(07-14-2014 03:39 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 03:25 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 03:20 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Mundiay should just do the Daunte Exum thing and sit out this year. He doesn't do anything for his draft stock really except hurt it going to pro leagues with 30 year old men that play a different style on top of that. If he's overrated they will expose him and cost him a lot of money. He's already a projected 1-3 draft pick and I think he could do far more damage than good he could pick up plus a few hundred grand and whatever improvements he might make. I'd rest on my body of work here and in the McDonalds AA game as my lasting image. It's actually the perfect excuse.

Has to take care of his mom. Needs the money now.

That's the spin. The reality is different. It's right before the season, he only has a few months to go before he signs with an agent in March. Something happened, and the NCAA started pressing.

Just because a recruit ends up not enrolling at the school does not absolve the school from any improper behavior. I know. I've seen it 1st hand. Of the 11 recruits named in UCF's NCAA case as being involved in improper contact/benefits, only one actually enrolled at UCF, yet UCF got slammed. If what you allege here is true, the NCAA isn't going to back away because the recruit went elsewhere.

(07-14-2014 06:01 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  All of a sudden Mudiay isn't that important to SMU?

Shall I go back and dig up all the threads about him being a top 5 recruit who was going to be the difference maker for the Mustangs? Please, you can't have it both ways.

I suppose the folks who already had Mudiay penciled in as the NCAA Tournament MVP and the No. 1 pick in the 2015 draft have some backpedaling to do.

But a good college basketball program is more than one player. SMU still has a bunch of talented players who are and will be well-coached.

(07-14-2014 07:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I suppose the folks who already had Mudiay penciled in as the NCAA Tournament MVP and the No. 1 pick in the 2015 draft have some backpedaling to do.

Ummm... Not really. He wasn't a bust. He just decided to forgo college.

(07-14-2014 06:01 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  All of a sudden Mudiay isn't that important to SMU?

Shall I go back and dig up all the threads about him being a top 5 recruit who was going to be the difference maker for the Mustangs? Please, you can't have it both ways.

LMAO! And I suppose SMU stopped recruiting in the meantime??? They just picked up a stud from Virginia Tech!!! What about Tolbert from TTU, who signed after Mudiay... Sure, he was going to be a difference maker.. but they keep bringing in difference makers.

@JonRothstein: BREAKING ---- Virginia Tech transfer Ben Emelogu told @CBSSports he has committed to SMU. Story coming.

@GoodmanESPN: Ben Emelogu told ESPN he will transfer to SMU.

@GoodmanESPN: Virginia Tech's Ben Emelogu told ESPN he will transfer to SMU. Averaged 10 points last season as a freshman.

@jeffborzello: Virginia Tech transfer Ben Emelogu says in a text message that he's heading to SMU.

Emelogu was named VT team caption as a true freshman - averaged 10.5 pts, 3 rebounds and shot 37% from behind the arc as a freshman. He has 3 years to play at SMU.

But Emelogu isn't going to do anything to replace Mudiay because he has to sit out this season and won't be eligible for another year.

I don't know if Tolbert is a stud, but he only has one year left. They're trying to get him eligible immediately, but the way the NCAA takes forever to process paper work in these cases, half the season could be gone before they have a decision he sounds like a roll player, not someone they're going to build the program around when he's only got one year.

(07-14-2014 08:05 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  But Emelogu isn't going to do anything to replace Mudiay because he has to sit out this season and won't be eligible for another year.

I don't know if Tolbert is a stud, but he only has one year left. They're trying to get him eligible immediately, but the way the NCAA takes forever to process paper work in these cases, half the season could be gone before they have a decision he sounds like a roll player, not someone they're going to build the program around when he's only got one year.

Bill Marsh (aka Melky Cabrera)

I understand that you hate the AAC. Your sole purpose on these sites is to cheer for Providence because your daughters went there.
You talk about SMU, Houston, Tulsa, etc, as if they never hired Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, and Frank Haith..
We get it. Your britches were burned when the NBE went out after the first week and an AAC team won the National Championship.
Get used to it. No NBE has won the National Championship since the Phi Slama Jama era. So, if you're going to bag on Houston, than bag on that conference you love so much as well. With your title history and FS1 contract, the Big East isn't as relevant as the AAC.
No matter how many basketball players your daughters spend time with on recruiting visits. I know Joe Young has a good time when he was there.

(07-14-2014 08:05 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  But Emelogu isn't going to do anything to replace Mudiay because he has to sit out this season and won't be eligible for another year.

I don't know if Tolbert is a stud, but he only has one year left. They're trying to get him eligible immediately, but the way the NCAA takes forever to process paper work in these cases, half the season could be gone before they have a decision he sounds like a roll player, not someone they're going to build the program around when he's only got one year.

most people considered mudiay the X-factor that could lead them to a championship..but like in the other thread about projections (before he left), i said even without mudaiy or the transfes theyd still be top 3.. returning just about everyone from a top 25 team returning. to then add, who the majority were considering the #1 pick and the second best players from 2 decent teams. they looked stoppable.

losing mudiay doesn't change the fact they return most of last years players (who beat uconn twice) and with today addition and almost 40 points per game with the 3 transfers they added who all played in good bballl leagues..
on paper will still be top 2 in the league potentially #1, losing mudiay definitely knocked them a peck but their goals are still easily in reach and in that respect nothing has changed

“@franfraschilla: Congrats to Ben Emegolu who's transferring back to SMU from Va.Tech. A huge coup for @LarryBrownSMU. Sitting out turns him into big timer!”

(07-14-2014 06:25 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 12:47 PM)huskiesnyc Wrote:  It's official. I feel really bad for the SMU fans here. On the flip side you are loading up on other really talented players, so you will be fine. This does make UConn the clear favorite in the AAC title race next year tho.

Evan Daniels ‏@EvanDaniels 1m
Sources: Emmanuel Mudiay to bypass college & pursue professional career: http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1420968.html

Kind of blows a hole in the O'Bannon plaintiffs' case that the only way to the pros is through the NCAA. Seems like there's another market out there, doesn't it?

completely disagree, saying sending teenagers to foreign countries like china is the only other way might actually make more of a case for obannon

and secondly it doesnt change anything yet, going in does nothing, it is how he looks coming out. if mudiay goes to china (projected the lowest a top 3 NBA pick) and ends up a second round-to undrafted player..obannons case will be made even stronger

SMU isn't out for the count. We haven't seen any of these freshmen play college-level competition yet.

And anyone saying we don't have national title contenders is dead wrong. Did UConn all of a sudden disappear? They are the defending national champs. So we have at least one team that contends.

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Great article by Gary Parrish on this, in which he calls out the "taking care of momma" bullcrap. My favorite part of the story:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...uel-mudiay

..."And, according to Mudiay, this decision has nothing to do with amateurism issues?

With all due respect, I'm not buying it.

And neither should you.

Because, according to multiple sources, the truth is that there were growing concerns, real or imagined, that the projected lottery pick might have a difficult time getting through the NCAA Eligibility Center. In other words, there was a very real possibility that Mudiay would become the next Josh Selby or Shabazz Muhammed, i.e., an elite recruit found guilty of taking improper benefits to the point where a suspension would be possible, if not likely."

"To be clear, I don't doubt that Mudiay wants to take care of his mother, and I'm confident that, yes, this move will allow him to do that in some way. All I'm saying is that, despite all of that, he'd be at SMU overwhelming American Athletic Conference guards and leading the Mustangs to the NCAA Tournament if not for eligibility concerns. Now, who knows?

Mudiay will certainly play somewhere.

He'll be paid well -- possibly by a team and Under Armour.

Now, that program-changing recruit will never play college basketball, and that's too bad for all involved ... except for the agent who will get a cut of a contract signed a year earlier than expected."

At least you didn't have a player leave right before the season started...


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(07-15-2014 09:17 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  "To be clear, I don't doubt that Mudiay wants to take care of his mother, and I'm confident that, yes, this move will allow him to do that in some way. All I'm saying is that, despite all of that, he'd be at SMU overwhelming American Athletic Conference guards and leading the Mustangs to the NCAA Tournament if not for eligibility concerns. Now, who knows?

Mudiay will certainly play somewhere.

He'll be paid well -- possibly by a team and Under Armour.

Now, that program-changing recruit will never play college basketball, and that's too bad for all involved ... except for the agent who will get a cut of a contract signed a year earlier than expected."

Do you think that we will ever find out what he was "guilty" of taking?

now that he hasn't enrolled, probably not since the NCAA likely will stop any investigation once Mudiay goes pro. Unless something happened during his recruitment (please God NO!), this is over.

my educated guess would be Under Armour/agents and as always, $$$. I find it odd that SMU is nike, and UA is the handler/shoe comapny here that is paying him to play in China (or wherever). My guess is the UA people made hiim a good offer bc they were worried he may find a new agent / company while in college (at a Nike school).

The skeptic in me wonders if this would happen if he chose Kentucky, UNC or Kansas.

(07-15-2014 10:38 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  The skeptic in me wonders if this would happen if he chose Kentucky, UNC or Kansas.

Ernes Kanter and Ben mclemore say high

(07-14-2014 02:13 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  I'm surprised we don't see this more often. I imagine a lot of the top recruits could sign a fairly lucrative one year contract overseas and play against higher-caliber competition for a year, and then go for the NBA.

The last American who tried it (Brandon Jennings) spoke of how bad it was. Plus you lose a lot of name value in terms of early endorsements. Plus even overseas, they would not make big money because it would be a one year contract for a teen playing against grown men. Much more than you make in the NCAA, but probably not enough to risk being out of sight out of mind.

(07-14-2014 03:20 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Mundiay should just do the Daunte Exum thing and sit out this year. He doesn't do anything for his draft stock really except hurt it going to pro leagues with 30 year old men that play a different style on top of that.

Dante Exum didn't sit out last year. H played pro ball in Australia.

(07-14-2014 06:29 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Just because a recruit ends up not enrolling at the school does not absolve the school from any improper behavior. I know. I've seen it 1st hand. Of the 11 recruits named in UCF's NCAA case as being involved in improper contact/benefits, only one actually enrolled at UCF, yet UCF got slammed.

It depends on who was accused of the improprieties. If it is SMU, then you are correct. If the are just saying he received benefits elsewhere, but don't connect them directly to SMU, then it is no harm, no foul.