i think SMU could get a pretty good basketball rivalry going with UConn if they can ever figure out how to beat us.

(07-16-2014 05:47 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Yep. I'd say 4-1 is a dominated series thus far. You can present numbers any which way to skew the argument but the fact is that UCF has won 80% of the games it has played against Houston. That's rarely UCF "coming out on top more often of late." That's UCF coming out on top every time except for one game 8 years ago.

USF has dominated the series against UCF 4-1 as well. No one from UCF is claiming the series was evenly matched because the majority of the games were decided by a touchdown or less. It's the win that matters.

The arrogance is strong with this one.....

You are clearly up in the win column but no unbiased fan would say we were ever dominated by you. The box scores reflect that fact.

What you have been is more fortunate. On that there is no argument, and yes the wins are all that matter. I just dispute the false claim that you have ever dominated us.

(07-16-2014 06:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's probably best to say UCF has controlled the series. Dominate could also work but it implies Houston hasn't been competitive at all.

That I would agree with. At 4-1 they clearly have "the edge" (another true statement).

People who claim they have dominated anyone or anything better come up with more than one category (regardless of the fact that wins are all that matter on which we agree).

(07-16-2014 06:52 PM)gostangs Wrote:  i think SMU could get a pretty good basketball rivalry going with UConn if they can ever figure out how to beat us.

UConn was just resting during those games against SMU to save up enough strength for our National Championship run!


If SMU had worked harder on trying to figure out how to beat Houston, you may have had a crack at winning that championship yourselves! Either way, UConn's trophy case thanks you as SMU's absence made it that much easier for us to dominate our way through the field and win our 4th national title.

(07-16-2014 12:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 12:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 12:16 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The one thing UC, UConn, and USF have among themselves is the reality of being the last three "Big East holdovers." Temple, to a lesser extent, can also be included in this group. (I say lesser extent only because Temple was a mutual member of these three schools for a relatively short time and then only in FB, whereas UC, USF, and UConn played together in all sports for 8 years under the BE banner and then watched as all the other schools departed...) That has created some "esprit de corps" among the three (four) schools. That doesn't automatically translate into "Rivalry," but a key part of a "Rivalry" is a shared and mutual history and some feeling of equality.

I think this what people miss the most in trying to formulate rivalries... In order for a true rivalry to develop, there has to be a real sense of "equality" to be there. And this includes...BUT IS NOT MERELY...competition on the field. Schools and fanbases have to be able to see in the other school and fanbases a real sense of "the shadow" (the "anima" to borrow a term from CG Jung), that side of themselves that they don't like. When you look at an opponent and merely see something totally different, you just kind of shrug. UC and Louisville, in some respects, did not merely have a shared conference history, but each school saw mirrored in the other their own ambitions, history, and fears. That is the making of a rivalry. Hell yes, UC fans are jealous of Louisville, because we see in UL what WE WANT and what we COULD BE. So when UC plays UL, it is more than two schools who are familiar with each other...you are facing off against your dark side.

So, part and parcel of examining potential rivalries in the American is looking at schools and fanbases that have enough similarity that they can see, in the other, a dark reflection of themselves. For UC, I can see this developing with:
-Temple (two urban schools living in pro-cities and in the shadow of "State" Universities: PSU/OSU)
-UConn ("Basketball First" schools, both in the "north," both spurned by other conferences)
and MAYBE:
-Houston
-Memphis

I don't doubt ECU and UCF will be good playing partners. I just don't know that there is enough shared context to make these "rivalry" games.

Isn't Cincy 21-1 all-time against Houston in basketball? That's more like Yankees-Red Sox in it's heyday or Utah-Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament than a rivalry (i.e. Cincy is a major nemesis).

Didn't you read my (admittedly) long post? Here's what I would say could work to make UC-Houston a rivalry:
-Both are urban, public universities
-Both have had to combat the realities of being in "Pro" markets
-Both have a common experience of conferences falling apart
-There is "some" shared conference history

What will work against UC-UH being a rivalry:
-One is "north" one is "south"
-UH has it's own little world in Texas, UC has it's own little world in Ohio (recruiting, other rivalries, politics, etc...)
-While UH is a fine school, I don't think it is a major player in the same fields that UC is or is in the same type of academic ventures that UC is.
Which just means that when UC (speaking from a UC fan POV) looks at UH, we don't see a strong reflection. Now it ***might*** develop, but right now, while the UC-UH games might be enjoyable and competitive (or not...), we just don't see the qualities that make us connect with UH.

The short answer is we think we are better than you


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(07-16-2014 01:50 PM)HURRICANEWARNING Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:06 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Rivalry:

UCF vs South Florida

Interesting match-ups that get message board fans excited:

UCF vs East Carolina
- 4 East titles for UCF and 2 each for Southern Miss and ECU so it wasn't much of a rivalry although the two times ECU won the East they also won league titles.

UCF vs Tulsa
- Both UCF and Tulsa led C-USA with the most division titles and championship game appearances. Also met in the championship game 3 times ('05, '07, '12).

UCF vs Houston
- Always a nerve wracking game for me although UCF has dominated the series as of late.

In which, Tulsa won the '05 & '12 championships which was the first chamionship game of the CUSA 2.0 and the last Chapionship of the 2.0 era of CUSA. I agree, UCF and Tulsa is a good rival game BTW. I think Houston, SMU& Rice have been biggest rivals for Tulsa in conference, then UCF & ECU. But by far the biggest are OU, OSU and Arky.

I wouldn't really call OU our rivals. Just a game we want to win bad and they at least give us the chances to do it. OSU are whiny pieces of not very good smelling lumps in the grass. I would consider them rivals but honestly afraid to have them step onto our campus. Might leave mullets, empty Natty Lite, and cutoff flannel shirts. Arky is definitely a nice one that used to be a great rival and hope to become another. We just don't play them enough for it to really take off anymore. Arky would be a step up in class than playing OSU. Not quite as many mullets to worry about.