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(07-15-2014 02:02 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I see it's all about the southern end on this conversation, since nobody wants to discuss the possible result of General Hooker winning the battle of Chancellorsville.

I'll give it a go Bit, since I think the key factor is the the total losses the North is able to inflict on the South. I don't see the south suing for peace but if Hooker goes all in with his forces and increases the casualty count north of 25K, I think this prevents General Lee from even considering attacking Gettysburg. What's you're opinion?
07-16-2014 07:24 AM
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I think the war is over at that point. Lee was a smart enough general to understand the futility of continuing the fight from that point. He would have had to surrender to keep from getting all his men killed in a fight he couldn't win.
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(07-16-2014 01:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I think the war is over at that point. Lee was a smart enough general to understand the futility of continuing the fight from that point. He would have had to surrender to keep from getting all his men killed in a fight he couldn't win.

I figured Lee would retreat once he found the battle untenable. Unless hooker surrounds him, the CSA just slips out the back door and retreats to Richmond to defend the capitol.
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(07-17-2014 08:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 01:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I think the war is over at that point. Lee was a smart enough general to understand the futility of continuing the fight from that point. He would have had to surrender to keep from getting all his men killed in a fight he couldn't win.
I figured Lee would retreat once he found the battle untenable. Unless hooker surrounds him, the CSA just slips out the back door and retreats to Richmond to defend the capitol.
Possibly. But the south's position is much more tenuous from that point, if the outcome of the battle of Chancellorsville comes out in favor of the Union. Lee's forces are in retreat, and being forced into Richmond concentrates their forces where they are unable to use their best strategy, which was guerrilla warfare.
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(07-17-2014 09:15 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(07-17-2014 08:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 01:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I think the war is over at that point. Lee was a smart enough general to understand the futility of continuing the fight from that point. He would have had to surrender to keep from getting all his men killed in a fight he couldn't win.
I figured Lee would retreat once he found the battle untenable. Unless hooker surrounds him, the CSA just slips out the back door and retreats to Richmond to defend the capitol.
Possibly. But the south's position is much more tenuous from that point, if the outcome of the battle of Chancellorsville comes out in favor of the Union. Lee's forces are in retreat, and being forced into Richmond concentrates their forces where they are unable to use their best strategy, which was guerrilla warfare.

Lee didn't use guerrilla tactics. At best he used an early form of Blitzkrieg tactics.
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(07-17-2014 10:57 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(07-17-2014 09:15 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(07-17-2014 08:17 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(07-16-2014 01:55 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I think the war is over at that point. Lee was a smart enough general to understand the futility of continuing the fight from that point. He would have had to surrender to keep from getting all his men killed in a fight he couldn't win.
I figured Lee would retreat once he found the battle untenable. Unless hooker surrounds him, the CSA just slips out the back door and retreats to Richmond to defend the capitol.
Possibly. But the south's position is much more tenuous from that point, if the outcome of the battle of Chancellorsville comes out in favor of the Union. Lee's forces are in retreat, and being forced into Richmond concentrates their forces where they are unable to use their best strategy, which was guerrilla warfare.
Lee didn't use guerrilla tactics. At best he used an early form of Blitzkrieg tactics.
Whatever the case, being bottled up in Richmond would have severely limited his option.
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Like 49er said, lee was against and never entertained a guerrilla war plan.


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(07-17-2014 09:28 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Like 49er said, lee was against and never entertained a guerrilla war plan.


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Yep, that was a major part of his reasoning for surrendering at Appomatox. He didn't want to continue fighting if it meant fighting a guerrilla war.
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What if Bragg and Smith were able to win the battle at Perryville and the confederates were able to stay in Kentucky longer building support there.
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What if, as was said to be planned, the Confederacy retreated en-mas to South America and the Caribbean and set up a new governments in Brazil or Cuba? Combined with the potential for a Nazi retreat into after WWII into Argentina and and Chile, there arises the probable National-Socialist Confederate States of South America!

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