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Alternative history: American Civil war
Stonewall Jackson survives Chancellorsville

How does the war play out differently?
07-14-2014 08:24 PM
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RE: Alternative history: American Civil war
(07-14-2014 08:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Stonewall Jackson survives Chancellorsville

How does the war play out differently?

Survives by recovering or he's never hit at Chancellorsville?

If he's out of action recovering during Gettysburg then there's a book on that that I think is pretty accurate on what would happen for Stonewall later:

Stonewall Goes West

If he's still leading his Corp of the ANV on July 2nd, 1863 then he takes Culp's Hill on the first day and the AoP might lose a Corp or two before Meade pulls everyone back to stay in the way of Lee pressing in on Washington and Lee enjoys a nice stay in Harrisburg, PA before deciding what next to do.
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RE: Alternative history: American Civil war
Just comparing him to his replacement, Richard S. Ewell, with same orders for simplicity's sake:

- probably would have led as well or better at the Second Battle of Winchester
-- as a result, may have captured Harrisburg before Lee would have brought him to bear on Gettysburg (possibly farther-reaching implications for Northern troop movements around that time)

-may have captured the Culp's Hill and/or Cemetery Hill positions at the Battle of Gettysburg
-- as a result, Union forces possibly defeated and in retreat
*beginning of the end for the Union?

If Gettysburg had been lost anyway, it would be a moot point except for the body count. Probably more Union losses in any of the Confederate retreat battles involving Stonewall.

>>49R makes valid points as well.
07-14-2014 09:46 PM
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RE: Alternative history: American Civil war
(07-14-2014 08:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Stonewall Jackson survives Chancellorsville

How does the war play out differently?
Or on the reverse side, what if General Joseph Hooker leads the Army of the Potomac to victory at Chancellorsville? Does the war end there?
07-15-2014 08:18 AM
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RE: Alternative history: American Civil war
(07-14-2014 08:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Stonewall Jackson survives Chancellorsville

How does the war play out differently?

Jackson is able to keep Lee on task and doesn't get lured into the Battle of Gettysburg in the first place. And bit, I find your proposed butterfly just as interesting.
07-15-2014 12:23 PM
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RE: Alternative history: American Civil war
War lasts 6 more months...
07-15-2014 01:49 PM
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RE: Alternative history: American Civil war
I like this game.

What if that minie ball had been three inches to the left or right and it hadn't killed Johnston on April 6, '62? My version is he keeps the pressure on his left flank and drives Grant and his whole army into the swamps, away from the river and the gunboats, that night.
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RE: Alternative history: American Civil war
I see it's all about the southern end on this conversation, since nobody wants to discuss the possible result of General Hooker winning the battle of Chancellorsville.
07-15-2014 02:02 PM
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RE: Alternative history: American Civil war
The war was decided by logistics. Like most wars are. The north's industrial might was always going to outperform the south's by a wide margin and sooner or later that was always going to win the war.

You want to talk about things that would have changed the outcome? Maybe if Birmingham had gotten started 60 years sooner
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(07-15-2014 04:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The war was decided by logistics. Like most wars are. The north's industrial might was always going to outperform the south's by a wide margin and sooner or later that was always going to win the war.

You want to talk about things that would have changed the outcome? Maybe if Birmingham had gotten started 60 years sooner

This is 100% true based on the altered way of looking at the situation after the war.

Going in nobody, in Europe, thought the North had a real chance to prevent the breakaway.
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