link as justification for the land claims. But in reality, that justifies a claim on Sinai, not Israel.

One thing that people don't do is distinguish between three groups. You have the Palestinians in Gaza, who probably are descended from the Philistines to some greater extent. Without intending to be overly cruel, remember that these are the descendants of those who either weren't smart enough to get out over the years, or weren't smart enough to convince any Arab to indenture them. Think of the Darwinian implications, and maybe it's no wonder that Gaza is a hell-hole. They would have a historical claim on Gaza or Sinai, but not the West Bank. You have the Palestinians who left in the diaspora and whose descendants returned when the Brits opened the area up for settlement. To be fair, I don't think anyone has any idea how many of these are actually descended from diaspora Palestinians and how many just used it as an excuse to leave wherever they were living in 1920. Their claim to the West Bank would date back to about 1924 or so. And you have what I call Arabs, who are the descendants of the Arabs who lived in modern Israel for centuries, along with Christians and Jews. They could claim a historic right to the land, but there aren't very many of them, and there would also be Christians and Jews with similar rights. The Brits found only about 300,000 people (including Arabs, Jews, and Christians) in all of Israel in 1920, which is 1/6 the current population of the Gaza Strip to give some perspective.

Quote:I understand Palestinians hold Jordanian passports by a twist of historical fact. But the point is, they hold Jordanian passports. It be hooves the Arabs and Persians to highlight the Palestinian struggle against Isreal, to shift the focus on how much worse they treat them than the Israeli's

True. One thing that gets omitted in this is how badly the Arabs treated the Palestinians, both the diaspora Palestinians and the ones in Gaza.
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