Study this, then let's discuss.

Link to twitter Pic.

Link to USA Today article.
(The whole thing is 122 pages long. I haven't read it yet and may not ever read it).

There are 80 votes (65 schools + 15 student representatives)
If you only have 3 of the P5 wanting something, you need 60% of the votes.
60% of 80 = 48 votes.
The ACC schools + 3 ACC students = 18 votes. We start out only needing 30 more votes to pass a rule.
* B1G (14) + Pac-12 (12) + 6 students = 32 votes
* SEC (14) + Big XII (10) + 6 students = 30 votes
* SEC (14) + Big Ten (14) + 6 students = 34 votes

So if the ACC aligns with either the B1G/Pac or the SEC/B12 you have enough votes to pass a rule, and if the ACC, SEC and B1G all agree on something, they could have up to 4 dissenters and it would still pass...

By contrast, if the ACC is NOT involved in a coalition, the best you can get from 3 conferences is:
SEC (14) + B1G (14) + Pac-12 (12) + 9 students = 49 votes.
In other words, just 2 dissenting students could block that coalition.

Furthermore, a coalition which leaves out the ACC and either the SEC or Big Ten would have a hard time passing anything, as it would only have 45 votes (students included).

My question... The 3 of 5 and 4 of 5 conference things? How are they figured? By a majority of members per conference or by pure numbers across all conferences?

(07-18-2014 02:45 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  My question... The 3 of 5 and 4 of 5 conference things? How are they figured? By a majority of members per conference or by pure numbers across all conferences?

It's probably covered in that 122-page document. Why don't you read it and report back to the rest of us?

Another way to look at this - if the ACC and SEC vote together, they can veto pretty much anything.

More likely that voting bloc (block) will be longtime partners the B1G and the P12.

(07-18-2014 08:33 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  More likely that voting bloc (block) will be longtime partners the B1G and the P12.

True, but that's not enough votes to stop the ACC+SEC+BigXII.

If it takes 48 votes to pass something, then it takes 80-48+1 = 33 votes to block.
B1G (14) + Pac-12 (12) + 6 students = 32 votes (1 vote short of veto power).

On the other hand, ACC (15) + SEC (14) + 6 students = 35 votes (more than enough).
In fact, ACC + B1G or ACC + Pac-12 are also enough to veto.

What serious disagreements are these conferences likely to have? They're far more alike than they are different. The disagreements are between the power conferences and the other conferences.

(07-18-2014 09:08 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  What serious disagreements are these conferences likely to have? They're far more alike than they are different. The disagreements are between the power conferences and the other conferences.

I'd say there are more likely to be differences within any given conference than there are between conferences. Why assume that Duke or Wake Forest will always vote with FSU and Clemson?

If a majority of the members of any one P5 conference favor a proposal, does that mean the conference supports it for purposes of meeting the 3/5 or 4/5 test?

(07-18-2014 09:08 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  What serious disagreements are these conferences likely to have? They're far more alike than they are different. The disagreements are between the power conferences and the other conferences.

Example: for the playoffs, the SEC would like no limit on the number of teams per conference and NO guaranteed spots for conference champs, since that takes away potential at-large spots (they got exactly what they wanted this round, too). On the other hand, the Big Ten and possibly the ACC also would benefit from an 8-team playoff where the P5 champs are all guaranteed a spot - even if there are fewer at-large spots. Realistically, the ACC never expects to get more than 2 or 3 teams into the playoffs in a given year, anyway.

Not sure if this would be within the realm of something the P5's could vote on, but just an example of what they MIGHT want to change down the road.