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Just my 2 cents my top 4 in the shoe era in order

Logan Fortson Van Exel Sk
 
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(10-24-2014 08:13 AM)mikecat Wrote:  Just my 2 cents my top 4 in the shoe era in order

Logan Fortson Van Exel Sk

I don't understand how you cannot have Kenyon on that list. No Bearcat had a single seasons as good as Kenyon's 99-2000 season. Additionally he gave use 4 years (well 3.5). Van Exel was here for 2 years and was awesome. Neither of his 2 years was in the league of Kenyon's 4th where he was the consensus player of the year.

My List:

1. Kenyon- Best individual season, stayed 4 years. Great defensively from day 1, solid rebounder from day 1. Underrated scorer from early on as well. Became an amazing offensive player late in his career on top of the best defensive player in the country.

2. Logan- Another who gave us 4 years. Key player as a frosh. First guard off the bench on the best team of the Huggins era as a sophomore. Best player on the roster as a junior and first team all american as a senior. Scored more efficiently than SK, was a better passer, and I just thought was even more important to his team (hard considering how great and important SK was). Lead a pretty moderately talented UC team to a 1 seed in the tournament.

3. Fortson- Had the best Freshman- Junior stretch of any Bearcat in the Huggins era. I give the other two the advantage because they gave us amazing senior seasons. Had Fortson stayed 4 years he'd likely be #1 on the list. Best player on the glass I've seen at UC and the best post scorer I've watched play for UC. Probably just wasn't tall or athletic enough for that to translate to the NBA, but had a nice career none the less.

4. SK- Really good scorer throughout his career. I didn't think he was efficient enough for the amount of shots he took his junior year, but his senior year he found ways to get to the foul line which really improved his efficiency. He was asked to carry a huge scoring load and did it so well. Won a share of a conference title with a top flight Louisville team and the National Champion UConn team. Also in a comparison to Logan was a better defensive player by the end of his career. I'd be fine with any of these last 3 guys having their numbers retired.

3.
 
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(10-24-2014 06:36 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Which one of them scored 2,000 points?

You won't get any argument from me that Danny was a better player than SK and I have no idea why his number hasn't been retired but for whatever reason it hasn't been done. For my money Danny is by a good stretch the best player of the Shoemaker 5/3 era.

I'd take SK over Logan but can understand arguments for Lo. SK's character, as evidenced in the article, makes him an easy choice for me as far as a guy who's number I want hanging at 5/3.

There's more to basketball than scoring. The guard who shall remain nameless sits between Logan and Fortson on the all-time list. Anyone that claims he was anything close to great immediately gets laughed at by me.

Fortson and Logan were consensus 1st team AA's along with 2nd team honors in the prior year. Both won CUSA POY twice. I'd definitely give Kilpatrick consideration, but not before either of those two guys.
 
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(10-24-2014 09:51 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 06:36 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Which one of them scored 2,000 points?

You won't get any argument from me that Danny was a better player than SK and I have no idea why his number hasn't been retired but for whatever reason it hasn't been done. For my money Danny is by a good stretch the best player of the Shoemaker 5/3 era.

I'd take SK over Logan but can understand arguments for Lo. SK's character, as evidenced in the article, makes him an easy choice for me as far as a guy who's number I want hanging at 5/3.

There's more to basketball than scoring. The guard who shall remain nameless sits between Logan and Fortson on the all-time list. Anyone that claims he was anything close to great immediately gets laughed at by me.

Fortson and Logan were consensus 1st team AA's along with 2nd team honors in the prior year. Both won CUSA POY twice. I'd definitely give Kilpatrick consideration, but not before either of those two guys.

Great point.
 
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(10-24-2014 09:51 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  Both won CUSA POY twice. I'd definitely give Kilpatrick consideration, but not before either of those two guys.

SK played 3 years is the BE and last year in a conference with the last two national champions. Much more difficult to earn POY awards (although it was stolen from him last year).

And I certainly agree it's not all about scoring. SK much better defender than Lo. Lo had point guard ability (and played PG as a senior).
 
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(10-24-2014 10:09 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  SK played 3 years is the BE and last year in a conference with the last two national champions. Much more difficult to earn POY awards (although it was stolen from him last year).

Napier earned it over Smith and Kilpatrick in the regular season by a tiny bit and proved himself deserving in the tournament.
 
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(10-24-2014 10:20 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(10-24-2014 10:09 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  SK played 3 years is the BE and last year in a conference with the last two national champions. Much more difficult to earn POY awards (although it was stolen from him last year).

Napier earned it over Smith and Kilpatrick in the regular season by a tiny bit and proved himself deserving in the tournament.

I would have had no problem with any of those 3 winning it last year. Kilpatrick had a first team all american and conference player of the year caliber season. That said, whether he was in the Big East or not, Kilpatrick was not efficient enough as a junior to merit player of the year consideration. I think Logan had a much better Junior year than Kilpatrick and a slightly better senior year.
 
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Does being a genuinely nice person and appreciative of the university factor in to the decision? Thats up for some major debate
 
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They really need to find a way to honor UC greats that were not the national POY. Mayeb build Kenyon and Twyman statues so that they all have that and start hanging jerseys, I wouldn't necessarily retire the numbers though.
 
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Yes I am an Idiot

Kenyon #1 for sure Kmart logan fortson Nick and then SK

I love SK but just think the other players were better all around players!!!
 
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