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RE: Alternative history: American Civil war
(08-15-2015 04:48 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I would argue that Gettysburg was a tie.

Meade didn't put up a counter attack once The ANV came off of the field.

Again he gave the Union what it needed (not a loss) plus he won a victory that the then present (including the South) and history has recognized as a victory. A counter attack was not prudent nor necessary. Gettysburg may not have been the end of the Civil War, but it was a big part and was the first step to the end of the ANV.
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Imagine if George McClellan hadn't been so conservative, when the Union Army stood outside Richmond. The Rebels had tree trunks disguised as cannons, and McClellan was so conservative that he ignored President Lincoln's order to attack. McClellan had a lot of political backers, and had planned to run for President in the next election. So he felt he could safely ignore the President's instructions.

Of course, he got replaced by U.S. Grant shortly after McClellan's refusal to commence a battle to take the Rebel's Capital City, Richmond, which would have ended the Civil War almost before it was started. So it worked out in the end. But imagine if McClellan had been a competent military leader.
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(08-16-2015 09:11 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Imagine if George McClellan hadn't been so conservative, when the Union Army stood outside Richmond. The Rebels had tree trunks disguised as cannons, and McClellan was so conservative that he ignored President Lincoln's order to attack. McClellan had a lot of political backers, and had planned to run for President in the next election. So he felt he could safely ignore the President's instructions.

Of course, he got replaced by U.S. Grant shortly after McClellan's refusal to commence a battle to take the Rebel's Capital City, Richmond, which would have ended the Civil War almost before it was started. So it worked out in the end. But imagine if McClellan had been a competent military leader.

There were several other generals between McClellan and Grant, but you are right. If McClellan had been less conservative and less arrogant the war could have been over much earlier.
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Alternative history: American Civil war
What if Jackson and the ANV would have trotted into DC right after First
Manassas? It was there for the taking.
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(08-19-2015 08:22 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  What if Jackson and the ANV would have trotted into DC right after First
Manassas? It was there for the taking.

Might have got Maryland to flip over to the Confederacy.
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(08-19-2015 09:10 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(08-19-2015 08:22 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  What if Jackson and the ANV would have trotted into DC right after First
Manassas? It was there for the taking.
Might have got Maryland to flip over to the Confederacy.
The first few months of the Civil War were very iffy.
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(08-20-2015 10:14 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(08-19-2015 09:10 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(08-19-2015 08:22 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  What if Jackson and the ANV would have trotted into DC right after First
Manassas? It was there for the taking.
Might have got Maryland to flip over to the Confederacy.
The first few months of the Civil War were very iffy.

Both sides started the war with short enlistments, right? Seems like they weren't exactly sure what to expect, but they thought it would be on the short side.
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Short sighted government outlooks on war? Perish the thought.
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(08-15-2015 04:48 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I would argue that Gettysburg was a tie.

Meade didn't put up a counter attack once The ANV came off of the field.

Lee lost 1/3 of his army and retreated. It was a Union victory.
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I'd disagree and so would others. Tha ANV waited for an attack from the Union Army and it never came. They withdrew from the files of battle and left the following day without being pursued. I'd call that a draw
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