(07-16-2014 09:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys should actually love this. It makes it really easy for you to keep spouting your complete bull****.

Most.
Transparent.
Administration.
Ever.

I see right through them. So do you. Perhaps this is more accurate than we think.

Don't worry BIE, I won't vote for Obama in 2016.

(07-16-2014 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 11:32 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 11:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 11:13 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 11:04 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But it is still odd that computers never ever crashed or lost any information prior to January 20, 2009.

You do not have the technical expertise to understand how small the odds of these convenient unrecoverable hard drive failures are tom. Winning the lottery on the same day you're hit by lighting is in the same neighborhood..

If this were Bush you would be crying Bloody murder, and rightfully so.

And you don't have the common sense to know that Issa is using you to play his fool.

He's been at this for years now and has done nothing but embarrass himself at every turn.

Right he is looking into nothing and *thats* why executive agencies are scrambling drives and destroying data..

And there you go again...spouting off **** that you have no proof of. Keep toting Issa's water BIE, keep toting it. But it's nice that you can use stuff that doesn't exist as evidence isn't it. That's what every good conspiracy needs!

Conspiracy? As in conspiracy to conceal evidence or the destruction of evidence?

So, that partisan hack Lerner (coincidentally zerO's political appointee, one of only 2 I think) at the IRS has pled the fifth. The attorney appointed to "investigate" the entire IRS mess is a maxed out DNC and zerO campaign donor and hails from the Civil Rights wing of the DOJ. Another coincidence? Amazing.

Further this person, now, coincidentally another lawyer, acknowledges she broke the Hatch Act at the very least, and funny, her hard drive has failed and was "recycled" as well. No e-mails to be found to or from her either.

All coincidental, am I hearing that right?

Tote that barge, lift that bale!

(07-16-2014 01:07 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So, that partisan hack Lerner (coincidentally zerO's political appointee, one of only 2 I think) at the IRS has pled the fifth.

Lois G. Lerner Selected As Director of IRS Tax Exempt Organizations Division

Quote:IR-2005-148, Dec. 22, 2005
WASHINGTON — Lois G. Lerner has been selected as the director of the Exempt Organizations Division of the Internal Revenue Service. In this position, she will be responsible for administering and enforcing the tax laws that apply to more than 1.8 million organizations recognized by the IRS as exempt from tax.

Tote Issa's barge, lift his bale!

The courts should issue an order confiscating all IRS computers,
and any associated agencies. They do not need computers to
check our taxes. Let them work for a living. Just so I get my
$10,000,000 refund I will be OK with it.

With this latest "crash", what are the odds of it having happened now?

I wish I could take those same odds to Vegas with a mere $100 bankroll. I would of probably bankrupted the entire Strip by now. Seems plausible, eh?

In trying to read into this a little further, it looks like this was not a hard drive crash, but just the FEC recycling her drive after she left the agency in late April. No clue whether that's standard procedure, but it's not at all different than what happens at my company when someone quits or gets fired. The drive gets scrubbed, reformatted and reused as long as it's not out of date. In that case, I think we just trash or donate them.

There is NO evidence that Lerner ever communicated with her. There's only evidence that Lerner did communicate with some former colleagues of hers at the FEC, not Sands specifically. Yes, Sands was an idiot and deserved what she got, but that's hardly any reason to perform the huge leap necessary to tie her misdeeds to Lerner and the IRS. Too huge even for Mr. Viper!

So again, follow Issa at your own peril. He doesn't exactly have a history of being forthright in his investigations. Much less produced squat for all the money he's spent.

(07-16-2014 01:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:07 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So, that partisan hack Lerner (coincidentally zerO's political appointee, one of only 2 I think) at the IRS has pled the fifth.

Lois G. Lerner Selected As Director of IRS Tax Exempt Organizations Division

Quote:IR-2005-148, Dec. 22, 2005
WASHINGTON — Lois G. Lerner has been selected as the director of the Exempt Organizations Division of the Internal Revenue Service. In this position, she will be responsible for administering and enforcing the tax laws that apply to more than 1.8 million organizations recognized by the IRS as exempt from tax.

Tote Issa's barge, lift his bale!

So what does this prove or disprove or even relate to?

This is all sheer coincidence? Is that what you're telling us?

(07-16-2014 04:09 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:07 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So, that partisan hack Lerner (coincidentally zerO's political appointee, one of only 2 I think) at the IRS has pled the fifth.

Lois G. Lerner Selected As Director of IRS Tax Exempt Organizations Division

Quote:IR-2005-148, Dec. 22, 2005
WASHINGTON — Lois G. Lerner has been selected as the director of the Exempt Organizations Division of the Internal Revenue Service. In this position, she will be responsible for administering and enforcing the tax laws that apply to more than 1.8 million organizations recognized by the IRS as exempt from tax.

Tote Issa's barge, lift his bale!

So what does this prove or disprove or even relate to?

This is all sheer coincidence? Is that what you're telling us?

It proves that you were wrong. I guess you don't care to be right?

She was not appointed by Obama.

So we can discount everything else you claimed in your post? Fine by me!

(07-16-2014 04:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 04:09 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:07 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So, that partisan hack Lerner (coincidentally zerO's political appointee, one of only 2 I think) at the IRS has pled the fifth.

Lois G. Lerner Selected As Director of IRS Tax Exempt Organizations Division

Quote:IR-2005-148, Dec. 22, 2005
WASHINGTON — Lois G. Lerner has been selected as the director of the Exempt Organizations Division of the Internal Revenue Service. In this position, she will be responsible for administering and enforcing the tax laws that apply to more than 1.8 million organizations recognized by the IRS as exempt from tax.

Tote Issa's barge, lift his bale!

So what does this prove or disprove or even relate to?

This is all sheer coincidence? Is that what you're telling us?

It proves that you were wrong. I guess you don't care to be right?

She was not appointed by Obama.

So we can discount everything else you claimed in your post? Fine by me!

Selected or appointed, is there really a difference?

My understanding was this hyper partisan hack was hand picked by zerO (or perhaps his staff, what difference at this point does it make?) for this position. That could be incorrect, I said "I think", does that change the fact she has pled the 5th? That this other ES cheerleader, another lawyer knowingly breaking the law, has acknowledged what she's done is illegal, yet amazingly, any evidence of how, what to whim she communicated has been lost.

Sheer coincidence yet again, right?

She was made director of the EO Division in 2005. Other than not replacing here, Obama had nothing to do with it. Period.

At this point it would take a complicit judiciary to maintain the fraud that this Administration's IRS division has conspired. Destroying evidence is not something the courts take lightly. In simular cases where evidence is destroyed, the plaintiff gets his allegations, deemed admitted. Then the defendant cannot try to dispute the facts deemed admitted without providing the destroyed evidence. The rules are very strict when you are legally bound to protect those records.

(07-16-2014 02:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  In trying to read into this a little further, it looks like this was not a hard drive crash, but just the FEC recycling her drive after she left the agency in late April. No clue whether that's standard procedure, but it's not at all different than what happens at my company when someone quits or gets fired. The drive gets scrubbed, reformatted and reused as long as it's not out of date. In that case, I think we just trash or donate them.

That is precisely what the OP, BIE and I all said, and you called it 'spouting off s*it with no proof"... It seems you now understand that while there may or may not be a conspiracy, it was actually YOU and the people you get your information from who were spouting off without proof.

I can guarantee that your company preserves the data on your computer... especially emails. In MOST industries, it is a requirement (by the government). THAT is what makes this so bad. Recycling drives is not the issue, but the apparent lack of back-up. I am amazed at all of the tapping and taping and recording of private individuals and foreign governments that we do , while apparently having some of the weakest systems integrity I've ever heard of.

I don't know if there is a conspiracy or not... but I certainly know that our government seems to have a pretty severe issue with poor data integrity and oversight.... and having lived through Watergate, I can't believe it is unintentional.

(07-16-2014 04:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  She was made director of the EO Division in 2005. Other than not replacing here, Obama had nothing to do with it. Period.

Ah, gotcha. I missed the date on the announcement. So okay that part isn't correct, I was pretty sure I[d heard that somewhere, maybe it was someone else.

So yea, and ummmm, big deal(?).

(07-16-2014 01:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-16-2014 01:07 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So, that partisan hack Lerner (coincidentally zerO's political appointee, one of only 2 I think) at the IRS has pled the fifth.

Lois G. Lerner Selected As Director of IRS Tax Exempt Organizations Division

Quote:IR-2005-148, Dec. 22, 2005
WASHINGTON — Lois G. Lerner has been selected as the director of the Exempt Organizations Division of the Internal Revenue Service. In this position, she will be responsible for administering and enforcing the tax laws that apply to more than 1.8 million organizations recognized by the IRS as exempt from tax.

Tote Issa's barge, lift his bale!

Story:

You hear a gun shot and then a scream. You see a guy with a gun running from the scene along with someone on the ground who has been shot. There's no proof that the guy running away with the gun shot anyone. So do you give the cops a description so they'll investigate the guy or do you simply say there's no proof in your mind the man is guilty and walk away?

Tom, I know you'll probably have a picture of Obama in your coffin when you're buried, but even a die hard like you has to see there is just too much corruption in this administration to deny that it's happening and I'm willing to bet that the White House knows quite a bit about it. I'm also willing to bet that Obama knows something and if he doesn't it's because when he asks about it his aides tell him he doesn't want to know.