(07-21-2014 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 11:27 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 06:56 PM)Dman Wrote:  path is basically closed except for one spot

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The P5 will allow FCS conferences that have at least 8 members to move up, but not individual school unless invited by a G5. Any new FCS to FBS conference won't participate in CFB payouts until 2026.

Did not realize this decision on a conference move-up was included in the new autonomy rules (it is not)

I don't think the P5 give a rats ass how many times the G5 want to split their pie but the pie won't get any bigger. Just smaller pieces for each conference. Besides if you have to wait 12 years to share in any FBS revenue then that is a killer right there for most FCS schools. I agree with Damon The path is pretty much closed unless the p5 expand somehow or we see some other significant change like a p5 breakaway.

In a nutshell, all that the FCS schools interested in moving up want is some pie. They aren't capable of making pie on their own, so they want the schools that are capable to share their pie with them.

The P5 don't need the G5 for pie, but they hope that sharing will make the public (and congress) feel better about them. I agree that the P5 has already shared all that they intend to, so unless the G5 wants to give up some of theirs, we're pretty much at an impasse.

There could be a new path, though. It's drastic. Eliminate the FCS. Then, stop funding the NCAA through the D-I basketball tournament. Fund it through dues, with D-I schools paying the most. Eliminate all automatic qualifiers to NCAA tournaments. Then, any school that is willing to sponsor 16 sports and pay the dues can join D-I.

My guess is you wouldn't get 150 schools who want that deal.

Pretty much. Future FCS move-ups want the g5 to take smaller shares to make room for them. Much like many in the g5 want the p5 to take less to make room for them. It simply won't fly either way

The G5 has what 65 teams currently.
I have to wonder how many would be eliminated if a draft of 1 to 65 happened.

Say the AAC picked first then MWC followed bye the following three. Avoiding the instant hijacking rating them would cause.

Say the 15 to twenty usual FCS candidates are in the draft.

The MAC would not have 8 teams in two states.

UC-Davis would take one MWC spot .
JMU and Delaware would find spots along with Montana.

I know Idaho would not make the cut but they wouldn't be alone.

(07-21-2014 07:14 PM)MJG Wrote:  The G5 has what 65 teams currently.
I have to wonder how many would be eliminated if a draft of 1 to 65 happened.

Say the AAC picked first then MWC followed bye the following three. Avoiding the instant hijacking rating them would cause.

Say the 15 to twenty usual FCS candidates are in the draft.

The MAC would not have 8 teams in two states.

UC-Davis would take one MWC spot .
JMU and Delaware would find spots along with Montana.

I know Idaho would not make the cut but they wouldn't be alone.

UC davis averages what, 6K per game in football. not even top 4 in their conference. Without Montana and Montana State the Big SKy might not even be in the top 10 in FCS attendance

(07-21-2014 11:18 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 07:14 PM)MJG Wrote:  The G5 has what 65 teams currently.
I have to wonder how many would be eliminated if a draft of 1 to 65 happened.

Say the AAC picked first then MWC followed bye the following three. Avoiding the instant hijacking rating them would cause.

Say the 15 to twenty usual FCS candidates are in the draft.

The MAC would not have 8 teams in two states.

UC-Davis would take one MWC spot .
JMU and Delaware would find spots along with Montana.

I know Idaho would not make the cut but they wouldn't be alone.

UC davis averages what, 6K per game in football. not even top 4 in their conference. Without Montana and Montana State the Big SKy might not even be in the top 10 in FCS attendance

Part of that is FCS sucks anyway they would get drafted on potential. Georgia State and UTSA would get drafted ahead of some established long time programs. The schools in low population states wouldn't have a chance. Does not matter if Montana would be in the upper half of the MWC attendance. Going forward attendance is going to drop anyway. The video game generation will not sit in the cold or rain and watch a game.

(07-22-2014 03:07 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 11:18 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 07:14 PM)MJG Wrote:  The G5 has what 65 teams currently.
I have to wonder how many would be eliminated if a draft of 1 to 65 happened.

Say the AAC picked first then MWC followed bye the following three. Avoiding the instant hijacking rating them would cause.

Say the 15 to twenty usual FCS candidates are in the draft.

The MAC would not have 8 teams in two states.

UC-Davis would take one MWC spot .
JMU and Delaware would find spots along with Montana.

I know Idaho would not make the cut but they wouldn't be alone.

UC davis averages what, 6K per game in football. not even top 4 in their conference. Without Montana and Montana State the Big SKy might not even be in the top 10 in FCS attendance

Part of that is FCS sucks anyway they would get drafted on potential. Georgia State and UTSA would get drafted ahead of some established long time programs. The schools in low population states wouldn't have a chance. Does not matter if Montana would be in the upper half of the MWC attendance. Going forward attendance is going to drop anyway. The video game generation will not sit in the cold or rain and watch a game.

Not UC Davis. Way too many FBS schools all around them and the area would saturate. Fresno, San Jose, Cal, Nevada, Stanford. Becomes a recipe for mediocrity to keep adding in one general population area.

Attendance is dropping due to higher tickets costs and constant interruptions and commercials at games. It is becoming boring to sit in the stands and wait for the commercials to be over, and commercials on the jumbotron to finish before the cheerleaders can do anything. Made for TV and the need for revenue is what is lowering attendance for many

(07-21-2014 10:18 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 11:27 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 06:56 PM)Dman Wrote:  path is basically closed except for one spot

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. The P5 will allow FCS conferences that have at least 8 members to move up, but not individual school unless invited by a G5. Any new FCS to FBS conference won't participate in CFB payouts until 2026.

Did not realize this decision on a conference move-up was included in the new autonomy rules (it is not)

I don't think the P5 give a rats ass how many times the G5 want to split their pie but the pie won't get any bigger. Just smaller pieces for each conference. Besides if you have to wait 12 years to share in any FBS revenue then that is a killer right there for most FCS schools. I agree with Damon The path is pretty much closed unless the p5 expand somehow or we see some other significant change like a p5 breakaway.

In a nutshell, all that the FCS schools interested in moving up want is some pie. They aren't capable of making pie on their own, so they want the schools that are capable to share their pie with them.

The P5 don't need the G5 for pie, but they hope that sharing will make the public (and congress) feel better about them. I agree that the P5 has already shared all that they intend to, so unless the G5 wants to give up some of theirs, we're pretty much at an impasse.

There could be a new path, though. It's drastic. Eliminate the FCS. Then, stop funding the NCAA through the D-I basketball tournament. Fund it through dues, with D-I schools paying the most. Eliminate all automatic qualifiers to NCAA tournaments. Then, any school that is willing to sponsor 16 sports and pay the dues can join D-I.

My guess is you wouldn't get 150 schools who want that deal.

FCS is a disparate group. You would at very least have to create a seperate group for the non scholarship football playing schools and create a floor for scholarships for the remainder, let's say 65 or 70. I would think over the next few years, you would end up with a lot more schools offering non scholarship football but division 1 football would be healthier for it.

(07-22-2014 11:15 AM)billings Wrote:  

(07-22-2014 03:07 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 11:18 PM)billings Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 07:14 PM)MJG Wrote:  The G5 has what 65 teams currently.
I have to wonder how many would be eliminated if a draft of 1 to 65 happened.

Say the AAC picked first then MWC followed bye the following three. Avoiding the instant hijacking rating them would cause.

Say the 15 to twenty usual FCS candidates are in the draft.

The MAC would not have 8 teams in two states.

UC-Davis would take one MWC spot .
JMU and Delaware would find spots along with Montana.

I know Idaho would not make the cut but they wouldn't be alone.

UC davis averages what, 6K per game in football. not even top 4 in their conference. Without Montana and Montana State the Big SKy might not even be in the top 10 in FCS attendance

Part of that is FCS sucks anyway they would get drafted on potential. Georgia State and UTSA would get drafted ahead of some established long time programs. The schools in low population states wouldn't have a chance. Does not matter if Montana would be in the upper half of the MWC attendance. Going forward attendance is going to drop anyway. The video game generation will not sit in the cold or rain and watch a game.

Not UC Davis. Way too many FBS schools all around them and the area would saturate. Fresno, San Jose, Cal, Nevada, Stanford. Becomes a recipe for mediocrity to keep adding in one general population area.

Attendance is dropping due to higher tickets costs and constant interruptions and commercials at games. It is becoming boring to sit in the stands and wait for the commercials to be over, and commercials on the jumbotron to finish before the cheerleaders can do anything. Made for TV and the need for revenue is what is lowering attendance for many

There is not any FBS teams in the immediate Sacramento area. The only people who might go to those teams other stadiums outside Sacramento metro are alumni of those schools. UCDavis is 72% funded to build out to 30,000. FCS will be sucessful in Sacramento as it is in Fresno. UCDavis drew better in its DII era because it won. UCDavis and Sac St may much higher chance of success than Ga St, for instance, where there is FBS football available in Metro Atlanta.

(07-21-2014 07:14 PM)MJG Wrote:  The MAC would not have 8 teams in two states.

The MAC would only fall short of 7 teams in two states if someone else took some of those 7 teams first.

But lots of conferences have schools that are there because its easier to get married than to get divorced when it comes to FBS conferences.